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-	== Anonymous editing ==	+	''It has been [[HRWiki talk:Main page redesign|suggested]] that the Main Page be redesigned. Feel free to use [[HRWiki:Main page redesign|its project page]] for proposed redesigns.''
-	Hey, everyone. We're finally back with [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sitenotice&curid=3863&diff=224920&oldid=219718 this edit] by [[User:Tom|Tom]]. Also congratulations to [[User:It's dot com|64.12.116.195]] who made the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&curid=1159&diff=224922&oldid=224820&rcid=169422 first annonymous edit]. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 05:03, 29 December 2005 (UTC)	+	== sbemail templates ==
-	:Wait, it's over? o_o I blinked and I missed it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]	+	:''See [[Talk:Strong Bad Email#sbemail templates|Talk:Strong Bad Email &rarr; sbemail templates]]''
-	::...is Totally [[virus|awesome]]! Um one thing: the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin user login]/account creation page only has the following fields available for new users: retype password and the image code.  There is no field for putting in one's email addy, what happened to that? Also, the text below still mentions the email addy option (in case you were planning on eliminating that feature for future funny users. (I had to alliterate. I love lengthy alliteration. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 06:33, 29 December 2005 (UTC)))	+
-	:::We still plan to reenable that. The code isn't ready for it yet, but it ''is'' ready for anonymous editing and new-user creation, so we went ahead and implemented what we have so far. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:41, 29 December 2005 (UTC)	+
-	::::Fanstuff's still locked up tight, though? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]	+
-	:::::No, Fanstuff is back open. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:45, 29 December 2005 (UTC)	+
-	::::::Then shouldn't you take down, or at least alter, the MediaWiki Site Notice at the top... You took it off here... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]	+
-	:::::::Do a hard refresh and see if that fixes it. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:47, 29 December 2005 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::It still won't come off the main page, although it is off all the others. (However, it's not like I visit the Fanstuff frequently... Maybe once every 6 weeks, unless something major goes on. Don't even have an account.) --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]	+
-	::::Makes sense... sweet! Good to have this running! Thanks! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 06:43, 29 December 2005 (UTC)	+
-	:::::SWEET LADY FREEDOM, LET'S MAKE OUT!!!! Well I'm glad the wiki's finally getting back to it's old self. Patrolling edits, battling trolls, greeting new users, I missed all of that... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 06:54, 29 December 2005 (UTC)	+
-	::::::I think the above user is the best ever. [[User:142.179.33.98|142.179.33.98]] 06:55, 29 December 2005 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::There have been a few trolls... Check the history of my user page for one of 'em. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]	+
-	::::::::Well thanks annony, that means alot to me. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 06:57, 29 December 2005 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::No problem. I also think Dot Com should get you a danish. [[User:142.179.33.98|142.179.33.98]] 06:57, 29 December 2005 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::::o_O ... By the way, <s>TBird</s> anonny, notice the capitalization of the short form of my name: it's [[User:It's dot com|Dot com]] 07:00, 29 December 2005 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::::Heh heh, <strike>my bad</strike> I mean... annony's bad. ;)  {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 07:02, 29 December 2005 (UTC)	+
-	:Hey! Neat! (but still, this makes us more suseptible to troll attacks.)--{{User:Benol/sig}} 12:38, 29 December 2005 (UTC)	+
-	::I say: '''Bring it on!''' ):D {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 13:27, 29 December 2005 (UTC)	+
-	::THis is great.  Anonnys can finally be back.  To bad it will take a while to get the word out.  And about the trolls, I don't mind.  I am itching for a troll to fight! ! {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 14:04, 29 December 2005 (UTC)	+
-	:::Oh, and now wer have a super cool word-in-a-picture security device. That's just what we need. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 16:11, 29 December 2005 (UTC)	+
-	::::Yay!  We had our first troll (to my knowledge).  http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&limit=500&hideliu=1.	+
-	== New-user creation ==	+	== Trogday decor ==
-	There's a glitch in the Captcha system that is not letting anonymous users create accounts. We are aware of the problem and are working to correct it. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:59, 29 December 2005 (UTC)	+
-	:Update: I think I fixed it. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 09:46, 30 December 2005 (UTC)	+
-	Looks like it's fixed. I've been waiting for new user registration to come back so I could finally create an account here. Long Time Wiki Reader, First Time Wiki Poster. Or somesuch. Forgive me if I'm not very good at this. I've never actually used a Wiki... (Well, I've used a simplistic one elsewhere, but... I dunno if the interface is the same). <strike>I don't even know how to properly give a "signature" or whatever.</strike> Ah well. I'll learn. =P  -[[User:YK|YK]] 23:49, 2 January 2006 (UTC)	+	Does the '''Featured content of the day (or whenever)''' template automatically switch to different links on certain days? Such as linking to [[dragon]], [[Trogday '08]] and other things when the time comes? Or is that done manually? Because tomorrow is Trogday. - [[User:HoveringSombrero|HoveringSombrero]] ([[User talk:HoveringSombrero|talk]]) [[File:Shoulder shoomps.png|23px]]
-	:Oo! An L.T.W.R., F.T.W.P.! Seriously, the learning's half the fun. I'm going to head over to your talk page to explain the question about signatures. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:13, 2 January 2006 (UTC)	+	:It's not automatic, but as you can see (at the time of this writing), the decorations were indeed put up to coincide with Trogday. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
-	'''''LOL Hello Everybody, Everybody!!''''' I'm one of the ones who wanted to sign up while the System was Down and was obstructed. Now here I am! :D --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 18:33, 6 January 2006 (UTC)	+	== How many references do you need? ==
-	== Videlectrix stubs ==	+	How many references to a thing need to be on a page for the thing the page is about to become a real page? Just curious because my mock-up seinfeld page includes eight references to the titular show. The page on [[The Big Lebowski]] has the same amount of references... so do I just make a [[Seinfeld]] page now? ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 20:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	:done and done ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 20:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	::See our [[HRWiki:Inclusion guidelines|inclusion guidelines]]. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
-	As many know, most of the [[Videlectrix]] games are currently not available for play. However, we have articles on their respective subjects, only with the most minimal of information. Then each article has been tagged as a <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:stub|stub]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki>. After sitting in [[:Category:Stubs]] for a considerable amount of time, it has become clear that there may never be any more information available on the subjects. Even if there will be, there isn't right now. I nominate that the stub tags from each of the articles be removed for the reason that they are complete at the moment. The following is a short conversation on the subject:	+	== Songs archive ==
-	<blockquote>	+	Would it be OK if I created a subpage to my user page with a complete archive of every existing song in the Homestar universe? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:28, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
-	*<Lapper> BazookaJoe`, what do you think?	+	:I'm pretty sure we [[Songs|have that covered]]. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:18, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
-	*<Lapper> We say the Videlectrix articles are uncompletable.	+	::Well, I was gonna add MP3 files with them, so people could download them and stuff. Is that still OK? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 00:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
-	*<Lapper> There's no info left to add.	+	:::No, that's not what the user space is for. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
-	*<Lapper> But they stay in the stub category like they should be completed	+
-	*<Elcool> some stubs that should be destubbed:	+
-	*<Elcool> [[Cheat Commandos Playsets]]	+
-	*<BazookaJoe`> I think they became stub articles on the pretext that there might someday be more info on them	+
-	*<Elcool> [[Atari Strong Bad]]	+
-	*<BazookaJoe`> but, yeah. if there's nothing else to add, it shouldn't be a stub	+
-	*<Lapper> BazookaJoe`: Yet, there isn't right now, so why leave them as stubs?	+
-	*<BazookaJoe`> i don't see a reason	+
-	</blockquote>	+
-	I've decided to '''be bold''' and remove the stub tags. If anyone objects, they should do so. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 19:19, 29 December 2005 (UTC)	+	== dot dot dot ==
-	Additionally, there are quite a few other stubs that are technically complete, some of which have been de-tagged by [[User:E.L. Cool|E. L. Cool]] &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 19:29, 29 December 2005 (UTC)	+	Why come whenever I try to link to [[lady…ing]] and [[Cheat Commandos…O's]], the link is broken? Is it because of those ellipses? {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
		+	:Sort of! "…" is different from "...", it's a single character rather than three periods. Try highlighting it and you can see. This is kind of like the difference between “curly quotes” and "straight quotes" - in both cases, the former is typically made via autocorrect in word processors or mobile keyboards, while the latter is preferred by the wiki. So while [[lady…ing]] and [[lady...ing]] may ''look'' the same, they are actually two different typed entries. --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 22:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	::I've added redirects to fix the issue. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 23:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	:::Thanks! {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
