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[edit] Questions

Okay. Rejects only has like 3 things to go in it, so does it get its own page? Also, in the "Who?" section, there are a whole lot of "characters", so that would get its own page....right? -- AgentSeethroo 15:18, 16 Aug 2004 (MST)

Hmm. I'm looking at the page now... Yeah, I don't know. I don't think they need their own page if we are going to have the Cheat Commandos on this page too. I know there's those bands there too. We might want to do something with them. Or at least adjust the section heading level. And it sure seems like there's a lot on this page. I think furrykef has something in mind though. Whatcha up to, Kef? -- Tom 15:48, 16 Aug 2004 (MST)

I don't really have anything in mind. I just wanted to get the stuff indexed to make it easier to tell what's missing. - furrykef 09:14, 17 Aug 2004 (MST)

Arg. Okay...personally, I like the smallerer pages. They're less...big...and ugly. I dunno may look too sparse if we split up the thing into lotsa pages... -- AgentSeethroo 10:15, 17 Aug 2004 (MST)

I think the rejects page was a good idea for all those "grey-area" characters places and things. But it seems to have been destroyed. What happened to it, and how was that decided upon? --Ogog

Oops. Please note that this conversation happened last August. Currently there are no more rejects. This was "decided upon" mostly here. -- Tom 19:38, 18 Jan 2005 (MST)

[edit] Pom Pom link

Can I fix that Pom Pom link? it's buggin' the snot outta me. -- AgentSeethroo 16:02, 19 Aug 2004 (MST)

Yeah, go ahead, I don't know what was going on there. -- Tom 16:20, 19 Aug 2004 (MST)

[edit] Character page official format

We need to come up with one. There's a lot of variation between the several character pages. I haven't followed the format for the few I did recently, simply because I couldn't see what the format should've been. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 10:17, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

The format on Strong Bad and Homestar Runner seems fine to me. But I think we should limit each character page to one picture. -- InterruptorJones 10:47, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)
I kinda wanna just nuke the galleries, too. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 10:49, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)
You'll hear no complaints from me. -- InterruptorJones 10:53, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

I want to know what happened to the halloween costume lists :) On the old wiki, each character had listed what they dressed up as each year for halloween.. It's been five years and TBC do not appear daunted in their love to painstakingly dress up the characters every year. Should the costume lists be added back on, nearby the 'aka' lists? MetaStar 02:11, 31 Oct 2004 (MST)

As a followup, even the halloween toon pages lack a breakdown of who dressed up as what. If noone else feels up to it, let me know it's allowed and I'll add tasteful lists both to the characters' pages and the 'ween pages. MetaStar 02:14, 31 Oct 2004 (MST)

[edit] Stickly Man

Please discuss in Talk:Stickly Man before editing Stickly Man's status as the 20x6 Poopsmith.

[edit] Brief descriptions?

I've added brief descriptions to the computers, similar to the links in the AKA section to the real characters represented by the 20x6 and 1936 crew. Are the brief descriptions of the computer appropriate on this page, adding to the usefulness of the information; or should we be trying to keep the size and scope of index pages to a minimum? Render

[edit] Character Heights

In the facts Strong Bad's computer analysis reveals that Strong Mad is 88 inches tall and 88 inches wide. Actually he's about 7.25% taller than he is wide. Anyway, I did a height comparison for all the characters based on Strong Mad's height being 88 inches, using The House That Gave Sucky Treats as a reference. Here's what I got:

Strong Mad7'4"
The Cheat3'0"
King of Town5'0"
Coach Z6'6"
Pom Pom7'7"
Strong Bad5'5"
Strong Sad6'6"

Anyway the numbers were a little disappointing, as Strong Bad was indicated to be less than 4'0" tall in Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon, so I wasn't really sure if there was any way to incorporate this information into the site. I might run the numbers again using Strong Bad's height as 4'0" and see what I get.

Interesting calculations. I've dabbled in the height thing a bit myself. Check out the forum post. Of course, I think it would be rather difficult to come up with anything definite. -- Tom 20:07, 30 Sep 2004 (MST)
Another reference point for the character heights is that The Cheat is 1'2", as revealed in Where's The Cheat? --Paliosun 18:51, 17 Oct 2004 (MST)
Don't forget that Pom Pom's ID says he is 6'2"
The Cheat (sort of) puts Strong Mad as 6' in 'i she be'.
Dude, you have way to much free time. Get a hobby.
Nah, kudos go out to whoever did this -BazookaJoe 03:46, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)
This is his hobby.
Awesome job, but why wasn't Bubs done as well? TheTylor 21:57, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
You forgot Bubs :( -- 11:34, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Where my ideas reallly that bad?

What's wrong the Different Town and Virus sections?

