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-	== Recap ==	+	''It has been [[HRWiki talk:Main page redesign|suggested]] that the Main Page be redesigned. Feel free to use [[HRWiki:Main page redesign|its project page]] for proposed redesigns.''
-	''This was originally posted on It's dot com's talk page. He realizes, however, that he will not be able to give this one a good answer for a few days, and doesn't want Kookykman to have to wait that long. Therefore, he is moving the question here to a more public place where anyone can address it.''	+
-	Can I get a recap (no need to be brief, I have time) of the things that have happened here since the start of December? The wiki seems very different after my short break. o_0 - {{User:Kookykman/sig}} 02:53, 15 February 2006 (UTC)	+	== sbemail templates ==
-	:Indeed. Probably the most easily summed-up change was [[HRWiki:A History#Guestbooks|The Tale of the Guestbooks]]. Aside from that, we gained some regularly-editing members and lost others. <s>I'll let It's dot com</s> elaborate, elucidate, expatiate, illustrate, lucubrate, and/or corroborate. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 06:23, 15 February 2006 (UTC)	+	:''See [[Talk:Strong Bad Email#sbemail templates|Talk:Strong Bad Email &rarr; sbemail templates]]''
-	::Well, I never liked guestbooks anyway. So good riddance, I say! Also, I've noticed the blurry and insanely hard to read letter codes for annonys... Who left? Who came? (I feel like an idiot asking all these questions, when I used to be Mr. In-The-Loop. =P) - {{User:Kookykman/sig}} 20:44, 15 February 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::Among others, Bubsty left. For, like, a year... Others have come. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]	+
-	::::And the blurry letters, a.k.a. "Captcha," are the upshot of the NSMC event (I believe you were around for that, right?), verifying that anonnys are actually real human beings. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:32, 16 February 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::::Yeah, I was around for NSMC, but these numbers are a little ''too'' blurry and twisty, even by usual website twisty and blurry standards. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}} 21:28, 16 February 2006 (UTC)	+
-	== Where's the New Weeklies on the WIki???  February 16, 2006 ==	+	== Trogday decor ==
-	I was just on the official H*R website and its got new weeklies.  The wiki hasn't posted it yet and I don't know how to add it.	+	Does the '''Featured content of the day (or whenever)''' template automatically switch to different links on certain days? Such as linking to [[dragon]], [[Trogday '08]] and other things when the time comes? Or is that done manually? Because tomorrow is Trogday. - [[User:HoveringSombrero|HoveringSombrero]] ([[User talk:HoveringSombrero|talk]]) [[File:Shoulder shoomps.png|23px]]
-	I thought this site was so we didn't have to go onto the official site to look for updates.	+	:It's not automatic, but as you can see (at the time of this writing), the decorations were indeed put up to coincide with Trogday. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
-	:Yes, but we don't have superhuman speed. It usually takes a few minutes for it to update along with the site, and a few hours to finish a new toon's page. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 00:16, 17 February 2006 (UTC)	+
-	== Napoleon Dynamite is a Homestar Rip-Off?? ==	+	== How many references do you need? ==
-	I have this theory, that Napoleon Dynamite is a live-action rip-off of the homestar runner universe and characters. I've posted my evidence / conspiracy theory here: http://andrew.hicox.com/?article_id=97 what do you guys think? am I crazy?	+	How many references to a thing need to be on a page for the thing the page is about to become a real page? Just curious because my mock-up seinfeld page includes eight references to the titular show. The page on [[The Big Lebowski]] has the same amount of references... so do I just make a [[Seinfeld]] page now? ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 20:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	:done and done ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 20:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	::See our [[HRWiki:Inclusion guidelines|inclusion guidelines]]. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
-	:I believe that you have several good points in your post, but that would just have to be a major conspiracy. The Brothers Chaps could sue for hundreds of millions of dollars. I'm afraid it's probably just a coincidence. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 13:55, 17 February 2006 (UTC)	+	== Songs archive ==
-	::Tell TBC and see what they think about it--{{User:Benol/sig}} 14:20, 17 February 2006 (UTC)	+	Would it be OK if I created a subpage to my user page with a complete archive of every existing song in the Homestar universe? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:28, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	:I'm pretty sure we [[Songs|have that covered]]. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:18, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	::Well, I was gonna add MP3 files with them, so people could download them and stuff. Is that still OK? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 00:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	:::No, that's not what the user space is for. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
-	:::The entire post is completely opinionated. While there are good points, like Lapper said, I don't think anyo of it bears any resemblence to Homestar Runner. {{User: Seriously/sig}} 16:38, 17 February 2006 (UTC)	+	== dot dot dot ==
-	:nope, its just completely off base.... {{User:Csours/sig}} 05:41, 18 February 2006 (UTC)	+
-	== QOTW ==	+
-	should the quote of the week be attributed to the character who made it, ie bubs? {{User:Csours/sig}} 05:43, 18 February 2006 (UTC)	+
-	== Vandalism of other wikis ==	+	Why come whenever I try to link to [[lady…ing]] and [[Cheat Commandos…O's]], the link is broken? Is it because of those ellipses? {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