-	:I agree, if there's no more information to put on the article then they don't need to be stubs. It's been discussed before, I just don't remember where (but it had to do with small articles too, and wikipedia not being paper). --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 15:15, 30 December 2005 (UTC)	+	== Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual? ==
-	:I agree as well; everything should be relative, and like you said, they ARE complete. -[[User:24.15.49.150|24.15.49.150]] 15:28, 2 January 2006 (UTC)	+	[[Strong Bad Email]] has been in the sidebar for as long as I can remember, presumably because it was the most popular and most actively updated portion of the website. With the Twitter account handily outpacing both sbemails and "H*R.com updates" (not to mention the [[CGI Paper]] directing viewers to tweet rather than email), might it be worth adding it over there? I know I regularly find myself navigating to the [[@StrongBadActual]] page(s) to fill out "Fast Forward" sections of pages or to find dates when an item or project was mentioned. --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 20:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	:I agree (and I'm not going to do the whole "Don't you think I agree" part, this isn't [[E-mail Birds]], but it is bird season.), and I fully support putting it there. It's a handy page and we've put a lot of work into cataloging every post made by strong bad on twitter, with fun facts to boot! So consider this my '''SUPPORT'''. ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 22:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	::I also '''SUPPORT'''. {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
		+	:::, So I '''SUPPORT''' this too, but I like having easy access to the Strong Bad Email page, considering I usually watch the sbemails by clicking on the external links. So, maybe we keep both? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
		+	::::Maybe we link to it as <code><nowiki>[[@StrongBadActual Tweets 2023|Twitter]]</nowiki></code> and put it above [[Strong Bad Email]] and underneath [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent changes]]? {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
		+	::::: GREAT IDEA! I like it! [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 18:00, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
-	== Slow=Update? ==	+	== Editing user pages ==
-	Is anybody else having [http://www.homestarrunner.com H*R.com] come up really slow? It's kinda on and off. Sometimes it's fine, and others it's not. Could this be 'cause of the long wanted update? Or is it just me? -[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 22:11, 31 December 2005 (UTC)	+	Alright, so, I've been thinking. The block log has a lot of "user banned for editing userpages of other users". So, the main page, for example, has a system so only sysops can edit it. What if we add a system to all user pages that basically makes it impossible for anybody but the user to edit it? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
-	:It doesn't come up at all for me. It's definitely not just you. I think you're on to something, AtionSong. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]	+	:The thing is, I feel sysops / admins / wiki bots should probably still be able to edit user pages. For example, an admin fixing a bug on the page or a bot auto-replacing a link. But I agree that no one else should edit other user pages. Or somehow make a system where users can choose who can edit the page. {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}} 18:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
-	::It is all at normal speed for me. They might be updating, I hope they are updating, but don't get your hopes up. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 22:15, 31 December 2005 (UTC)	+	::We already have [[HRWiki:User space#Ownership and editing of pages in the user space|explicit guidelines]] on who can and should edit user pages.  If a user page is edited for anything other than a legitimate reason, the edit typically gets quickly reverted. No harm done. Anyone that might be banned in relation to user page edits is most likely doing it in a disruptive manner. In any case, the block logs mostly include bans for spamming.  There really is no compelling reason to add user page security settings or tools for this. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
-	:::It was really slow [[HRWiki:Main_Page_Talk_Archive_6#H.2AR_down.3F|before]] and their was no update.  Maybe it's different now...or not.--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 23:09, 31 December 2005 (UTC)	+
-	Boy.  I wish I had job where I could skip out without telling anybody for a month.	+
-	::Mabye they gave up. Mabye they are tired of Homestar. Mabye they threw a WILD New Years Eve Party. But I just want Homestar back!--{{User:Benol/sig}} 15:56, 1 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::Run "Matt Chapman Atlanta GA" or "Melissa Palmer Atlanta GA" through Google. Their phone numbers are prominently displayed, feel free to call them and ask where the update is. XD	+
-	::::Yeah, that'd be great.	+
-	::::'''ME:''' Hello? Is this Matt Chapman?	+	== Wiki availability ==
-	::::'''MATT:''' Yes. Who is this?	+	For about the past week, I haven't been able to access the HRWiki, and downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently confirmed (and still does) that hrwiki.org is down. However, I see that plenty of edits have been made to the wiki in that time, so obviously it wasn't entirely down. Basically, I've been presented with a white screen that occasionally loaded the hills in the background and sometimes the Homestar logo in the top-left corner, and if I moved the mouse around the screen, it would recognize where links and drop-down menus were, but it wouldn't show me any text for the links and all. Any idea what may have happened/be happening? {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 20:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
-	::::'''ME:''' Oh, you don't know me. I'm a fan and I found out your phone number through an online search. So, I was wondering why there hasn't been a...	+	:Hey Knights.  Usually, when a big update is released, wiki activity jumps exponentially and typically the wiki reaction times can slow down to a crawl.  Pages still load but they take forever and one must be patient.  Eventually that goes away as edits taper down.  However, for a site like "downforeveryoneorjustme", their timeout is likely far shorter than regular browsers when reporting if a site is down.  In your particular case it seems that not all website elements are loading and some may be timing out and not loading at all.  I'd typically expect that behavior during peak edit times.  Hope this helps a tiny bit! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 06:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
		+	::At some point I did see pages seemingly load but remain blank unless I interacted with the tab in some way, though that could have been a browser issue, it never really prevented me from accessing the wiki, and I haven't been experiencing it for a while. I've also had some "unable to connect" errors because sometimes when loading the wiki, it attempts to load an https URL. Most of the time, though, especially after a new release, it's been just slowdowns. {{User:DEIDATVM/sig}} 21:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
-	::::''{click}''	+	=== Still Slow ===
		+	It seems that the wiki hasn't fully recovered from its slowdowns back in August.  In the last couple of months I've come across the Job Queue and [[MW:Manual:Job queue|this mediawiki page]] detailing what it is and how it's supposed to function.  I get the impression that currently, all jobs on the wiki are running when a page is being requested.  The page outlines a means by which the jobs can be run in the background (either via cron job or background process; I'd recommend the background process) and then the job run rate could be set to zero (so that pages aren't spending time running jobs while loading).  Is this something that is already in place or could this perhaps be implemented in order to improve overall performance even during busy periods? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 11:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
-	::::'''ME:''' Hello? ''{pause}'' Hello?	+	==glitch on the main pages ==
-	::::Yeah, that's work out ''great''. -[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 17:17, 1 January 2006 (UTC)	+	Noticed a glitch on the main pages, done by holding the cursor on one of the buttons, and then moving away, and then moving your finger off the mouse. to see what this does and what I mean, refer to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgM-NA0Rja4 [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 21:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
-	::You really called him?--{{User:Benol/sig}} 17:19, 1 January 2006 (UTC)	+	:There's a whole page about this. [[Main Page Glitches]] {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 21:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
-	:::No. I should probably indent it so people know it goes with my other comment. I'm saying that it's unlikely that Matt or Missy would talk to a fan that just found their number. Also "XD", I think that that's a pretty big invasion on their privacy and it is very rude. -[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 17:25, 1 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::They weren't saying XD is their name, XD is a smiley, that looks like a laughing guy--{{User:Benol/sig}} 17:26, 1 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::and Matt's # is (XXX) XXX-XXXX, and Missy's is (XXX) XXX-XXXX.--{{User:Benol/sig}} 17:33, 1 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::I'm sorry but even if the numbers are available through google I think we should still respect their privacy and not post people's phone numbers in this wiki. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:44, 1 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::::Here's a thought- what if the update is the final Stinkoman 20X6 level, but it was so massivce they had to take it down, or there was a problem or something. -[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 20:07, 1 January 2006 (UTC)	+	== Why does the website still have the Halloween theme? ==
		+	Halloween ended 18 days ago, and so did October in general, so why does the website still have the Hallow's Eve theme? --{{User:Cy4nIsN0tB1u3/sig}} 04:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
