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[edit] PNG Apple Screencaps

I just got a new MacBook, and I must know: how do I convert screencaps from JPEG to PNG without MS Paint? BBG 23:51, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

First you right-click.- 00:18, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
What program can I use to convert the picture? BBG 00:29, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
A screenshot (if that's what you mean) is usually taken in a PNG format (somehow I got my old PowerBook G4 to take TIFF screenshots, unfortunately I don't know how I did it), so I don't exactly get the "JPEG to PNG" part of it. But, here are your instructions:
1. Open up Preview (Found in /Applications/, or just access "Applications" in the Finder's sidebar.
2. File > Open and then choose your image. It may be a time saver to have the folder open with the image in it, so you can just drag it into the file selector. It may also be a good idea just to Preview into the Dock, so that you can just drag the file on the program's icon for it to open.
3. Go to File > Save As... and choose the file format you wish to save it in.
4. Ta Da!
It should be the Save As menu item that did it, but I don't remember. I haven't used my Mac in a long time due to a couple technical issues I'm not willing to fix yet. :P -- 00:48, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
What can I use to fill in the corners? BBG 02:18, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
You have a lot of different options. Probably the best cheap option would be Seashore, a simpler implementation of GIMP (a free version of Photoshop). wbwolf (t | ed) 02:46, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
I have a Mac, and what I do is just on the desktop file, change the name of the file so instead of "picture.png" it's "picture.jpeg." It's that easy! (Although for obvious reasons it won't work when changing more complex files). —Guard Duck talk 02:48, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
That doesn't change the file format... it just changes the extension... — Defender1031*Talk 02:52, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh. Yeah, I know next to nothing about all this stuff, so I should probably just shut up. —Guard Duck talk 03:00, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Protect the 8-Bit is Enough Logo

The header speaks for itself. BBG 16:01, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Done. Next time, you should contact a sysop via IRC for transitory requests like this. Thanks. — It's dot com 17:33, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Need for a "see" template?

Should we create a template for "See whatever"? It seems that I have done a lot of this recently. Would there be a need for it? -- 23:55, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

We already have such a template: Template:for. BBG 00:03, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
No, I mean just "See whatever" not "For the whatever, see thisever". -- 01:06, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Oh, it sounds like the thing we can just type ourselves. BBG 04:23, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
BBG, i think you're missing the point. He's talking about what appears here for example. — Defender1031*Talk 14:40, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm still not convinced a template is necessary. With all the curved brackets, a template might be slightly more work typing than necessary. BBG 15:59, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:''See [[X]]'' vs. {{see|X}}. Not a huge improvement, but potentially useful if it's used enough. How many instances that use this exact formatting are we talking about here? — It's dot com 16:10, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I think that it kinda defeats the purpose if the template just replaces braces with italics... — Defender1031*Talk 17:50, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I went ahead and made a template anyway. See {{see}}It's dot com 18:17, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I saw, and i don't think it really adds anything except server load. — Defender1031*Talk 18:26, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
That only comes into play when a page is being cached. The hundreds of signature templates we allow are far worse on the server, and so server load shouldn't be a consideration on whether we use this template. — It's dot com 18:42, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Did you at least get his main point that this is a pretty superfluous template? BBG 20:37, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Yes. That's why in a previous post I said, "Not a huge improvement, but potentially useful if it's used enough. How many instances that use this exact formatting are we talking about here?" — It's dot com 21:54, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Just to clarify, the server load thing was a minor joke. I wasn't seriously saying it was a consideration. — Defender1031*Talk 21:58, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Decemberween theme?

Is there not going to be a Decemberween theme here with the snowflakes and such? MHarrington 08:00, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] If there's nothing new on Monday...