		+	:Sort of! "…" is different from "...", it's a single character rather than three periods. Try highlighting it and you can see. This is kind of like the difference between “curly quotes” and "straight quotes" - in both cases, the former is typically made via autocorrect in word processors or mobile keyboards, while the latter is preferred by the wiki. So while [[lady…ing]] and [[lady...ing]] may ''look'' the same, they are actually two different typed entries. --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 22:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	::I've added redirects to fix the issue. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 23:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	:::Thanks! {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
-	This is notice that vandalism of other wikis in the name of the Homestar Runner Wiki will not be tolerated. Anyone found vandalizing another wiki in our name will be blocked on this wiki for a duration at least as long as if the vandalism had occurred here. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:00, 18 February 2006 (UTC)	+	== Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual? ==
-	: I apologize greatly for what I have done in the past, and I accept full responsibility for what I did. It seems that I may have started a trend of wiki-vandalism, And I also apologize greatly for that. Since I trolled ''before'' this rule wa made, I kind of have a loophole out of this, but I would not mind spending the time off anyway. {{User: Seriously/sig}} 21:04, 18 February 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:: Look, you do not need to reply to every discussion out there. Sometimes, you can let things just speak for themselves. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:07, 18 February 2006 (UTC)	+
-	== Just a little question. ==	+	[[Strong Bad Email]] has been in the sidebar for as long as I can remember, presumably because it was the most popular and most actively updated portion of the website. With the Twitter account handily outpacing both sbemails and "H*R.com updates" (not to mention the [[CGI Paper]] directing viewers to tweet rather than email), might it be worth adding it over there? I know I regularly find myself navigating to the [[@StrongBadActual]] page(s) to fill out "Fast Forward" sections of pages or to find dates when an item or project was mentioned. --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 20:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	:I agree (and I'm not going to do the whole "Don't you think I agree" part, this isn't [[E-mail Birds]], but it is bird season.), and I fully support putting it there. It's a handy page and we've put a lot of work into cataloging every post made by strong bad on twitter, with fun facts to boot! So consider this my '''SUPPORT'''. ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 22:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	::I also '''SUPPORT'''. {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
		+	:::, So I '''SUPPORT''' this too, but I like having easy access to the Strong Bad Email page, considering I usually watch the sbemails by clicking on the external links. So, maybe we keep both? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
		+	::::Maybe we link to it as <code><nowiki>[[@StrongBadActual Tweets 2023|Twitter]]</nowiki></code> and put it above [[Strong Bad Email]] and underneath [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent changes]]? {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
		+	::::: GREAT IDEA! I like it! [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 18:00, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
-	Can blocked users still ''read'' the wiki? Just wondering.--{{User:Benol/sig}} 21:34, 18 February 2006 (UTC)	+	== Editing user pages ==
-	:Yes. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:35, 18 February 2006 (UTC)	+	Alright, so, I've been thinking. The block log has a lot of "user banned for editing userpages of other users". So, the main page, for example, has a system so only sysops can edit it. What if we add a system to all user pages that basically makes it impossible for anybody but the user to edit it? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
		+	:The thing is, I feel sysops / admins / wiki bots should probably still be able to edit user pages. For example, an admin fixing a bug on the page or a bot auto-replacing a link. But I agree that no one else should edit other user pages. Or somehow make a system where users can choose who can edit the page. {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}} 18:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
		+	::We already have [[HRWiki:User space#Ownership and editing of pages in the user space|explicit guidelines]] on who can and should edit user pages.  If a user page is edited for anything other than a legitimate reason, the edit typically gets quickly reverted. No harm done.  Anyone that might be banned in relation to user page edits is most likely doing it in a disruptive manner.  In any case, the block logs mostly include bans for spamming.  There really is no compelling reason to add user page security settings or tools for this.  --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
-	::They can also patrol edits and fix stuff on their preferences. {{User: Seriously/sig}} 23:44, 18 February 2006 (UTC)	+	== Wiki availability ==
-	:::Bit 'o firsthand knowledge, eh? I didn't think of patrolling edits. Thanks Seriously. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:51, 19 February 2006 (UTC)	+	For about the past week, I haven't been able to access the HRWiki, and downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently confirmed (and still does) that hrwiki.org is down. However, I see that plenty of edits have been made to the wiki in that time, so obviously it wasn't entirely down. Basically, I've been presented with a white screen that occasionally loaded the hills in the background and sometimes the Homestar logo in the top-left corner, and if I moved the mouse around the screen, it would recognize where links and drop-down menus were, but it wouldn't show me any text for the links and all. Any idea what may have happened/be happening? {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 20:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