Simply put, they were all only seen once. --thatkidsam 18:43, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

LOL we have a section for the Folky Tale characters, and they were seen only once. Isn't that a double standard? --NERD42  email  talk   h²g²  pedia  uncyc  14:49, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
The ones for folky Tale are new characters. Virused and others alike are vriations and appear on Minor Character Variations. Elcool (talk)(contribs) 17:09, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Character Evolution

Shouldn't there be a link to each character's Evolution on their character page? Seems like it should go in the bar at the bottom, but I don't know how to put it there. --Pianoplayerontheroof

[edit] Links in header lines

In my opinion, linking header lines is more convenient and less awkward than "Something is something something". --Trogga 16:07, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

[edit] The Guys You Don't See Anymore

There are alot of old, un-named "characters" that have a one paragraph pages just for them. Can we just make a full, long page about all of those? they are Unnamed Girl, Homeschool Winner, The Unguraits, Dijjery-Doo, The Robot (storybook), the guys in the back of the arena and maybe Mr. Bland and Señor (as they appeared in flashback). We did it for Teen Girl Squad and The King of Town... E.L. Cool 12:21, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Can someone please replay?? E.L. Cool 05:57, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I agree, unnamed characters it is! User:Stongbah
So I'm on it! E.L. Cool 16:13, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Galleries

Would it be feasable to add small 'gallary format' pictures beside some of the character categories, as seen on such pages as Toilets and The Cheat's Head Exploding? It might help in the quest to clean up this page a bit. Thunderbird 22:39, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)

I tried it out on the Main Characters, and it seems the only problem might be people clicking on the pictures trying to reach the articles. Should we revert it and try something else, or do the same to the rest of the page? I'm voting for the latter. Thunderbird 22:48, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)
I think that looks fine. Is there a way to make the pictures link to a page, or is that the only way? But I really think it looks fine, I think if all of the other ones are like that, it would look alot cleaner--minibaseball.png Bkmlb(talk to me·stuff I did) 22:52, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Me too, but I'm curious about the picture link. Does anyone know if it's possible to link to the page instead? Thunderbird 22:53, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)
There's a way to link the pictures, but there's a lot of coding involved. I'm sure given time I could get it done if you want. small_logo.pngUsername-talk 22:54, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)
That would be excellent, or at least do the first one as a sample, and I'm sure somebody could copy the format for the rest. Then in that case, the only downside to the gallaries, would be this page is gonna get a bit longer. But all in all I think it's an improvement. Thunderbird 22:57, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)
After some frustration and trial and error, I have found that the gallery format does not allow linking of images to separate pages. This project would ionvolve uploading many new images and and placing them manually where they belong. Myself being unable to work with images very well, I regret to inform you that my task cannot be completed as expected. Sorry. small_logo.pngUsername-talk 23:09, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)
That's okay, I think this will still work well. Thanks for the attempt. Thunderbird 23:21, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)

I think the new gallery format looks outstanding! I reorganized the order just a bit, placing all the characters of the "real" universe before those in the "invented" universes (e.g. TGS and Cheat Commandos). Also, the Chaps have stated that Senor Cardgage is a real and separate character now, not just an alternate version of Strong Bad. Last, I moved bands and companies to a groups section, because they seemed to be taking up a lot of space without actually being characters. — It's dot com 05:40, 4 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Well, it look nice and all, but... I feel like a little child, you know? Not knowing how to read so I have to use pretty pictures to find out where I want to go. I think it made the page cluttered up and take longer to scroll. I don't hate it, but I'm not vary fond of it neither. Elcool (talk)(contribs) 08:38, 4 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Well it can be interpreted that way, yes. But we still have to think of the anonys, those that come to learn a bit here and there. They might not all know all the names, that could be why they're here in the first place. Plus it's alot faster to find a certain character, you just scroll down quickly and watch for a glimpse of the guy you're looking for. The worst thing is that the pictures don't link to the articles. I'm thinking maybe if somebody goes through all the pictures, and insures that the summary includes a bolded link to the main article, this'll probably be a good thing. Thunderbird 11:05, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)
You'r right. For all the new ones it's all good. And tomorow after school maybe I'll start working on those links. I like gnoming :) Elcool (talk)(contribs) 19:30, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Half of the links are done. And you know what? I've take it to myself to caption correctly every freacking picture in the wiki! It would be long, it would be hard and maybe I'll need some help. but I can do it! Elcool (talk)(contribs) 04:03, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Why? What gain would that get us? Most of the captions are fine, thanks. --Shadow Hog 04:12, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
I think it's a good idea. It'll allow us to search pictures more easily. Rock rock on. Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 07:15, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Anybody else think TMBG need a different picture? Like, one that at least shows their entire faces? — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 06:44, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Speaking of the galleries, I think that the 1936/2006/20X6 counterparts should be arranged in the same way, like having first the Homestar of the era, then the Strong Bad, then the The Cheat, and so on, especially for 1936, since all of the main characters but Homsar have counterparts there. 20X6 might be a bit difficult, at least until we find out whether or not 20X6 Coach Z and the Shadowy Figure are one in the same. TTE 20:23, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Folk Tale World

Should we really have all those Folk Tale World characters here? All of them except Saddy Dumpington link to the same page. We can move Saddy Dumpington to Other Alternates and the Folk Tale World page to Related Pages. -Lotionman 01:30, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)Lotionman

Having the other characters fills out the section. Most of the secions are about 9–12 pictures big, and so even with all the Folk Tale World characters, this one's size is about par for the course. The point of all these galleries is to showcase all the various worlds and characters. The only reason we group things like minor Teen Girl Squad characters into one picture is that there's so many of them it would be ridiculous to try and show them all on this page. Also, even though the links for the Folk Tale characters mostly point to the same page, they don't all point to the same spot on that page. — It's dot com 05:40, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Little Girl Location

I moved her from Misc. Characters to Site Contributers, along with Missy and Ryan. I think she fits in better there. Thunderbird 06:58, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Good move, looks much better there. -- Tom 07:59, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Contributors

Is it appropriate for the Contributors to be in the characters page? Since they themselves are not necessarily characters (unless they were part of the Peasant's quest trailer, or Limozeen, in which case they should be referred to by their character names, not their real names). I think this section deserves its own page. --Stux 15:39, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

P.S. who is Ruby Red Productions? It is listed as a contributor. --Stux 15:40, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

In a few days I want to be create a Contributors page and take aforementioned section there, and then link it from the Related Pages subsection.--Stux 16:14, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Minor Alternate Versions?