Could we replace the 8-Bit is Enough Logo with the burninated Strong Badia picture? BBG 18:24, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

I haven't had a chance to play the game yet, and have been avoiding our articles on the subject. Thanks for spoiling that part for me. — It's dot com 19:18, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
It happens in like the first 5-10 minutes of the game.
yeah. BBG, not the best idea. not everyone on here has the game yet. HSB150Homsarstrongbad150Homestar Runner!! 13:05, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wrong FA for Week 53, 2008/Week 1, 2009

Due to the remainder week, it looks like FA rolled back to week 1, 2008 Nebulon, rather than the winter pool article. I've created a Week 53 alias, but could a sysop fix the error? wbwolf (t | ed) 02:33, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah... Technically, we're already in 2009 Week 1, even though we're still in 2008... so {{CURRENTWEEK}} is 1, but {{CURRENTYEAR}} is still 2008, since it is still 2008. I'll see what I can do to make it more accurate. phlip TC
There we go... looks like it's working now. phlip TC 03:08, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Spiffy solution there. Should the W53 alias now be deleted, since it's not needed? wbwolf (t | ed) 03:13, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Filter

Got another questionable page. Anybody have any idea what that's for? It redirects to run2x.

More mysterious and not-so-mysterious pages:

any ideas? TheThin 20:14, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
AC_RunActiveContent.js is a Javascript script that does... things... similar to what SwfObject and UFO do (embedding SWFs). The Brothers Chaps were probably going to use it, but they just use the <embed> tag. fuchsiania 00:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
the sign is already known. — Defender1031*Talk 00:12, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] SVGs

Why were SVGs disabled? I mean, is there anything wrong with SVGs? Because I was trying to upload this SVG that I wrote (my first SVG!) to replace Strong_Mad's_M.PNG. fuchsiania 01:25, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

It's not so much that we've disabled SVGs, more that we haven't bothered to enable them. Mostly because the large majority of the images we upload are screenshots of H*R cartoons... so, while an SVG would be good (the Flash toons are vector art too, after all), it takes considerably more effort, and is much more likely to be inaccurate, than just taking a screenshot and uploading it as a PNG. Making it an SVG would involve either tracing a screenshot in an SVG tool (lot of effort, likely to not quite match the original) or exporting an SVG from Flash (also a lot of effort, would require a decompiler and a working version of Flash, and I'm not even sure if Flash does have an export to SVG option). phlip TC 01:45, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Still, if people want to do it, it's their trouble to go to, as from the administrative side, it's as simple as modifying one line in PHP to allow them. In my opinion, it's worth giving people the option, as i can only see it helping the wiki. (I'd really like to see svg exports of the Quote of the Week Character Heads as the gallery stretches them and makes them appear distorted currently.) — Defender1031*Talk 01:51, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, to tell you the truth, I don't know why we need to use svgs. It may work for Wikipedia, but I wouldn't really relate us to them. JCM 02:05, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
This has nothing to do with wikipedia. I already stated that i can't imagine any harm coming from it, AND gave an example of somewhere it would do some GOOD... I think that's all we need. — Defender1031*Talk 02:31, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Sure, I have no problem with them being enabled... I just don't want to see them getting popular to the point that Average Joe Wiki User can't upload a screenshot of the new toon without SVGitising it first. As long as PNG is still the standard, it doesn't worry me. phlip TC 02:36, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Oh, and I think I might remember why SVG is disabled... before the server move we did a while ago, we were using a rather old version of ImageMagick... I remember some tweaks had to be made to MediaWiki to get it to work properly. I have a feeling that, because of its age, it couldn't handle SVGs, or reacted badly to them in some way... I'm not sure of the details though, it's been a while. phlip TC 02:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
I'll look into what it would take to enable SVGs the next time we upgrade (it's probably as simple as just enabling a variable). I would want any SVGs used in articles to have gone the decompiler route rather than the trace route. — It's dot com 03:15, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Funny. I've been thinking about the Wiki using SVGs the past couple of days, as I've been working on a couple SVGs, too. Over the holiday break I got XAMPP installed out of boredom. I set some things up, including MediaWiki, and it was easy to get SVG support running for me (which was today, actually). I decided to install Batik as the SVG rasterer instead of ImageMagick, since MediaWiki's documentation said that ImageMagick was the least accurate at making a raster, while Batik was the best. It only took a couple of steps, and a little confusion, but I get what happened now. But then again, I used a Vista for my installation, while the servers here runs Linux. Why was ImageMagick never upgraded? -- 22:44, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Hey

Hi everyone. Just joined the wiki. I probably wont be much help, but I'll do what I can. (Hope this is a fine spot, should have posted in The Stick) Kid2255 Talk