		+	:Because we're still waiting for the annual Fan Costumes toon to close out the season, even if we have to wait [[Decomposing Pumpkins|days after Thanksgiving]]. Also, because the sysops in charge of changing the wiki settings are busy people with lives and tend to wait a while to get around to it. -- [[Special:Contributions/68.37.43.131|68.37.43.131]] 23:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
-	::::::It seems pretty unlikely that a SM 20X6 level would make the entire site unaccesable. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 20:28, 1 January 2006 (UTC)	+	==New Fan Stumes’!==
-	:::::::I couldn't get to it yesterday, but it's fine today. Maybe they took it down so no one could find a loophole to get to Level 10 before it's released (how about "[[Not the 100th Email!!!]]"). {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 20:33, 1 January 2006 (UTC)	+	The 2023 Fan Stumes has been released! And not only that, but my costume from last year is the very first Strong Bad costume! That counts as a fun fact, right? We should probably note that like how we note when a wikian sent a email. [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 17:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
-	::::::::It could be like insanely huge, like in 3-D or something. I dunno. It's just that it's been 3 months without an update, so maybe they were saving the last level for an important occasion. -[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 20:34, 1 January 2006 (UTC)	+	== Permafrosted logo? ==
-	:::::::::You guys are kidding yourselves. "TBC have gone 24 days without an update. They don't have anything predicably planned, and they haven't released anything even close to being a message as to what's holding them up. They must be planning something ultra-huge that's gonna be so cool with Stinkoman and Trogdor and Fqhgwgahds! It's gonna be the kwelist thing EVAH!" The way I see it, nothing huge is coming at all. It's just something that no one's willing to talk about, or have any medium of saying. Something personal that's holding them up. They have nothing big planned, they'd tell someone then. This, my strange little internet friends, is something hidden, something secret, something that could see the end of Homestar Runner as we know it. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 23:05, 1 January 2006 (UTC)	+	The Decemberween themed logo is still up, but December ended 11 days ago. The weirdest part in my opinion is that there's no d'ween themed colors despide icicles and Homestar's hat. Is there something we're waiting for, like a new not-Decemberween toon?
-	::::::::::We all know that. The same thing is running through everyone's head, we just don't want to admit it. We could be getting our hopes up, yes, but do we really want to talk about the end of Homestar Runner? No. We're just not ready to face the concept yet. As a garage band once sang, "Homestar Runner, I don't know what I'd do without you". --[[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 24:45, 1 January 2006	+	Yours truly,
		+	The guy who confused Dobbs for Daubs. {{unsigned|206.110.189.60|11 January 2024 16:34 (UTC)}}
-	:::::::::::Let's just stop speculating and see what happens. TBC deserve a break just like the rest of us, for whatever reasons they may have. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 01:54, 2 January 2006 (UTC)	+	:I'm not an admin, but I'm assuming the style is simply for the winter season. Even though the Christmas lights have been taken down, it's still a chilly and snowy time of year for {{w|March equinox|at least another month and a half}}. (P.S. Even if you don't have an account, please sign your posts with four tildes: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 17:34, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
-	::::::::::::Yeah, I don't know about you, but my boss lets me take month-long breaks all the time.  These guys are JUST like me.	+	== Load times and potential solutions ==
-	:::::::::::::Okay, this is the kind of comment that really cheeses me off.  TBC do this site mainly for their own amusement and to please their fans.  Aside from selling products in their store, they don't charge you to use the site - it's free for everyone to enjoy.  Therefore, '''they are ''not'' obligated to update the site on any schedule but their own.'''  If they choose to take a month's vacation and not tell anyone, that's perfectly within their right - it's their site, and regardless of how you and I feel about it, they can do whatever they want with it. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 03:22, 2 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	Feels good to be out again ''{pant pant}'' .The thing that so weird is that if they ''knew'' that they were going to be gone for 4 weeks, they would have made a cartoon, and just had their dad or somebody put it up. This leads me to believe one of three things:<br/>	+	The wiki's been crawling along like something funny that crawls along for about a year now. This hasn't been much more than a minor inconvenience on my end, but it comes up pretty frequently on [https://www.reddit.com/r/HomestarRunner/ the Homestar subreddit], with a concerning number saying they haven't been able to access it at all. [https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/hrwiki.org downforeveryoneorjustme.com] consistently insists that the system is down. I don't know what the hosting situation is like, nor am I anything close to an expert on such things, so unfortunately I can't diagnose the issue... But, [[DNA Evidence|after <s>extensive</s> investigation]], I'm ready to release my findings.
-	<br/>	+	*[[Talk:Main Page#Still Slow]] {{--}} A few months ago, [[User:Stux|Stux]] proposed a solution involving MediaWiki's [[mw:Manual:Job queue|job queue]]. Seems like something worth looking into.
-	a) There was some unexpected reason that they're not updating the site, which is probably personal, and we should respect their privacy and stop harrassing them.<br/>	+	*[https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/host-a-website-with-high-availability/ Host a Website with High Availability] {{--}} The wiki's web host Linode features a guide on how to host a website with high availability. I can understand at most seven words of this, and I'm not sure how well it applies to wikis, but it might be helpful to someone. (They also have guides for [https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/security/ssl/ enabling HTTPS], which improves security... Maybe performance too, but I've heard mixed things about that.)
-	<br/>	+	*[[Special:Version]] {{--}} The wiki is currently powered by MediaWiki 1.15, which released in 2011. Later versions have added collapsible elements, citation features, slideshow galleries, an optional visual editor interface, the ability to rename categories, and most relevant to this particular discussion, [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader improved performance]. The current stable release is 1.41.
-	b) There isn't going to be a holiday update this year, so we should stop waiting for it and relax.<br/>	+	*[[HRWiki:Donations]] {{--}} I just discovered that [[HRWiki:2011 Server Move|the wiki moved servers in 2011]] to cut back on expenses, which [[HRWiki talk:2011 Server Move#Slowness|apparently resulted in slower load times]] (at least initially, while settings were still being optimized). According to [[Special:Ledger]], there haven't been any donations since then (additionally, it still lists FellowSites hosting dues instead of the new host). I've seen multiple people offering to donate if they could, so if the more recent slowness is once again a financial issue, it might help to [https://www.paypal.com/us/cshelp/article/ts2067 get the donation links working again].
-	<br/>	+	*{{p|l=http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsers&group=developer Special:ListUsers&group=developer}} {{--}} I have no way of knowing how actively people have been working on maintaining backend stuff, but I can see that of the six developers, only [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] and [[User:Tom|Tom]] have been editing consistently since 2016. I realize I'm asking quite a lot of two people at most, and I really don't want to be too demanding... so I can't help but wonder if my suggestions might seem more reasonable if there were more people responsible for backend maintenance. I'm not qualified for that sort of thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were active users with MediaWiki and/or web development experience. As much as I want this wiki to be accessible to more people, I really don't want anyone losing sleep over it.
-	c) There is some huge update they are trying to put up, and we just need to wait for it.<br/>	+	Anyway, sorry I can't offer more help than this, but I hope someone finds this stuff useful (and that I didn't get anything terribly wrong)! {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 01:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
-	<br/>	+	:Out of curiosity, I decided to use [[Special:Statistics]] and the WayBack Machine to calculate roughly how many people have been affected by the slow load times. After comparing the last seven months (from around the start of the slowdowns to now) to the seven months prior, I found that the average number of edits per day has decreased from 22 to 14, and the average number of active users has dropped from 27 to 17. That's a 37% decrease in ''both'' areas, leading me to believe they are linked by a common cause...
-	Any way, I think we should just stop contemplating and rehashing the same ideas over and over again and just accept what is and wait for the next update to the site. -[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 02:44, 2 January 2006 (UTC)	+	:Unfortunately I couldn't figure out if that percentage corresponded to anything specific, like "37% of people use this certain type of Internet connection"... That information would tell me which people are having problems accessing the wiki, and from there I might be able to research a potential solution, assuming any of that works the way I think it does. Maybe I'll do an off-site poll somewhere, but I'd need to know what information would be most pertinent to ask... Would that be helpful at all? {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 05:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
-	:If there is one. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolChem]] 03:49, 2006	+	== Availability of the wiki over https ==
-	:Given their normal tendency to give small updates when they skip a week (let alone 3), my gut tells me it's a), and not pleasant. If so, my heartfelt condolences to the Chapman Bros and their family. --[[User:GregHosting|GregHosting]] 10:36, 3 January 2006 (UTC)	+	Are there any plans to upgrade the wiki from http to https?