I'm wondering if some of the characters showing up in Other Alternates should instead in be in Minor Alternate Versions? With the exception of Strong Bad's made-up animals, I think virtually all of these qualify as Minor Alternates. Anyone else agree? — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 21:00, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Staff Characters

Listing Mike and Matt Chapman in the same page as Homestar and Strong Bad is... odd. They're staff, not actual H*R characters like the rest of 'em. Shouldn't real people who help H*R be listed on their own page? They aren't really "characters." - Joshua 22:53, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, that is odd. But note that "Real Bands" is there too, along with Real Companies. Maybe the page title is no longer accurate? —AbdiViklas 23:12, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
I mentioned the same thing a few comments above in the Contributors section. --Stux 23:32, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
Yes, but no one seemed to notice it, unfortunately. Anyway, we don't need to change this page's name; just move the contributers to the Contributors page Stux menionted earlier. - Joshua
I'm guessing this sounds like some sort of consensus... --Stux 00:53, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
Okay! it's been moved! Feel free to check it out! No, seriously, feel free to check it out! I didn't modify it much, just pasted it in there, added categories, and spruced up header a bit. Oh and I inserted a rather lackluster introduction to the page. --Stux 01:12, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Brothers Strong

The Brothers Strong Entry in the Organizations page has no link... this should link to something, where does it mention the Brothers Strong as being an origanization? Where's the picture from? (The picture links to caper, it says that's where it's from, but that is all) --Stux 03:46, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] See Gee En Buisness

In reply to Stux, maybe CGNU hasn't been in "Fictional Companies" before now because educational institutions aren't companies (certainly not public ones). I'm not sure it should be taken off, though.

Techincally... I think that yes they are companies... private universities are likely 501(c)3's (non-profit, is that the right #?) and public universities are usually considered independent governmental organizations in and of themselves... so I think they can be considered "companies"... ? (Universities can hold patents, make money, get sued, and can even have bad customer service!) --Stux 05:23, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
Hehe... you don't have to tell me about that last one! —AbdiViklas 05:43, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] romans

can someone please upload a picture of the "romans" from the sbemail "highschool"?

[edit] Bear-Shark

Do we really need two bear-shark/"Bear holding a Shark" links on this page? Which one should stay? —NFITC1talk 06:42, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I SWARE I saw BearShark on Space Ghost Coast to Coast.

[edit] Separate characters and character videos

I think that the Character Video should be on their own pages, not on the same page as their character. Thoughts? Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 22:27, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

I dunno. The videos don't really take up that much space, and they are descriptive of each character. Why make people have to click through? — It's dot com 22:30, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Because they're really different objects, one is a toon and one is a character. It just bothers me. Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 16:57, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

I would like to open this back up, mainly because I just saw the Marzipan article recieve the "Toons with Dialogue Alternatives" category. Characters should not go in toon categories, but that's the only way we can do this now. I still don't understand why we have character videos on character pages. Every single other video and snippet of flash on H*R gets a separate page except the character videos. I mean, if click-through was a problem we'd have all the Decemberween in July shorts on one page, for example. Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 18:42, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I would be okay with all the character video transcripts being on a single page, but I don't think they should each have a separate page if they're taken off of the characters' articles. Trey56 19:41, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Why shouldn't they each have a separate page? We certainly have shorter and more useless pages than a character video transcript. Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 21:06, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
To my mind, they're all part of the same feature: HR:characters2.html. Also, I guess if you're reading the transcript for one, you might be wanting to reading the transcript for some of the other ones, and this makes that easier.
However, I do see the advantage of each having its own page: it's easier to use {{Film}} for each of the characters' filmographies. And, if we use some navigation templates, it won't be hard to find the other ones.
Either way, the more I think about it, I feel that it would be good to take the transcripts off the characters' main articles. I remember the first time I was trying to find one: it took me a while, and when I found it I was a little confused about why it was on there. We can still put prominent links on those pages to the separate article(s) for the character videos, and it might make the transcripts easier to find. Trey56 21:15, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm surprised action hasn't been taken on this. Would there be objections to me (or anyone) starting to make individual character pages later on? --TimMierz 19:56, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Well there is Character Video Transcripts and ongoing discussion about it there. 20:16, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Template

I barely notice the "DOmicile: House" "Debut: Debut". So, here's an idea for a template for all main characters:

Domicile [[{{{domicile}}}]]
Debut [[{{{debut}}}]]
[[:Category:{{{character_name}}} Filmography|Complete Filmography]]

Yes, it was tekn from Template:Infobox Band. Here's an example of {{Template name|character_name=Homestar Runner|domicile=Homestar's House|debut=Original Book|"The Homestar Runner Enters The Strongest Man in the World Contest"}}

Homestar Runner
Domicile Homestar's House
Debut "The Homestar Runner Enters The Strongest Man in the World Contest"
Complete Filmography