Hey Kid2255. Welcome! — It's dot com 17:02, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
wait, he just joined and already has a sig? it took me months to get mine. well, maybe i suck at wiki-ing and not him too smart. i'm kinda stupid, for those of you who noticed. MichaelXX2 does my sigs and other formatting i can't freaking figure out for the life of me. he's nice that way...usually. well, hi kid2255. HSB150Homsarstrongbad150Homestar Runner!! 20:03, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
I copied my sig from another wiki. Kid2255 Talk 00:10, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] main page glitch? or my computer sucking?

on the homestar site, the QOTW doesn't play/get and the fanstuff and sketchbook say things that they are not. for example: the cheat on a cell phone with a picture of a chainsaw car; undead sheep and plutis and bubs pics. is this me or the site? thanks, HSB150Homsarstrongbad150Homestar Runner!! 19:59, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, it's not just you (I have this issue too), but that doesn't necessarily mean it's the site either. --DorianGray 20:42, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
oh, so nobody has a clue now? well, i guess not. i also would've posted there if i saw it. HSB150Homsarstrongbad150Homestar Runner!! 21:34, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, my problem has been rectified with the most recent weeklies update (Jan 29, 2009). Do you still get problems? ColdReactive

[edit] Contents...

How do I add 'em? Do I just put multiple Headlines, or do I need some thing in there? Kid2255 Talk 23:29, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

__TOC__"Contents" like this? fuchsiania 23:45, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

How do I add my own pictures to my user page?---Record307

[edit] Extra </ul> and </li> closing tags?

Does anybody know why MediaWiki is generating unnecessary closing </ul> and </li> tags after lists? Because I'm noticing a lot of them in several pages. fuchsiania 03:58, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

It's always good to be as close as possible to XHTMLLoafing 04:47, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I know about XHTML and self-closing tags and all that stuff. What I mean was this: — fuchsiania 20:51, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Which page was that? Loafing 21:40, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Happy Hallow-Day. fuchsiania 03:56, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
If you suppress the TOC, the page validates fine. Other pages, like New Boots, also validate fine. Puzzling. — It's dot com 04:48, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Playing around, it looks like if the second-last heading has a subheading (as in the DVD Version section in Happy Hallow-Day), but the last heading doesn't, then it puts in the extra close tags. That may or may not be the only situation that it happens, but it seems to fit what I've seen so far... phlip TC 05:08, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] HRWiki has more than 2 problems?

This explains it: Image:More_than_2.JPG

Your highlighting is awesome, btw. That was probably the title I used when we had to take the wiki or somesuch down sometime, and it's just left over in your browser. — It's dot com 22:03, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
As a quick note, sarcasm isn't transferred well through text. By the way, what does btw stand for? — DiedInSaskatchewan
Bee tee double you, of course! JCM 22:23, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
It stands for "By The Way". — Defender1031*Talk 22:25, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
I think DiedInSaskatchewan was making a joke on sarcasm. Apparently, you proved his point. It doesn't translate well in text. - Opus the Penguin 22:30, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
dot dot dot. I didn't catch that he actually used "by the way" in his question... i read the meaning as a whole, not the words. — Defender1031*Talk 22:32, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
I actually wrote the line intending it to be read however you wanted to read it, because it works either way. On the one hand the highlighting is crazy, but on the other hand it's so crazy it's awesome. So if you're reading what I wrote as sarcastic, then that's because that's what you choose to see. — It's dot com 00:28, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, that isn't transferred well through text, either. - 00:44, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
I think my intent is actually transferred best through text. In another medium (speaking aloud, for example), my inflection would color how my words are perceived, but in plain text, it's easier to be ambiguous and allow the reader to draw his or her own interpretation, especially because the comment was tangential to the true point of the thread. — It's dot com 02:09, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Dot Com, you never cease to amaze me. You should win a Pulitzer or something. Good Prize! *ding* - Opus the Penguin 02:43, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Why no new stuff?