-	::::Wow, I didn't know that... that's an interesting "feature" of mediawiki. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:06, 19 February 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:::::Firsthand knowledge. ''Not'' a good time in my life. Hehehe...{{User: Seriously/sig}}	+
-	== Two great ideas ==	+	:Hey Knights.  Usually, when a big update is released, wiki activity jumps exponentially and typically the wiki reaction times can slow down to a crawl.  Pages still load but they take forever and one must be patient.  Eventually that goes away as edits taper down.  However, for a site like "downforeveryoneorjustme", their timeout is likely far shorter than regular browsers when reporting if a site is down.  In your particular case it seems that not all website elements are loading and some may be timing out and not loading at all.  I'd typically expect that behavior during peak edit times.  Hope this helps a tiny bit! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 06:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
		+	::At some point I did see pages seemingly load but remain blank unless I interacted with the tab in some way, though that could have been a browser issue, it never really prevented me from accessing the wiki, and I haven't been experiencing it for a while. I've also had some "unable to connect" errors because sometimes when loading the wiki, it attempts to load an https URL. Most of the time, though, especially after a new release, it's been just slowdowns. {{User:DEIDATVM/sig}} 21:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
-	I have two great ideas.	+	=== Still Slow ===
		+	It seems that the wiki hasn't fully recovered from its slowdowns back in August.  In the last couple of months I've come across the Job Queue and [[MW:Manual:Job queue|this mediawiki page]] detailing what it is and how it's supposed to function.  I get the impression that currently, all jobs on the wiki are running when a page is being requested.  The page outlines a means by which the jobs can be run in the background (either via cron job or background process; I'd recommend the background process) and then the job run rate could be set to zero (so that pages aren't spending time running jobs while loading). Is this something that is already in place or could this perhaps be implemented in order to improve overall performance even during busy periods? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 11:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
-	1. We should list how many frames each toon is.	+	==glitch on the main pages ==
-	2. We should have a category for toons and emails with commercials in them.	+
-	What do you think? {{User:Homfrog/sig}} 18:13, 20 February 2006 (UTC)	+	Noticed a glitch on the main pages, done by holding the cursor on one of the buttons, and then moving away, and then moving your finger off the mouse. to see what this does and what I mean, refer to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgM-NA0Rja4 [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 21:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
		+	:There's a whole page about this. [[Main Page Glitches]] {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 21:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
-	:I don't think the number of frames in a toon is really notable.  I know of at least one case where it is, and it's noted [[Not the 100th Email!!!#Remarks|in the respective article]].  As for commercials, that's not something we would have a category for.&nbsp;-- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:52, 20 February 2006 (UTC)	+	== Why does the website still have the Halloween theme? ==
-	::It's also noted in [[500 The Cheats]], since counting the frames means counting The Cheats. Besides those two special cases, Running Time pretty much covers the burning question - which toon's longer. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:08, 20 February 2006 (UTC)	+	Halloween ended 18 days ago, and so did October in general, so why does the website still have the Hallow's Eve theme? --{{User:Cy4nIsN0tB1u3/sig}} 04:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
-	:And regarding #2, I don't think, unless the toon actually ''is'' a commercial, it's very useful. But it could be a useful category for such commercials, such as [[Meet Marshie]]. {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 21:11, 20 February 2006 (UTC)	+	:Because we're still waiting for the annual Fan Costumes toon to close out the season, even if we have to wait [[Decomposing Pumpkins|days after Thanksgiving]]. Also, because the sysops in charge of changing the wiki settings are busy people with lives and tend to wait a while to get around to it. -- [[Special:Contributions/68.37.43.131|68.37.43.131]] 23:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
-	::There are lots I can thing of, such as [[Meet Marshie]] (as mentioned 'bove), [[Cheat Commandos...O's]], [[Cheat Commandos]], [[Fluffy Puff Commercial]] (sort of), and [[Strong Bad Sings]] to name a few obivous ones. Add to that there's also several trailers, such as [[Peasant's Quest Movie Trailer]] and [[Peasant's Quest Preview]], plus [[In Search of the Yello Dello Theatrical Trailer]]. I'm not sure exactly how to sort 'em, I'm just listing. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:19, 20 February 2006 (UTC)	+
-	== Error ==	+	==New Fan Stumes’!==
-	Anyone else getting this when you hit "watchlist" or "Recent Changes"?	+	The 2023 Fan Stumes has been released! And not only that, but my costume from last year is the very first Strong Bad costume! That counts as a fun fact, right? We should probably note that like how we note when a wikian sent a email. [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 17:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
-	<pre>Parse error: parse error, unexpected ',' in /home/hrwiki/public_html/extensions/wfAutoDivide.php	+	== Permafrosted logo? ==
-	on line 19</pre>	+	The Decemberween themed logo is still up, but December ended 11 days ago. The weirdest part in my opinion is that there's no d'ween themed colors despide icicles and Homestar's hat. Is there something we're waiting for, like a new not-Decemberween toon?