Just an idea. Bluebry 02:37, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

I like it. Anymore info we could throw in? Elcool (talk)(contribs) 11:25, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps you could just use {{PAGENAME}} for the character name? Mr. Shmallow (character) is the only page this wouldn't work... though what would you do for characters that don't have a domocile? Oh, and your example wouldn't work... the | in the debut link will make all the stuff after it get ignored by the templating thing. --phlip TC 11:41, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
This looks pretty cool. I, for one, welcome our new template overlords. Has Matt? (talk) 12:10, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks everyone! And, Phlip? This is just for m,ain characters, as they have the Domiclile: things. Wait, Homsar doesn't. See the revised template below.
Domicile {{{domicile}}}
Debut [[{{{debut}}}]]
[[:Category:{{{PAGENAME}}} Filmography|Complete Filmography]]
That way we can say None if needed. Oh, and your probably right about the | , but it's in a link, and it's in these tables a lot, so it actually would work. That and it works on the example. Bluebry 00:46, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Teenage variations, etc.

Everything else is split so we can see the individual characters; teenage, middle school, and Free Petry Dish should be too. The amount of time it takes the page to load is negligible after it's already loaded over 220 images. — It's dot com 15:58, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I like the compromised version of the sub-headers. Should I upload seperate images of the babies? Elcool (talk)(contribs) 17:39, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
We already have the baby pics for Strong Bad, Strong Sad, Coach Z and the Diapersmith. I don't remember if we have one for Pom Pom, though. — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 21:45, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Yep, we do. Just refer to the character pages for Strong Bad, Strong Sad, Coach Z, The Poopsmith and Pom Pom. :) — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 21:47, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Created Worlds vs. Fictional Fictional Characters

In my opinion, "Fictional Fictional Characters" is a better name for the Teen Girl Squad, the Cheat Commandos, the Sweet Cuppin' Cakes gang etc. than "Created Worlds", because:

-- 01:18, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Strong Badian Pseudocharacters

I think that the Strong Badia characters should be a subsection of Pseudocharacters. Anyone agree? Trey56 15:44, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

You may have a point. They do seeem to fit.Geshmalder 16:00, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Done'd Trey56 17:07, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
What about the bundt cake pan? -Dutchscout 00:29, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the Bundt Cake Pan only ever had one appearance, and never did anything particularly pseudocharacter-y in its brief time onscreen. --DorianGray 04:18, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Also which what?

I really think our "Also known as" section in Character pages could do with a rename. Not only is it misleading (people try to add Nicknames to the sections all the frikking time), but it's not exactly accurate (I don't think Pom Pom would respond well if he was called Fat Dudley). Perhaps "Alternate forms" or "Variants"? --Jay (Talk) 22:22, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Either of those would be a good alternate title. --DorianGray
I say we rename it "Character Variations", like the category. --Trogga 22:39, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
That's a good idea. I like that. --DorianGray

[edit] The decemberween decorations

Should the Decemberween decoration versions of the characters from decemberween short shorts be an alternate?

[edit] Undead Strong Bad

I believe that Strong Bad as a zombie should be included in this page as an Other Alternate. Any comments? ——Supuhstar* Image:Supuhstar(SupuhSmall).gif

Actually it all depends on what will come of The Zombie Uprising of 2046. Elcool (talk)(contribs) 13:07, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestion for Homsar & Senor

Senor shows up too much to be misco & Homsar shows up too little to be main. Both should be secondary & the kings lackies should be misco; though they have been showing up more & more lately, but not as often as Senor or Homsar. Of course all of them could be listed as "Frequent Guest." ^_^

Homsar is widely considered to be one of the "core 12", as his presence is usually in an Easter egg. Senor Cardgage, on the other hand, rarely interacts with the others, and does not have his own character page. --DorianGray 07:33, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chart

If anyone has the time & will, I'd love to see a chart of character vs year on appearences. For instance, the graph would show Strong Bad skyrocketing ujp the graph while Pom Pom slowly plunges & goes slightly up again. It would be based on appearences in both emails & toons. Last year, I was almost positive Pom Pom was going to vanish like all the king's men, but then they started showing up again while popular characters like Teen Girl Squad & Cheat Commandos are making a small decline.

[edit] Minor Characters?

Moved from: Talk:Tentacle Skull#Minor Characters

Resume discussion! --DorianGray 00:01, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I think we should make a Minor Characters page and put any character with only one appearance there. Who's with me? — Defender1031*Talk 23:47, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I think... that would be the longest page ever. --DorianGray 23:48, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Why? — Defender1031*Talk 23:49, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
It couldn't be any longer than this page.--Antisexy 23:54, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Actually, it would, because it would have to have more detail and description of each character. --DorianGray 23:55, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
But it wouldn't have all of those, just the minor ones. — Defender1031*Talk 23:57, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
For the real people like Don Knotts, all it would need is a link to the appropriate Wikipedia article.--Antisexy 00:00, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Dorian, why don't we try it and cut it into smaller pages and categories if need be? — Defender1031*Talk 00:04, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Like "Real people that appear in the H*R Universe," "Minor characters with only one appearance," and "minor characters" that that have more than one appearance but really REALLY don't need their own page.--Antisexy 00:16, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Actually, ali and ali's sister should, as they've become a running joke and have 3 appearances, but the rest of what you said is good. — Defender1031*Talk 00:18, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm with you like no otha, brotha!--Antisexy 23:49, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Wait, didn't we decide not to merge most pages? --Trogga 00:25, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
That discussion was while ago, though. Lemme go dig it up.
LATER: Here's the ol' discussion. Just for reference. --DorianGray 00:30, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, otherwise, we keep ending up with more and more and more pages with just two or three sentences directly quoted from the "references" section of some toon and a link to a Wikipedia article. It's just unsightly.--Antisexy 00:30, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] where be poppy?

poppy the tire isn't in the mascots section? we have the stop sign... mistake or purposeful?