Does anybody know why there hasn't been any new stuff for like 3 weeks? It's really starting to bug me!! Stark Traurig 21:54, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

We don't know. Why don't you email TBC and ask them. — It's dot com 22:03, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I will, but I kinda doubt I'll get a reply.Stark Traurig 15:50, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
It looks like this is the longest it has ever taken for the first update of the year to be posted. The longest by far, actually. The Brothers Chaps must either be taking a really long break, or be working on something really big. Maybe the sbcg4ap bonus features. Omnisweater 12:11, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Last year's last toon was also one of the latest we've seen in years, so there you go. But the bottom line is: They'll be back when they're back, and until then, any further discussion of why they aren't yet is just speculation. Heimstern Läufer 12:23, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
What would become of the Homestar Wiki if they announced the cancellation of Homestar Runner? BBG 16:47, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm sure the wiki would remain here. — Defender1031*Talk 16:52, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Defender, that's speculation. Take it to the forum. - 16:54, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
DeFender wrote in the edit summaries that this is an alright place to discuss the potential end of the Wiki. I think if it stays, we should change the "what's new" box into a "Today in Homestar history..." box. BBG 16:57, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I was joking. That said, I think it's a little premature to discuss it at the level of detail you're suggesting. - 17:01, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay, maybe i didn't make myself clear. There is no point in discussing what will happen to the wiki. If they cancel homestar runner, we'll figure it out then. And when the sun goes nova in 4 billion years, we'll worry about that. And when the universe itself collapses in 30 trillion years, we'll probably all be dead already from the sun going nova. My point is, there's no indication that it's likely to happen soon, and no point worrying about it until it does. — Defender1031*Talk 17:03, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Besides, TBC have mentioned several times in interviews that they were insanely busy the last six months of 2008, between SBCG4AP, Limozeen gigs, and general updates to the site. I wouldn't be surprised they are taking an extended break to recharge. So keep your pants on, for reals. wbwolf (t | ed) 17:31, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
I still think that it is probably the end of H*R. Yes, the commentary for email thunder mentioned that it would be the last e-mail as opposed to the last toon, but in A Death-Defying Decemberween, Homestar was referred to as "" twice and tried to kill himself, thus hinting that it might be the last toon. Nothing like that happened any of the other times we thought the latest sbemail would be the last (flashback, alternate universe, etc.). 20:08, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
You guys all remind me of the following people: [1] [2] [3] [4] Please, stop it already. — Defender1031*Talk 20:21, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Yes, everyone knows that the end of Homestar is the end of the wiki. JCM 22:27, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Defender, you say that like it's a bad thing. Rorschach was one of those people, after all. - 00:12, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Who? — Defender1031*Talk 00:15, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, this guy, but if you haven't read watchmen you won't understand the reference. - 00:19, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Ha! I talked to you about him in person a few days ago! :D Elcool (talk)(contribs) 19:44, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

For the love of Bubs, pull yourself together. You're giving me deja vu, for this is not the first time the website has been quiet. Hands up who remembers the 35 day wait between portrait and highschool? Everyone claimed that the end of Homestar Runner was nigh and then what happened next? They started updating again, everyone was happy and felt a bit silly. Yet it seems the lesson has not been learnt, and that lesson is that "It ain't over until the Chap Brother sings." Homestar Runner is more than likely to return eventually. In fact, it's actually only been 31 days since A Death-Defying Decemberween so the wait has been shorter so far. TBC are taking a break, and if you're getting so worked up about it, then maybe so should you. – The Chort 19:57, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Not to mention that there's one thing that doesn't make sense at all. In The Brothers Chaps' Georgia Tech appearance, they state that do Homestar Runner for a living, as a hobby and as a job. Now, I realize that much has happened since then, with SBCG4AP and all and chances are The Brothers Chaps got a good deal of that share, but that contradicts what Mike said to one question "... [they're not trying] to let any financial things influence what [they] do. ...". Not to mention they have two kids to take care of. Sure, Homestar tried to kill himself, but that's just coincidence since lately a bit more violence has been depicted in the toons, at least in my opinion. There's a good chance we're all just being superstitious here. -- 22:05, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
There's a difference between "I, Homestar Runner, will attempt to sled down the Steep Deep!" and "I,, will attempt to sled down the Steep Deep!". Guess what TBC used? The latter. was a joke. You see, Homestar is supposed to be stupid. Omnisweater 06:14, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
If he had called himself "Duckie Shirt" or "Homerun Hitter" or something, I'd accept that as him being stupid, but ""...Well, it might still have been him being stupid, but he might have hinted at the end of the site too. Plus, it's only three more days until the wait is longer than between portrait and highschool (at least in my time zone it is). 01:58, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Guess what? I was right all along. Also, the hiatus was only 35 days long, the same length of time as in late 2005. Now don't you feel happy and a bit silly?– The Chort 10:47, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Main Page Picture

You know, we've had that Death Defying Decemberween picture up for quite a while you think we could change it to a screenshot of the newest "Behind the Bad"? It is newer, after all. Omnisweater 18:48, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I was thinking the same thing. User:WeirdAl 12:44, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Good idea. Done. --DorianGray 12:48, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] I just had the scariest thought!