		+	Yours truly,
		+	The guy who confused Dobbs for Daubs. {{unsigned|206.110.189.60|11 January 2024 16:34 (UTC)}}
-	Because I am. Any clue why? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:33, 20 February 2006 (UTC)	+	:I'm not an admin, but I'm assuming the style is simply for the winter season. Even though the Christmas lights have been taken down, it's still a chilly and snowy time of year for {{w|March equinox|at least another month and a half}}. (P.S. Even if you don't have an account, please sign your posts with four tildes: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 17:34, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
-	:It's been working fine for me. Has it just been happening occasionally, or everytime you try to access those pages? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:34, 20 February 2006 (UTC)	+	== Load times and potential solutions ==
-	::Each time. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:35, 20 February 2006 (UTC)	+	The wiki's been crawling along like something funny that crawls along for about a year now. This hasn't been much more than a minor inconvenience on my end, but it comes up pretty frequently on [https://www.reddit.com/r/HomestarRunner/ the Homestar subreddit], with a concerning number saying they haven't been able to access it at all. [https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/hrwiki.org downforeveryoneorjustme.com] consistently insists that the system is down. I don't know what the hosting situation is like, nor am I anything close to an expert on such things, so unfortunately I can't diagnose the issue... But, [[DNA Evidence|after <s>extensive</s> investigation]], I'm ready to release my findings.
		+	*[[Talk:Main Page#Still Slow]] {{--}} A few months ago, [[User:Stux|Stux]] proposed a solution involving MediaWiki's [[mw:Manual:Job queue|job queue]]. Seems like something worth looking into.
		+	*[https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/host-a-website-with-high-availability/ Host a Website with High Availability] {{--}} The wiki's web host Linode features a guide on how to host a website with high availability. I can understand at most seven words of this, and I'm not sure how well it applies to wikis, but it might be helpful to someone. (They also have guides for [https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/security/ssl/ enabling HTTPS], which improves security... Maybe performance too, but I've heard mixed things about that.)
		+	*[[Special:Version]] {{--}} The wiki is currently powered by MediaWiki 1.15, which released in 2011. Later versions have added collapsible elements, citation features, slideshow galleries, an optional visual editor interface, the ability to rename categories, and most relevant to this particular discussion, [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader improved performance]. The current stable release is 1.41.
		+	*[[HRWiki:Donations]] {{--}} I just discovered that [[HRWiki:2011 Server Move|the wiki moved servers in 2011]] to cut back on expenses, which [[HRWiki talk:2011 Server Move#Slowness|apparently resulted in slower load times]] (at least initially, while settings were still being optimized). According to [[Special:Ledger]], there haven't been any donations since then (additionally, it still lists FellowSites hosting dues instead of the new host). I've seen multiple people offering to donate if they could, so if the more recent slowness is once again a financial issue, it might help to [https://www.paypal.com/us/cshelp/article/ts2067 get the donation links working again].
		+	*{{p|l=http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsers&group=developer Special:ListUsers&group=developer}} {{--}} I have no way of knowing how actively people have been working on maintaining backend stuff, but I can see that of the six developers, only [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] and [[User:Tom|Tom]] have been editing consistently since 2016. I realize I'm asking quite a lot of two people at most, and I really don't want to be too demanding... so I can't help but wonder if my suggestions might seem more reasonable if there were more people responsible for backend maintenance. I'm not qualified for that sort of thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were active users with MediaWiki and/or web development experience. As much as I want this wiki to be accessible to more people, I really don't want anyone losing sleep over it.