-		+	--{{User:UN_TACO/sig}} 00:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
-	There might be an update, there might not. The thing I think is odd is that nobody's even stopped in to at least switch "New Strong Bad Email" to "Strong Bad Email" or something like that. Who knows what's going on. I agree with AtionSong, the only thing we can do is wait. --[[User:SariaMew456|SariaMew]] 2 January 2006	+
-		+
-	Greg's gut tells him it's a, and so does mine. But my gut tells me that they WILL be back. Maybe not this week, maybe not this month, but they WILL be back. Eventually. And Strong Bad will make a big joke about the whole thing. I can see Gavin on the Lappy now... --[[User:Kiwi|Kiwiperson]] 19:16, 2 January 2006	+
-		+
-	What Kiefersunk said is completely pointless. Yea, they have a right not to update their site for a month, and we have just as much of a right to complain about it. Does anyone remember the old days when there was an SBemail AND at least one other update EVERY week? I would have thought that getting so popular that they don't have to work anymore would have made them spend more time on the site, not less. Maybe if the fratboys in my classes weren't all buying the same Trogdor shirts, the BC would eventually realize that they actually need to keep putting up content to keep making money. In the words of Strong Sad, "oh man... Homestarrunner.com used to be cool..."	+
-	Of course that's all a moot point anyway, since I don't think that they would willingly go this long without an update, even considering the lax updating in the recent past. I mean, this is after all their livelihood. That they would work on an update for a month without having a moment to put up any notice is inconceivable. Even if something personal had hapenned, they could have at least gotten someone else to put up a quick note or even shut the site down. Whatever hapenned must have been huge enough to cause the site to be completely ABANDONED. And that means it's most likely also huge enough to signal the end of Homestar Runner.	+
-	Also, I'm sure some crazed fans have already called them, and the lack of any posts to the effect here means that they failed to get a response. Though if the site's not updated soon, I expect to see wild rumors all over the internet regardless.	+
-		+
-	::You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, but I stand by what I said.  Very few things irritate me more than people who complain about free sites that don't update when they want them to.	+
-		+
-	::Many people who run free web comics, story sites, etc., that you don't pay for in order to use, will take breaks occasionally (sometimes even long ones, with no explanation), and just come back when they're ready.  And several of the ones I've kept track of over the years have shut down permanently or gone subscription-only after they took such a break and came back to find tons of hate-mail in their inboxes simply for not having updated.  I would really not like to see TBC do the same thing with Homestar Runner. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 15:54, 4 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	:::All of what you said is true, but the comment about "the rest of us" not having the ability to take unannounced, month long vacations remains correct. To me it seemed like trolling, as roughly the same comment showed up earlier on in the discussion, anonymous in that case also, but even if it wasn't just to get a rise out of people, it's still no cause to get upset about it.--[[User:Jmcc|Jmcc]] 17:43, 4 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	::::I think I'm gonna hafta agree with Greg here. I don't think they would just abandon the site like this. I think something has gone very wrong in their personal lives. Bu then again, there's no way for me to know, and it can be something totally different. -Parlod	+
-		+
-	:::::And I'm just trying to make the points that (a) there's really no use in speculating, as we have no idea what's going on, and (b) TBC do not work for you, for me, or for anyone except themselves.  I don't agree that the "unannounced, month-long vacation" comment is a fair or valid argument, as they do NOT work under the same rules as most of us (as far as we know) - if you took a month-long unannounced vacation from your job, you'd be fired.  But if you took a month-long unannounced hiatus from updating your website, yeah, you might annoy some of your fans, maybe even lose a few, but it's not like your whole life hangs in the balance, y'know? :P {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:24, 4 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::::Also, although conversation on a Talk page doesn't really do any damage, and although I was eager enough to say something on this topic just last week, this really is the sort of thing that would be better off at the forum. The wiki is for discussion of what's ''on'' homestarrunner.com, not what isn't. (But&mdash;disregarding my own advice and throwing my 2 cents in: What everybody seems to be getting at is the paradox of being self-employed. If you're your own boss you can come in to work whenever you dang well please; the flip side is that every vacation is an unpaid one.) &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 18:30, 4 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::::It wasn't a question of whether TBC are entitled to vacation. It was a question of phrasing on your part. Their situation is not "just like the rest of us." That's all that user was pointing out, more sarcastically than needed, perhaps. There was no need to defend TBC, as there was no offense to them.--[[User:Jmcc|Jmcc]] 18:48, 4 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::Meh, it touched a nerve - I've seen this exact same discussion related to half a dozen other sites, so I was getting tired of seeing people complain about the lack of updates in general. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:56, 4 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::Yeah&mdash;I get similarly annoyed by interaction about extensions for FireFox&mdash;plugins provided for free for a program provided for free. And you see people ''cussing out'' the (volunteer) authors about not updating, as if they're complaining of service at a five-star hotel. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:16, 4 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::In response to AbdiViklas, I disagree. This talk page is the perfect place for this discussion. You see, I used to be on the forum, but it took up too much of my time, and I could never do anything else because there was always a new discussion to spam on. So I forbade myself from ever going on it again. If this convo is moved to the forum, where I couldn't bring myself to read or add to it, ever, I'd be ruined. I'm a Homestar Runner fan. Ergo, I have no life. If this argument about whether or not we should complain about the lack of update is moved off the one third of the wiki I can bring myself to go on, I'll lose my livelihood, and I'd wither and die like a ficus watered with Yoo-Hoo. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 20:40, 4 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::::Still, even if something did happen to one of the Chapmans, they could still put up new weeklys, or something. It's just...wierd. But not necessarily bad. What if it's just something about them not being able ot get access to the site or something like that? Problems with Flash? HTML? It doesn't need to be a bad thing (well, really bad). -[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 21:20, 4 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::::Well, whatever it is, I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that this will, in some way, change Homestar Runner as we know it forever. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 21:39, 4 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	<blockquote class="tandy email">Dear Strong Bad,<br />	+
-	<br />	+
-	Do you remember when you would answer emails and <br />	+
-	people wouldn't think it was the end of the world<br />	+
-	when you took a while?  I do, I miss those days.<br />	+
-	<br />	+
-	With a lot of crap,<br />	+
-	KieferSkunk</blockquote>	+
-		+
-	Yep.  I remember those days, Mike.  Those were good days... ''{sniffs}'' good days. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 22:39, 4 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	:No one thinks it's the end of the world. We're just annoyed about this lengthy unexpected lack of update. Can you blame us? It's been a month since the last update (February). Hey...since the last update, now is 28 days later. Maybe some kind of virus has wiped out the greater Atlanta area? --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 08:30, 5 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	::Virus=Very No. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 08:33, 5 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	:::Why is there a new email update on the main page of the Wiki? -Parlod	+
-	:::: Troll, as best I can figure. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 13:50, 5 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::: Great, just as anonymous editing and account creation are reactivated, people start pulling that crap again... --[[User:Spanky The Dolphin|Spanky The Dolphin]] 16:27, 5 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	::To VolatileChemical: Don't get me wrong - I'm concerned about their lack of updates too, not to mention how the site is INCREDIBLY slow.  But I think it's a bit premature to be jumping to conclusions about what this means for the future of Homestarrunner.com, hence my "end of the world" comment above. :P {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 15:42, 5 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	Hello, you'll probably see this as just an anonymous comment improperly added, but I think it's important to remember that although the main page hasn't been changed in a month, the store's sale was extended 28.12.05, which I believe in a clear signal that TBC are alive and well.	+
-		+
-	:So we hope. :)  It's possible, however, that Yahoo had orders from TBC to extend any sales if they hadn't heard otherwise, or something.  Not sure how Yahoo Stores works. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 22:22, 5 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	Hmm... I wonder if the repeat usage of "The good times are over!" as the Quote of the Week a while back could've been a sign... I wanted to post something then, but I wasn't a registered user at the time. I hope this isn't the end... I just got here, too... *sigh* ...Hopefully, we're just reading too much into this. -[[User:YK|YK]] 00:53, 6 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	:To KieferSk...KieferSku...uh, to Kiefe...I can't say it. It's just to weird. Anyway, to that guy who said "To VolatileChemical:": When I said it would change HSR forever, it was kind of a joke, because if there was ever another update at all on the site, the site would be changed forever, in that it had this new cartoon. 'Cos that would change it, that new cartoon, and it would stay that way forever...if the site stayed up forever and they left the cartoon on forever too...for forevermore. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 04:02, 6 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== Too Long ==	+