What if there will be no more Homestar runner? What if The Brothers Chaps are quitting? Lets look at the facts (Not the email):

  • They said that email thunder was the last email in the DVD commentary
  • There have been no updates for over 3 weeks
  • They're done with SBCG4AP
  • They finally made Dangeresque 3
  • And there have been no new products for a while

What do you guys think? --Homestar tiger HRFWiki

I think you should go to the forum. BBG 20:06, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Please read my post from yesterday. – The Chort 20:12, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
What's made this more likely, however, is the commentary for email thunder. It IS rather ominous that the email DVDs caught up with the emails themselves. This isn't bad, I like it, and I'm certain it would have happened sooner or later.
Regarding this TOPIC, discussion of possibility of the continuation of H* needs to be restricted to the forum and not discussed on the talks of the wiki. That's reserved for specific talks of the articles to which they are attached. —NFITC1talk 01:59, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Question

How many people have used H*R? Ahhhlehhh 04:24, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

A lot.--Record307 08:45, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
But how many in numbers? Ahhhlehhh 01:08, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Uh, define "used". --Color Printer 01:31, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Okay. How many people, in numbers, have used at least one feature on the site (Not counting those who used it for like a split-second)? Ahhhlehhh 02:10, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
No one really can tell you that except The Chapman Brothers. Let's ask them, shall we? MichaelXX2 mail_icon.gif link_icon.gif 02:11, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Even they might not know, since they apparently don't keep track of that stuff... phlip TC 02:15, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] International Welcome added to main page

I know this subject has been brought up a couple times in the past, but a consensus was, as far as I know, never reached so I'd like to revisit it. The welcomebox template has been sitting around collecting dust for a while, and I think it deserves a spot on the main page. Perhaps this or this? I think it's definitely important in conveying the international sense that the wiki and the HSR website have. A total main page redesign would be superfluous, in my opinion, as it already looks great as it is (Although I do like the looks of this one). Any other thoughts? —Guard Duck talk 05:40, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm partial to the one with it at the bottom of the page rather than the top. Either way, I don't think the box should be above the "Welcome to the Homestar Runner Wiki" part of the page. --DorianGray 05:45, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
The problem is that if I try putting it below the main menu links, like this, it causes a shift to the right for the featured article and what's new? boxes that I'm not sure how to fix. —Guard Duck talk 00:43, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
The table is like that because of the floating sub image... add a {{clear}} between the welcome box and the table, and it looks fine. phlip TC 21:23, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestive Themes Reoccurring?

I know this may not be the best thing to bring up, but is it just me or is the Homestar Runner Universe starting to have a couple suggestive themes pop-up lately? We have SBCG4AP Episode 1 with something I'm not too sure of. I'm unsure of this, and sure, the response articles are all stubs, but I haven't played it in a while so I don't remember this that clearly, but I think I remember prank calling Marzipan and getting a "Maybe I can touch Marzipan through the phone. Ewwww." from Strong Bad. It did get the ESRB Teen sub rating for "Mild Suggestive Themes", so my thought makes a little sense sense. Okay, enough run-on on that. Then we have your edge with the "shenanigan-ing [The Cheat and Strong Bad] in the dark". And now we have Bubs saying "All right, young lovers! Knock it off back there!" after the thump from Homestar and Strong Sad running into each other in Hremail 62. Not to mention we have Thorax, it is probably the most prominent in all of this. Should we start considering this as a running gag or take note of this in some way? -- 19:21, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I think it's just a coincidence, or you're just being paranoid. TBC have done some things that can be considered "Suggestive"(making out, 1st, 2nd and quite possibly even 3rd base), but I don't think it should be noted. Stark Traurig 20:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
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