By clicking Mount RidesPlace USA Mascots you get to see all three mascots, but still, I do think all three deserve a place on the characters page. OptimisticFool 19:54, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Senor Cardgage a main character?

He should be.Physicsguymonsterman 13:06, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't have a character video or appear in Halloween toons. Therefore, not main. --DorianGray 20:28, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] English

What the heck is wrong with the English on this website? It's awful. I can't understand anything.

I don't see anything wrong. Perhaps you have a virus that activated on your computer today? --Jay (Talk) 18:37, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Petry Dish vs. Petri Dish

Does anybody know where the spelling of "Petry Dish" came from? From what I remember in high school/college chemistry, it's proper spelling was "petri" dish. I think someone should change this...

It was (mis)spelled "Petry" in the cartoon, therefore that's the "official" spelling that we use. --DorianGray 20:21, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New Bad Guy Girl Character

Should she go in Blue Laser, or in other characters? And where would the Guy Who Does The Bad Guy's Voice go? Shadoman 16:08, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

And where is A. Chimendez? You have Crack Stuntman and Guy Who Does The Bad Guy's Voice, but not Chimendez.

[edit] A. Chimendez

Seeing as he has a page about him, A. Chimendez should really have his own character link and image on this Characters page, in the same vein as Crack Stuntman does.

[edit] Blubb-o's mascot

Shouldn’t Coach Z in his Dive-thru whale costume be in mascots? If not the drive through whale is a mascot not just a pseudocharacter. Please explain how you define the category of characters if they belong in more than one category.

[edit] Fav main character?

Headline speaks for self. My fav is Homsar, AKA "The captain of the gravy train." AKA "Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

This is a great kind of thing to ask on the forum. Why not take it there? — Defender1031*Talk 17:51, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] New Character images?

I know it's probably uneeded, but I always thought that for the character pages, at least those of the main 12, we should have images of just the characters, without any of the background in it. If so, the images would look something like the ones found here: [1]. What do you guys think? TheTylor 03:37, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I think that link is broken. — Defender1031*Talk 03:39, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Hopefully fix'd. Try again. TheTylor 20:29, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Updated with more pictures and categories. No one wants to say whether they think this will be a good idea or not? I'd rather talk about it before I try to change anything. TheTylor 17:39, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Not a bad idea, I think the grid of images would look nice that way. Before uploading those though, some of them could benefit from just a little bit of refinement. The Poopsmith and the KoT images both have some semi-transparent pixels of background still visible in places, and the cut-out of KoT is pretty rough along his back. Sorry to be nit-picky, good work on them ;) — 18:04, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay well, I waited awhile in case someone thought this was a bad idea, but nobody seemed to want to comment on it, so I went ahead and uploaded the main 12 character images with transparent backgrounds. If someone objects, they can just revert the images. If they aren't reverted within a couple of days, I'm just gunna go ahead and work on more of the secondary and minor characters. If anyone wants to help, feel free. I've uploaded everyone I've done so far onto that photo bucket account. TheTylor 02:40, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Favorite Characters?

Hey everypeoples! Just wonderin', would you mind telling me your favorite character? Thank ya so nice! Fingerface 00:01, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Why don't you ask that kind of thing on the forum, you could get a wider response??? Not that many people look at this talk page to awnser that.--Smartkidhen 19:39, 3 June 2009 (UTC)smartkidhen


In the Other Alternates section, wouldn't it just be easier to list all the names and pictures of the made up animals instead of that one picture and the link to the made up animals page???????? I added Sterrance to the list, but I can take him off if you guys want.--Smartkidhen 19:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)smartkidhen

Well, by a purely simplistic standpoint, listing one is easier than listing a bunch. --DorianGray 20:24, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] 'Wil Characters

Okay, this may seem weird, but should we put pictures of the younger ones on their pages? Like, Lil SB on SB's page, Teen Mad on SM's page, Lil Coach Z. Sort of. Catch my drift?!