-	Homestar's description on the main page is a bit too long, I think. It makes the main page... unnaturally tall. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 03:08, 2 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:Yeah i kinda see what you mean.  Personally, all I can really say is... Oh well. The intro was nevertheless a good read and Homestar's a tall guy anyway :). --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:26, 2 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::A tall guy? Strong Bad's shown to be about four feet tall in [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon|SBIIJC]], and his and Homestar's heights are just about the same in [[pom pom|PP]]. So...three feet? Not very tall. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 06:39, 2 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::He's tall in comparison to most of the characters. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]	+
-	::::Also, Homestar and Strong Bad stand right next to each other in The System is Down and Homestar is way taller. -[[User:24.15.49.150|24.15.49.150]]	+
-		+
-	But that's not the point.  Homestar is the main character on the site, and so there's a lot about him. -[[User:24.15.49.150|24.15.49.150]]	+
-		+
-	:Main character? Pfff! I [http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=Strong+Bad+site%3Ahrwiki.org&meta= wiki-Google'd Strong Bad] and got about 58,000 results. Then I [http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=Homestar+Runner+site%3Ahrwiki.org&btnG=Search&meta= wiki-Google'd Homestar Runner]and got about 58,100 results. Subtracting the 100+ results that would refer to the Flash series itself, it would seem that Strong Bad is much a more main character than Homestar. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 20:27, 4 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::Uhh... that Google search means nothing in who's the main character. It's HomestarRunner.com, therefore Homestar Runner is the official main character, even if Strong Bad has the largest feature. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 17:19, 5 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::Aye.  Strong Bad is just stealing the show, basically.  Doesn't mean he is THE main character. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:28, 5 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::Yup. Strong Bad's next month. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:21, 6 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::::Wow, next month. I couldn't care less. Plus, I only said Strong Bad was the main character so I could have an excuse to scoff. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 07:34, 6 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== Purge the WHAT? ==	+
-		+
-	Okay, this may sound stupid, but what does that blue thing at the top of this page that says "Purge the Cache" actually do? I clicked on it a couple of times, but nothing happened. Can someone please tell me? {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 15:31, 2 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	:The cache is a stored version of the page that is created so the Main Page does not need to regenerate itself from code every time a user requests it. The problem is sometimes the cache is out of date with changes to the page, especially when underlying templates are changed (try changing your sig template sometime, it takes a few minutes for the changes to appear everywhere on the wiki). Purge the cache removes the cached version of the page and regenerates the page from code. At least, this is what I assume it is for ;) {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 15:40, 2 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	Okay, thanks for telling me! {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 15:42, 2 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	==Paul Slocum Picture==	+
-	''Taken from [[Talk:Paul Slocum]]''<br>	+
-		+
-	I found a couple of pictures of Paul and would like some help.  If possible, could one of the sysops [mailto:reutterDONTSENDMESPAM%40w-link%2Enet email] the site owner. <br>Here are the Images:	+
-	*[http://cyberroach.com/cyromag/15/DSCN5108.jpg]	+
-	*[http://cyberroach.com/cyromag/15/DSCN5109.jpg]	+
-	*[http://cyberroach.com/cyromag/15/DSCN5107.jpg]	+
-	*[http://cyberroach.com/cyromag/15/DSCN5103.jpg]	+
-	*[http://cyberroach.com/cyromag/15/DSCN5102.jpg]	+
-	*[http://cyberroach.com/cyromag/15/DSCN5110.jpg]	+
-	<br>Or it you like you could [mailto:paul%40treewave%2Ecom email] Paul himself about [http://www.qotile.net/twimages/press/paul.tif this] picture, but it's not very good.	+
-	<br>--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 20:16, 1 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:Whoa! Is <nowiki>[mailto]</nowiki> spambot-proof? If not (and I'd suspect not, since it's the @ symbol they're looking for), then unless Paul used it unprotected first, let's not do so. That's the number one easiest way to sign on for a dumptruckload of spam. I was about to convert the @ and dot to unicode, which is a pretty effective prevention in html, but it seems to not work with wikicode. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 19:50, 2 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::Ha! After some research, turns out [[Wikipedia:Hexadecimal|Hexadecimal]] works! If this revision doesn't work for anybody, or if it's actually unnecessary, please pipe up. (If it works and ''is'' necessary&mdash;i.e. wiki pages can be read by spambots&mdash;can we consider making this a standard?) &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:11, 2 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::Do we have to ask about using one of those pictures? Don't we already use most pictures without asking permission? I'd like to hear the opinion of somebody with extensive legal knowledge before we email asking permission for something we may not have to. In any case, I've gotta insist using a cropped number 6 picture if we use any.	+
-	:::'''EDIT:''' Seems like you do need permission. I've already emailed asking for it. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 00:50, 3 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::'''UPDATE:''' [[Image talk:PaulSlocum.PNG|Permission given]]. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 00:54, 4 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== Sysop Nominations ==	+
-		+
-	Does anyone know when the next sysop nominations are going to be?  Are there even going to be anymore? {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 23:52, 2 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:You know, I was just about to ask that question! (I wanna nominate Bubsty)--{{User:Benol/sig}} 00:16, 3 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::Ha ha the only reason I asked this was because I wanted to nominate Bubsty. {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 00:26, 3 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::The thing around here is we only nominate sysops when we have a great need for them. We have quite enough of them right now, so new nominations probably won't be any time soon. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]	+
-		+
-	::::DorianGray is right.  There will be new sysops where there is a need for new sysops.&nbsp;-- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:31, 3 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::::Although some of them do seem a bit un-active. I was wondering about that - can you de-sysop a user? AgentSeethroo, FortyTwo, Stu, (although he recently "came back," even for a short while), and maybe a few others haven't been on for a while. <small>Oh and thanks DBK and Benol, although I don't think I'd be a very good sysop.</small> {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:29, 3 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::::It's been said before: why de-sysop someone? We keep them as such to be formal, and also just in case they do come back. Anyways, enough are active to make it not really matter if a few older ones are taking a little break or have moved on to other things. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]	+
-	:::::::Thanks. And I hope some of them do come back. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:36, 3 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::: Then there's me, someone who has (mostly) been busy lately and hasn't had much to do (with the IPs temporarily universally blocked and the main site not doing much), but still lurks a few minutes a day even if I don't do anything. How can you tell if someone's gone into lurker mode like me? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:59, 3 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::: Then... you have to just guess, probably. Although I doubt Stu, AgentSeethroo, and FortyTwo spend two to three minutes on this wiki a day, and don't do a single edit. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 02:19, 3 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::::Well technically Tom and the other Admins have records of the last time anyone signs in, but that's for their eyes only. And yeah, I gotta agree with Jay. I like the freedom to be able to take a break if I get busy, without worrying my sysop privilages are gonna be taken away because I'm not active enough. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 02:21, 3 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::::I do the lurker-mode thing too, when term becomes too busy. Thunderbird, do you know if the records keep track of automatic sign-in? {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 02:26, 3 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::::::Oh I would think so, or else my records would show that I've only been on about 5 times since I signed up... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 14:01, 3 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::::::Add me to the list of people who lurk when they get too busy. :) &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 16:42, 3 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:I didn't mean about a week or two or anything. I meant something like If you haven't edited in 6 months without any notice explaining why, we de-sysop you. But, if you come back, we give you back your sysop powers. I doubt you guys do the lurker-mode for 6 months in a row. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 04:03, 6 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::We already do that. Anyone who isn't here for six months, we don't let them use their sysop powers while they're gone, but when they come back, we let them use them again. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:11, 6 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::Just out of curiosity, why do you think it matters if there are sysops who aren't around any more? As long as we have enough sysops, inactive ones don't matter. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 04:36, 6 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::I matters because if we take a look at the [[Special:Listusers/sysop|syssop list]], we see that there are 18 of them. removing the two bots, we get 16. Out of them, the ones that are active are 9.5 (Stu just came back). Let's say, for the record that there are 10, ok? That leaves us with '''6''', yes 6, non active sysops. We sit here, talking about the future of their role in the site, and do we get a reply? Even those who consider themselfs as "lurkers" (Which is ok) came and defended themselfs. How about we contact them through email ''and'' a massage in their talk page, and see if they mand the change. If no reply after two weeks, they will be de-sysopied. How about that? The most non-active are:	+
-	*[[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] - Last edit: May 17, 2005	+
-	*[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] - Last edit: October 21, 2005 (Single edit since February 16, 2005)	+
-	*[[User:Furrykef|Furrykef]] - Last edit: June 25, 2005	+
-	::::{{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 05:13, 6 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	:::::I don't see how it matters that they're listed even if they're inactive. They're folks who earned sysop duties, and if they ever come back, we'd be glad to have them keep admin...ing. In the meantime, it does no harm for people to read their names on the sysop list and not see them around. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:19, 6 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::::AgentSeethroo (Interrupter Jones as well) are no doubt in contact with Tom and Joey all the time; they perform admin duties on the forum. Furrykef is an admin on WP now, I believe. It's not like he's completely vanished, and the site developers know where he went and that's okay. Forty Two hasn't completely vanished either. He got married this summer. I was going to say how it's not a big deal to have inactive admins on the list, but then Heimstern posted, so suffice it to say that I agree. We are a small enough wiki that we can allow and keep track of inactive admins without any problem at all. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 05:30, 6 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::Uh, Forty-Two is a she. At least, that's what her userpage says. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:39, 6 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::Ugh, I thought so! I had that tugging in the back of my mind but I didn't go investigate to confirm. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 05:43, 6 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::To Dot com: Your comment struck me as particularly funny. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 05:49, 6 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::Again, to Dot com: Oh really? In that case, let all my comments be erased. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:57, 6 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::::I just thought I should point out that in the case of furreykef, he admitted that he wouldn't be around here much at all in the future, at the time of his nomination. Yet he got it anyways, because he is an exceptional user. And whenever he is/was around, he only makes solid edits. So if we're willing to make people sysops who admit they won't be around much, obviously we'll leave alone those that try to be around, but for personal reasons may have to go on hiatus. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 15:15, 6 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	==Blocked?==	+
-	Is it just me, or has new user resigtration been shut down again?  I went to log on and the CAPTCHA image wasn't there.  -[[User:Marth 99|Marth 99]] 22:07, 3 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:You're right; I just went and checked and didn't see it either. I hope we haven't shut it down in response a half-hearted effort like Kwan3216! &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 22:12, 3 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::I just checked it and there was a captcha there. &mdash;{{User:Mibluvr13/sig}} 22:14, 3 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::I saw it thre too. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 22:14, 3 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::Actually, I remember it missing the other moment. But now, obviously, it's back. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 22:16, 3 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::::And now it's back for me too. That's ''very'' odd, and somewhat disconcerting. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 22:18, 3 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::::::Strange.  I swear it wasn't there a minute ago.  Oh well.  DISCUSSION OVER!!!! -[[User:Marth 99|Marth 99]] 22:20, 3 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	Holy smokes, can't I do maintenance for five minutes without everyone going haywire? &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:18, 3 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:We prefer to call it "The 'ol lightening nerve". Perceptive and high-strung are better descriptions. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 22:20, 3 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::It's better then not noticing a single thing. Especially when an NSMC or something like that comes around. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 06:01, 6 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== Forum Help ==	+
-		+
-	I have a forum account, Dantheburgerking.  Well its not working.  It said to contact an administrator, and I don't really know how to.  So if all else fails, go to the Main Page talk page. {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 03:46, 4 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	:You should post about the issue in the [http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewforum.php?f=3 forum helpdesk].&nbsp;-- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:03, 4 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	::I brought it on over there, thanks. {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 04:13, 4 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== World. Ending. HRWiki. Down. ==	+
-		+
-	Why was HRWiki down yesterday? Everything was going fine until I clicked on the Main Page button in the sidebar, and this weird error message came up. Then it wouldn't let me get on ''any'' pages. Did this happen to anyone else besides me? {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 13:33, 4 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:...Hey, that sounds familiar. Although it didn't last long for me, as I found a way into it through an external link I used somewhere (it was in a discussion about one known as "Clan RHRN". But, yeah, I do recall getting "a weird error message" from trying to get to the main page. Obviously it was just a temporary glitch.	+
-	:On a side note, are we, the HRWiki users, too prone to panic? (Look up a few conversations.) --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]	+
-	::AAAA!!! We are?!! Are we?!!! (Hehe. Sorry, couldn't help it. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 17:07, 4 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::''Yesterday?'' And you're just ''now'' bringing it up? Please. I thought we were jumpier than that. Seriously, I know we're all on edge not only from the fact that IPs can edit again but also because there hasn't been an official update in a month, but I think a little prudence is called for here on when to start a new thread. Occasionally we do maintenance on the site (see above). Occasionally we experiment with new features that will make the site better. And, occasionally, when I am testing something, I will accidentally [[Wikipedia:Comment|comment out]] something important, like a close parenthesis at the end of a line, and not fix it for second or two. In situations like these, tell yourself that everything is fine and that nothing is ruined. If the site is back up in under five minutes and the problem doesn't repeat, you can probably just chalk it up to "one of those things" and not worry. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:23, 4 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== NPR ==	+
-	couldnt find any mention of this on the wiki, so anyway, NPR did a story on homstarrunner.com which you can listen to here:	+
-	http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4634837	+
-		+
-	An interview with the chapmans, and clips from the site - the only new content besides the interview is strong bad saying "you're listeing to All Things Considered, from NPR News."	+
-		+
-	::Was it the [[All_Things_Considered_Interview_-_8_May_2005]]?	+
-		+
-	::: yep that's it. I searched on NPR, not all things considered. dumb me.	+
-		+
-	== My browser just messed up, or... ==	+
-		+
-	The Main Page (of the actual HR) is taking a long time to update, and when I get it, there's no recent update, first time here, Quote, Sketchbook, etc., or other main page buttons!  Everything still works, albeit slowly...	+
-		+
-	...it's probably just your computer. What are you running on, anyways? -[[User:Walking Armless|Walking Armless]]	+
-		+
-	== Christmas break or what? ==	+
-		+
-	Are the Brothers Chaps taking an extended Christmas break or something? They haven't updated in a long time.--[[User:Trendy Totebag|Trendy Totebag]] 22:44, 5 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:[[#Slow=update?|See the big discussion above]]. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 22:50, 5 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::Yea it's been over a year. (or a month.)	+
-	::: Oh well. We still miss 'em. -[[User:Walking Armless|Walking Armless]]	+
-	seriously.  this is the longest I've ever gone without updates, I'm going to a splode. [[User:66.168.23.248|66.168.23.248]] 03:52, 6 January 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::: I wonder if we're gonna get another d-ween in july... [[User:Homsad|Homsad]] 03:59, 6 January 2006 (UTC)	+