[edit] Ready for Primetime

According to these two edits, Strong Mad's name doesn't belong adjacent to Ready for Primetime in that spot. Apparently we've decided against it. However, I can find no proof that this has been decided against (i'm probably not looking hard enough), and I believe that Strong Mad's name certainly belongs there. In order to prevent a further edit war, I would like to either see evidence to back up Jay's claim, or to open discussion on whether or not Strong Mad's name belongs there. And maybe both; seeing evidence isn't going to change my mind. The Knights Who Say Ni 20:21, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Because Ready for Primetime is his own body. He's a self-sustaining character like Homestar or Eh! Steve!. MichaelXX2 mail_icon.gif link_icon.gif 22:08, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
no he's not. he's Strong Mad's head. If Strong Bad's name belongs beside Keyboard Strong Bad since he's based on Strong Bad, then Strong Mad's name belongs beside Ready for Primetime since he's based on Strong Mad. oh, and the evidence was probably more important in my earlier post than the discussion part. The Knights Who Say Ni 00:03, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Frankly, I think you have it backward. I don't think we should have the "(Strong Bad)" next to Keyboard Strong Bad. We put them next to the alternate characters (Old-Timey and 20X6 and so forth), but I don't think they belong in other portions of the page. Now then, Ready for Primetime has Strong Mad's face, but it's not meant to be a counterpart to Strong Mad; after all, where's Homestar's counterpart? And exactly which character does Eh! Steve represent? --Jay (Talk) 04:55, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
There's nothing to suggest that all the characters need variations. Strong Bad was making it up as he went, and he found a way for himself to fit in to the crazy cartoon, and later on, for Strong Mad to fit in. So, based on what I've said so far, would you predict that I think The Wheelchair should have (Bubs) next to it, or not? i'm closer to being swayed than i was this afternoon, but there still hasn't been any evidence provided to strengthen the edit summary in the first link i posted. anyway, what exactly does the name in parentheses mean? I might have that wiki terminology incorrect. The Knights Who Say Ni 06:12, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Then we should take the parenthetical away from keyboard head strongbad. 21:07, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

[edit] userboxes

Do you think there should be userboxes on all the characters' (including TBC) pages (except "This user" would be replaced with the character's name)? Just a suggestion. -- Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 23:44, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

An interesting idea in theory, but I don't think it would work at all. MichaelXX2 mail_icon.gif link_icon.gif 00:10, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Maybe mock up an example. — It's dot com 03:01, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
ok how about JUST on tbc's pages? -- Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 22:23, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps draw it up in the sandbox so you can show us what your idea is. The Knights Who Say Ni 23:59, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Not Charactors!

Why on earth does bands and companies on a CHARACTERS page? they are not characters and they cramp up the page! Should they have onother page? --that guy who is Jfiles 12:37, 21 June 2011 (UTC) June 2011

I believe if any of the characters have contact with the bands/ characters in question, Like, Sloshy, for instance, they are characters. And they are also characters is they simply appear in cartoons and SBemails more then 2 or 3 times. Jibblejibblejibble

[edit] F. Sack

Souldn't we put the F. Sack from Flash is dead under inanimate objects? — (Talk | contribs) 20:25, 5 August 2015 (UTC) (left unsigned)

I'll add him in. - Catjaz63 20:34, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

[edit] A good idea

I thought of a pretty good idea to help Homestar Runner fans' knowledge get better. Maybe we should add the first time a main character spoke in a cartoon. If you don't like that idea, never mind. I thought it would help people's knowledge. After all, this IS a knowledge base.-- 18:33, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

What are some notable times that this is different from their first appearance? Besides the Poopsmith (which of course we note), none spring to mind. — It's dot com 23:16, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
Didn't bubs and the KOT appear in a background somewhere before actually becoming main characters? I also seem to recall marzipan not originally having a voice... — Defender1031*Talk 23:45, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
Who cares about The Poopsmith? I just think a character's first speaking roll will make the wiki better and expand people's knowledge-- 15:44, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
It sounds like you want to add content for the sake of adding content; I see absolutely no benefit to the typical user the knowledge of when a character first spoke. It sounds like fluff that would be fine for a user subpage, but I really don't think it holds enough water to justify its addition to the Wiki. - Catjaz63 20:27, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
I think this is a good idea — though maybe not on it's own page. For example, on the page for Bubs, we could mention under the bullet where his Filmography is listed that A Jumping Jack Contest was his first speaking role (off the top of my head, it could be wrong). Seems pretty useful to me.
That said, I also think we should have a page for not-quite Character Relationships, but I seem to be in the minority there. So take my opinion about what belongs on the wiki with a grain of salt, I guess. -- ■■   PURPLE  WRENCH   ■■ 21:03, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
The first few characters to appear in the Homestar body of work did so before sound was a factor, so the characters from the Original Book that have since spoken would be a few examples.
I'd support the first speaking role as a bulletpoint under the debut. DEI DAT VMdatvm center\super contra 23:41, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

[edit] These

Should we include Large Bean, Tucker Donaldson, and Twelve-Times-A-Day Man on here? I mean, they are characters... Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 22:23, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Large Bean: I mean, he's not even alive. He's just an attraction for Strong Bad's crappy haunted-type place.
Tucker Donaldson: I don't think Unseen Characters go here; they stay on their own page.
12-Times-A-Day Man: Yeah, he goes under Characters#Other Alternates.
That's my two cents. - Catjaz63 22:34, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
Actually Large Bean goes on Characters#Pseudocharacters. - Catjaz63 22:37, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
Wha' 'bout The Bug, The Mountain Goat, Pazquel, Von Blaubloods, and maybe the Turtle? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 02:18, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
I don't think animal characters go on this list. - Catjaz63 02:21, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
Well, there's Gavin... Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 05:32, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
And the Fat Bluebird is there too! Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 20:06, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
I added an "Animals" section. And maybe some more: Edgar, Laconic (PBTC), "Your Mom" (PBTC), and PhoneTime XL8 (pseudocharacter)? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc

[edit] Atari Marzipan

I don't think Atari Marzipan should be here. She doesn't have a page, whereas Atari Homestar and Atari Strong Bad, who are also listed, do have pages. If we include her, we might as well include the rest of the Atari characters as well. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 05:20, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Why are Atari Homestar and Atari Strong Bad singled out? Each of their articles consist of all of five sentences. They have more appearances than the other Atari versions, but are they really separate characters? Since we have the retro gaming variations page, I'd be fine with leaving them off here. That or we should list them all. — It's dot com 15:44, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Minor Character Variations

So far, 4 out of 19 minor character variations pages are listed here. Highschool, middle school, Free Petry Dish, and Xeriouxly Forxe. Why those in particular? Should we remove them? Or include all the minor character variations? Or decide which ones should be here and which shouldn't? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 04:43, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

There's a link to it at the bottom of the page, so I think they can be removed. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 05:06, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

[edit] Variation Organization

Character variations are split across the entire page — most of them are under "Variations", but storybook variations are under "Secondary characters", and Strong Badman variations are under "Characters from Created Worlds". And on the flipside, not all characters listed under "Variations" are actually variations (like Rumble Red and Sticklyman). Since there doesn't seem to be much of a distinction between "Variations" and "Characters from Created Worlds", I'd suggest merging them into a section called "Spinoffs and Variations", or something. Also, the subsections of the aforementioned sections currently don't appear to be in any specific order... I think ordering them from most to least important would be ideal (perhaps measured by number of appearances?).

Finally, since high school, middle school, petry dish, and Xeriouxly Forxe characters don't have their own pages, I feel like those sections should probably be removed; as a substitute, the Minor Character Variations link could be expanded to a whole section, listing all those pages. Thoughts? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 22:31, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Ah, those are very good observations Gfd and I'd agree that the organization of these categories is a bit messy. However, I'm not too sure merging "Variations" and "Characters from Created Worlds" might be the appropriate solution.
  • In my opinion, "Variations" generally covers "alternate versions" of the Main Characters (Old Timey, 20X6, Xeriouxly, Mysfit and Middle-school I'd consider the best examples, while "other alternates" is a bit hodge-podgy)
  • On the other hand, "Characters from created worlds" covers made-up universes that have spun off from the main media (TGS, Thy Dungeonman, Peasant's Quest, and Sweet Cuppin' cakes) — In general these may have some characters derived from the main characters but the examples I listed do not have any main characters (except for Casio Head Strong Bad maybe).
  • There is clearly overlap: 20X6, Old-timey, Dangeresque and Xeriouxly Forxe are also from "Created Worlds"; Strong Badman and Cheat Commandos are based out of main characters.
  • But there is also clear not-overlap: Child and Middle-school variations are not from created worlds, same for Decemberween (it's a play, so...?); TGS, Thy Dungeonman, Peasant's Quest, Powered by the Cheat and almost all of Folk Tale world is replete with brand new and unique characters.
    • I honestly don't know if Limozeen is part of a created world or not: don't they interact with the main character's "main world"?
  • So, my point is that yes, there's overlap, and no there isn't overlap, but I don't think combining them into one big "bucket" might be the best way to organize them. You kind of lose some organization in here and the pages and categories would likely be updated to reflect this blurry bucket.
    • An alternative could be to have 3 categories on this page? (names not final): MC variations (plain), MC Variations from created worlds, Characters from created worlds.
  • I like the idea of ordering the sections by importance.
  • I disagree with removing the sections for high school, middle school, petry dish, and Xeriouxly Forxe. Even if they don't have individual pages for all the characters, I'm almost certain many of the entries on this page don't either. One of the primary functions of this page is to illustrate all the characters via gallery. I think it's neat how you can scroll through the page and see what the characters look like, not just read a list of their names.
    • Now, if your goal is to somehow make the page smaller so it loads faster, that's another story. A whole other story. At a minimum those galleries would have to be moved to the Minor Character Variations page and that page should be expanded to serve as an index and gallery for that. But, to be honest, I very much like the Characters page in its current incarnation despite is long loading time.
--Stux 00:44, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
I agree that the current organization is rather shoddy... I think this article has the issue (common to a lot of big pages here) where most edits are simply jumping in to add new content, which leads to the page becoming unwieldy and disorganized.
  • I agree with Stux that the gallery of everything is neat to see and scroll through but the page has little functional value; I can't imagine someone new to Homestar finding it a useful guide to learning about the body of work, and an existing fan would likely only look at a section or two. The biggest issue I have with the page as it stands is that "secondary characters" is too broad and gives too much emphasis to minor characters.
    • The Cleric (who has appeared twice) is the first character listed; Trogdor is one of the most recognizable characters in all of Homestar Runner, but he doesn't appear until 3/4 of the way down the page. Monte Negro (who has less than ten seconds of screentime) is put on the same level as Senor Cardgage (who has appeared in over 30 toons, starring in several of them).
  • I don't see the value in differentiating variations "made up by a character" and "made up by TBC". 20X6 is a "sub-universe" that "rarely interact[s] with the main universe" originating from a sbemail, but is listed as a "variation" instead of a "created world".
  • I think we can keep minor sections (petry dish, etc), but if a character doesn't have their own page we should remove the link from their name and only have an all-up "list of [x] variation" characters linked at the title.
  • Maybe we add a "tertiary" section, for sub-universes like "The Li'l Brudder and Maybe Tendafoot Too Show" or "Folk Tale World" that have appeared in three or fewer toons.
  • "Organizations" I feel is out of this page's scope. They're an awkward mix of sight gags where we hear none of their music and see none of the members, groups made up of characters listed earlier on the page, or groups made up of characters not listed on the page.
It would be really nice to use MediaWiki's "collapsible elements" function to condense this page's elements, but the HRWiki's version of MediaWiki hasn't been updated in 14 years so that's not workable. -- Bleu Ninja 03:11, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Regarding variations and created worlds: my issue with keeping them separate was that the Homestar Runner universe loves to blur the line between fiction and fictional fiction, leaving it ambiguous as to what's actually "real". But after giving it some thought, I've noticed that some characters are more fictional than others, and I think this page should continue to reflect that. So here's my Overly Elaborate Taxonomy Of Embedded Fiction™:

  • Real: Old-Timey, 20X6, Storybook, Decemberween, Child, Xeriouxly — If I recall correctly, these are never directly portrayed as in-universe fiction, and can be assumed to be about as real as the main cast. Even when depicted within some sort of framing device (such as a storybook or play), they are apparently based on true events.
    • 20X6 is an odd case; while originally made-up by Strong Bad, it went on to take on a life of its own, and no longer appears to be directly influenced or observed by the main cast as fiction. This is the only example I would put in a "Fiction Turned Real" category.
  • Mostly Fiction: Mysfit-steries, Strong Badman, Sweet Cuppin' Cakes — The email alternate universe depicts these worlds as real within their own separate universes; however, in the main universe, they are still primarily shown through fictional media.
    • It's implied, but not outright confirmed, that Strong Bad's doodle memory is completely unreliable, which is why I put Mysfit-steries in this category. It could go either way though.
  • Fiction: Everything else — These are shown to be fictional at least once, and I don't think are ever depicted as real.
    • Again, the variations shown in high school aren't necessarily fictional in-universe, but they probably are.
    • Limozeen in Space characters are fictional in-universe, but the band isn't.

As for minor variations like Xeriouxly Forxe: these are entire galleries linking to only a single page, adding to the page's length without adding much functional value. But you know what Stux, you're right, it is kinda neat to have images of pretty much every character and variation on one page. I'm mostly just a stickler for consistency, so in my mind, the alternative to removing these sections is to also add PBTC, Yonder Website, wrestling, 8-Bit is Enough, other variations (at least the ones that have personalities and aren't just an art style change), and maybe puppets (I'm not sure if they're different enough from their Flash counterparts to be listed here).

Here's my take on Stux's 3-category suggestion (names not final):

  • Characters from Variant Worlds — Basically the "Variations" category but with the name changed to reflect the fact that, while the worlds themselves are variants of the main one, not all the characters are. This would contain the worlds I defined as "Real".
  • Characters from Created Variant Worlds — For in-universe fictional worlds consisting primarily of variations.
  • Characters from Created Worlds — For in-universe fictional worlds consisting primarily of original characters.
  • Alternate Identities — For variations and personas that exist in the main universe, like the child and Decemberween pageant characters.

We could also combine this with Bleu Ninja's suggestion and split this up even further by moving less significant worlds like Folky Tale to other sections. Dividing these categories based on significance and fictionality could get a bit complicated — this sort of thing might work best if the page was arranged as a two or three-axis diagram — but it could work once we figure out the best section order.

Speaking of Blue Ninja, I do agree with most of those criticisms... We could perhaps distinguish between secondary and tertiary characters by whether they have a filmography category? As for organizations/bands, I don't have a strong opinion; I wouldn't object to their removal, as long as recurring bands with their own characters (like sloshy, Taranchula, and Brainkrieg) are still listed elsewhere on the page. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 22:03, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

My last suggestion was really complicated, so I've given it a bit more thought. Again, the distinction between reality and fiction in Homestar Runner is often blurred, and the different universes rarely interact with each other anyway, so there's not much point to this distinction — instead, I feel like the more important (and easier to determine) distinction is whether something exists as fictional media within the main Homestar universe. And rather conveniently, everything outside that category happens to feature variations, which meant I only had to divide the sections into two categories (again, names not final):
  • Characters from Variant Worlds — Old-Timey, 20X6, Storybook, Children, Other Alternates, Minor (Mysfit-steries, Middle School, Petry Dish, Wrestling, 8-Bit is Enough, Xeriouxly, Yonder Website)
  • Characters from Fictional Media — Dangeresque, Teen Girl Squad, Cheat Commandos, Peasantry, Sweet Cuppin' Cakes, Strong Badman, PBTC, Limozeen in Space, Thy Dungeonman, Decemberween, Li'l Brudder, Folk Tale
Basically, I've considered every other option I could think of, only to end up looping back around to the page's current layout (with a few subsections shifted around and more descriptive header names). Thoughts? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 00:47, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
Frankly I'm not convinced that a delineation between "real"/"variant"/"fictional" is particularly useful here. H*R generally operates on Rule Of Funny – Stinkoman is from another planet in the future so he cannot interact with the regular cast - unless it would be funny, in which case he totally can (see also History according to Strong Bad, Made-up Real Things). Since we already have descriptions on a few of the later points ("A series of text adventures that originated from the Strong Bad Email 'video games'", "A cartoon featuring everyone's favorite one legged pup"), we could just combine your two categories to the general "secondary characters" level and use a one-line description to explain how "real" they are. This also would solve for some weirdness in the current article (e.g. "Ultimate Trogdor" being listed well above Trogdor). -- Bleu Ninja 01:29, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
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