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Contents 1 sbemail templates 2 Trogday decor 3 How many references do you need? 4 Songs archive 5 dot dot dot 6 Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual? 7 Editing user pages 8 Wiki availability 8.1 Still Slow 9 glitch on the main pages 10 Why does the website still have the Halloween theme? 11 New Fan Stumes’! 12 Permafrosted logo? 13 Load times and potential solutions 14 Availability of the wiki over https

[edit] sbemail templates

See Talk:Strong Bad Email → sbemail templates

[edit] Trogday decor

Does the Featured content of the day (or whenever) template automatically switch to different links on certain days? Such as linking to dragon, Trogday '08 and other things when the time comes? Or is that done manually? Because tomorrow is Trogday. - HoveringSombrero (talk)

It's not automatic, but as you can see (at the time of this writing), the decorations were indeed put up to coincide with Trogday. — It's dot com 01:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

[edit] How many references do you need?

How many references to a thing need to be on a page for the thing the page is about to become a real page? Just curious because my mock-up seinfeld page includes eight references to the titular show. The page on The Big Lebowski has the same amount of references... so do I just make a Seinfeld page now? ----J∃ffJMan 20:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

done and done ----J∃ffJMan 20:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

See our inclusion guidelines. — It's dot com 21:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Songs archive

Would it be OK if I created a subpage to my user page with a complete archive of every existing song in the Homestar universe? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:28, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure we have that covered. — It's dot com 23:18, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Well, I was gonna add MP3 files with them, so people could download them and stuff. Is that still OK? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 00:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

No, that's not what the user space is for. — It's dot com 00:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

[edit] dot dot dot

Why come whenever I try to link to lady…ing and Cheat Commandos…O's, the link is broken? Is it because of those ellipses? — HoveringSombrero (talk)

Sort of! "…" is different from "...", it's a single character rather than three periods. Try highlighting it and you can see. This is kind of like the difference between “curly quotes” and "straight quotes" - in both cases, the former is typically made via autocorrect in word processors or mobile keyboards, while the latter is preferred by the wiki. So while lady…ing and lady...ing may look the same, they are actually two different typed entries. -- Bleu Ninja 22:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

I've added redirects to fix the issue. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 23:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! — HoveringSombrero (talk)

[edit] Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual?

Strong Bad Email has been in the sidebar for as long as I can remember, presumably because it was the most popular and most actively updated portion of the website. With the Twitter account handily outpacing both sbemails and "H*R.com updates" (not to mention the CGI Paper directing viewers to tweet rather than email), might it be worth adding it over there? I know I regularly find myself navigating to the @StrongBadActual page(s) to fill out "Fast Forward" sections of pages or to find dates when an item or project was mentioned. -- Bleu Ninja 20:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree (and I'm not going to do the whole "Don't you think I agree" part, this isn't E-mail Birds, but it is bird season.), and I fully support putting it there. It's a handy page and we've put a lot of work into cataloging every post made by strong bad on twitter, with fun facts to boot! So consider this my SUPPORT. ----J∃ffJMan 22:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I also SUPPORT. — HoveringSombrero (talk)

, So I SUPPORT this too, but I like having easy access to the Strong Bad Email page, considering I usually watch the sbemails by clicking on the external links. So, maybe we keep both? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Maybe we link to it as [[@StrongBadActual Tweets 2023|Twitter]] and put it above Strong Bad Email and underneath Recent changes? — HoveringSombrero (talk)

GREAT IDEA! I like it! I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 18:00, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Editing user pages

Alright, so, I've been thinking. The block log has a lot of "user banned for editing userpages of other users". So, the main page, for example, has a system so only sysops can edit it. What if we add a system to all user pages that basically makes it impossible for anybody but the user to edit it? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

The thing is, I feel sysops / admins / wiki bots should probably still be able to edit user pages. For example, an admin fixing a bug on the page or a bot auto-replacing a link. But I agree that no one else should edit other user pages. Or somehow make a system where users can choose who can edit the page. — HoveringSombrero (talk) 18:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

We already have explicit guidelines on who can and should edit user pages. If a user page is edited for anything other than a legitimate reason, the edit typically gets quickly reverted. No harm done. Anyone that might be banned in relation to user page edits is most likely doing it in a disruptive manner. In any case, the block logs mostly include bans for spamming. There really is no compelling reason to add user page security settings or tools for this. --Stux 21:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki availability

For about the past week, I haven't been able to access the HRWiki, and downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently confirmed (and still does) that hrwiki.org is down. However, I see that plenty of edits have been made to the wiki in that time, so obviously it wasn't entirely down. Basically, I've been presented with a white screen that occasionally loaded the hills in the background and sometimes the Homestar logo in the top-left corner, and if I moved the mouse around the screen, it would recognize where links and drop-down menus were, but it wouldn't show me any text for the links and all. Any idea what may have happened/be happening? The Knights Who Say Ni 20:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Hey Knights. Usually, when a big update is released, wiki activity jumps exponentially and typically the wiki reaction times can slow down to a crawl. Pages still load but they take forever and one must be patient. Eventually that goes away as edits taper down. However, for a site like "downforeveryoneorjustme", their timeout is likely far shorter than regular browsers when reporting if a site is down. In your particular case it seems that not all website elements are loading and some may be timing out and not loading at all. I'd typically expect that behavior during peak edit times. Hope this helps a tiny bit! --Stux 06:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

At some point I did see pages seemingly load but remain blank unless I interacted with the tab in some way, though that could have been a browser issue, it never really prevented me from accessing the wiki, and I haven't been experiencing it for a while. I've also had some "unable to connect" errors because sometimes when loading the wiki, it attempts to load an https URL. Most of the time, though, especially after a new release, it's been just slowdowns. DEI DAT VM^┌_{datvm center}\^{super contra}_┘ 21:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Still Slow

It seems that the wiki hasn't fully recovered from its slowdowns back in August. In the last couple of months I've come across the Job Queue and this mediawiki page detailing what it is and how it's supposed to function. I get the impression that currently, all jobs on the wiki are running when a page is being requested. The page outlines a means by which the jobs can be run in the background (either via cron job or background process; I'd recommend the background process) and then the job run rate could be set to zero (so that pages aren't spending time running jobs while loading). Is this something that is already in place or could this perhaps be implemented in order to improve overall performance even during busy periods? --Stux 11:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

[edit] glitch on the main pages

Noticed a glitch on the main pages, done by holding the cursor on one of the buttons, and then moving away, and then moving your finger off the mouse. to see what this does and what I mean, refer to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgM-NA0Rja4 I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 21:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

There's a whole page about this. Main Page Glitches Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 21:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Why does the website still have the Halloween theme?

Halloween ended 18 days ago, and so did October in general, so why does the website still have the Hallow's Eve theme? --Cy4nIsN0tB1u3 04:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Because we're still waiting for the annual Fan Costumes toon to close out the season, even if we have to wait days after Thanksgiving. Also, because the sysops in charge of changing the wiki settings are busy people with lives and tend to wait a while to get around to it. -- 68.37.43.131 23:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

[edit] New Fan Stumes’!

The 2023 Fan Stumes has been released! And not only that, but my costume from last year is the very first Strong Bad costume! That counts as a fun fact, right? We should probably note that like how we note when a wikian sent a email. I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 17:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Permafrosted logo?

The Decemberween themed logo is still up, but December ended 11 days ago. The weirdest part in my opinion is that there's no d'ween themed colors despide icicles and Homestar's hat. Is there something we're waiting for, like a new not-Decemberween toon? Yours truly, The guy who confused Dobbs for Daubs. — 206.110.189.60 (Talk | contribs) 11 January 2024 16:34 (UTC) (left unsigned)

I'm not an admin, but I'm assuming the style is simply for the winter season. Even though the Christmas lights have been taken down, it's still a chilly and snowy time of year for at least another month and a half. (P.S. Even if you don't have an account, please sign your posts with four tildes: ~~~~) -- Bleu Ninja 17:34, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

[edit] Load times and potential solutions

The wiki's been crawling along like something funny that crawls along for about a year now. This hasn't been much more than a minor inconvenience on my end, but it comes up pretty frequently on the Homestar subreddit, with a concerning number saying they haven't been able to access it at all. downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently insists that the system is down. I don't know what the hosting situation is like, nor am I anything close to an expert on such things, so unfortunately I can't diagnose the issue... But, after extensive investigation, I'm ready to release my findings.

• Talk:Main Page#Still Slow — A few months ago, Stux proposed a solution involving MediaWiki's job queue. Seems like something worth looking into.
• Host a Website with High Availability — The wiki's web host Linode features a guide on how to host a website with high availability. I can understand at most seven words of this, and I'm not sure how well it applies to wikis, but it might be helpful to someone. (They also have guides for enabling HTTPS, which improves security... Maybe performance too, but I've heard mixed things about that.)
• Special:Version — The wiki is currently powered by MediaWiki 1.15, which released in 2011. Later versions have added collapsible elements, citation features, slideshow galleries, an optional visual editor interface, the ability to rename categories, and most relevant to this particular discussion, improved performance. The current stable release is 1.41.
• HRWiki:Donations — I just discovered that the wiki moved servers in 2011 to cut back on expenses, which apparently resulted in slower load times (at least initially, while settings were still being optimized). According to Special:Ledger, there haven't been any donations since then (additionally, it still lists FellowSites hosting dues instead of the new host). I've seen multiple people offering to donate if they could, so if the more recent slowness is once again a financial issue, it might help to get the donation links working again.
• Special:ListUsers&group=developer — I have no way of knowing how actively people have been working on maintaining backend stuff, but I can see that of the six developers, only It's dot com and Tom have been editing consistently since 2016. I realize I'm asking quite a lot of two people at most, and I really don't want to be too demanding... so I can't help but wonder if my suggestions might seem more reasonable if there were more people responsible for backend maintenance. I'm not qualified for that sort of thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were active users with MediaWiki and/or web development experience. As much as I want this wiki to be accessible to more people, I really don't want anyone losing sleep over it.

Anyway, sorry I can't offer more help than this, but I hope someone finds this stuff useful (and that I didn't get anything terribly wrong)! Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 01:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, I decided to use Special:Statistics and the WayBack Machine to calculate roughly how many people have been affected by the slow load times. After comparing the last seven months (from around the start of the slowdowns to now) to the seven months prior, I found that the average number of edits per day has decreased from 22 to 14, and the average number of active users has dropped from 27 to 17. That's a 37% decrease in both areas, leading me to believe they are linked by a common cause...

Unfortunately I couldn't figure out if that percentage corresponded to anything specific, like "37% of people use this certain type of Internet connection"... That information would tell me which people are having problems accessing the wiki, and from there I might be able to research a potential solution, assuming any of that works the way I think it does. Maybe I'll do an off-site poll somewhere, but I'd need to know what information would be most pertinent to ask... Would that be helpful at all? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 05:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

[edit] Availability of the wiki over https

Are there any plans to upgrade the wiki from http to https? --UN TACO 00:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)