		+	Anyway, sorry I can't offer more help than this, but I hope someone finds this stuff useful (and that I didn't get anything terribly wrong)! {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 01:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
		+	:Out of curiosity, I decided to use [[Special:Statistics]] and the WayBack Machine to calculate roughly how many people have been affected by the slow load times. After comparing the last seven months (from around the start of the slowdowns to now) to the seven months prior, I found that the average number of edits per day has decreased from 22 to 14, and the average number of active users has dropped from 27 to 17. That's a 37% decrease in ''both'' areas, leading me to believe they are linked by a common cause...
		+	:Unfortunately I couldn't figure out if that percentage corresponded to anything specific, like "37% of people use this certain type of Internet connection"... That information would tell me which people are having problems accessing the wiki, and from there I might be able to research a potential solution, assuming any of that works the way I think it does. Maybe I'll do an off-site poll somewhere, but I'd need to know what information would be most pertinent to ask... Would that be helpful at all? {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 05:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
-	:::What type of browser are you using? {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 21:37, 20 February 2006 (UTC)	+	Wait a minute, it seems fine now. What happened? {{unsigned|71.195.40.33|08:25, November 15, 2024 (UTC)}}
-	::::Opera 8.51, and it worked fine this morning and all along. I tried Firefox, it's fine there. Somehow sometime today Opera isn't liked anymore. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:46, 20 February 2006 (UTC)	+	== Availability of the wiki over https ==
-	I just experienced some problems, too. Up at the top of the recent changes page was some code or something, but more than what you had, and instead of "line 19" it was like 157 or something around there. It's gone now, but the font is all weird now. {{User:Salty/sig}} 00:43, 21 February 2006 (UTC)	+
-	:It's all fixed here too. Font seemed OK though. (I switched to Firefox for now because it handles the lags better, but Opera pulled up Watchlist just fine about 10 minutes ago.) {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:57, 21 February 2006 (UTC)	+
-	You each just happened to load those pages while I was tweaking this [[HRWiki:autocolumn|new extension]] at the exact moment I overlooked a semicolon at the end of a line or something. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 07:34, 21 February 2006 (UTC)	+
-	== The hat ==	+	Are there any plans to upgrade the wiki from http to https?
-		+	--{{User:UN_TACO/sig}} 00:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
-	What is going on with homestar's propeller cap? Whas he born with it or something? Or is it just stylish in his creepy, drippy, savvy world? I, I seriously don't know what savvy means, so i probably shouldn't have said it.-ken	+
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-	:Try the [[FAQ]]. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 03:34, 22 February 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	::I think Thunderbird meant [[HRWiki:FAQ]], not [[FAQ]]--{{User:Benol/sig}} 02:36, 23 February 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:::No, I'm pretty sure I meant the [[FAQ]]. In other words, check if The Brothers' Chaps have answered it. Then check the homestar propeller cap strategy guide. Then the propeller cap strategy guide strategy guide. Then email The Brothers' Chaps. And finally, get your mom to make you a Homestar propeller cap costume. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 02:39, 23 February 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	== Location ==	+
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-	Did anyone else notice that most of the users on the wiki live in the Midwestern United States? That's just a little fun fact. Remember, I said '''MOST'''. (I had to say that before any arguments got started.)--{{User:Benol/sig}} 19:21, 24 February 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:I don't think "Most" users (over 50%) of the wiki live anywhere in particular. They seem pretty scattered to me. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 19:26, 24 February 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	::Oh, and, for the record, I live in Georgia.--{{User:Benol/sig}} 19:46, 24 February 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:::I noticed that on your userpage. That's totally awsome. Keep on the watch for [[TBC]]. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 19:47, 24 February 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	::::Yeah, for all I know, They could be my next door neighbors. Like, what if they don't live in Atlanta, but they live in '''metro''' Atlanta, like me. I live really close to Douglasville, but none of you guys know where that is.--{{User:Benol/sig}} 19:50, 24 February 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:::::They live in "[[Flashforward_Interview_-_10_Feb_2006#Family_Affair|Decatur, Georgia, which is just east of Atlanta]]".  {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 19:56, 24 February 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	::::::I live south of Atlanta--{{User:Benol/sig}} 19:58, 24 February 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	== You have new messages! ==	+
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-	Do you think that we could make the You have new messages thing where it has a link so you can see the diff like Wikipedia's? like this:	+
-	<div class="usermessage">You have new [[Special:Mytalk|messages]]. '''(diff)'''</div>	+
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-	<br>--{{User:Benol/sig}} 15:11, 26 February 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:Not sure. It might be an upgrade that we have not gotten yet, like somethingin mediawiki 1.6.  That's what I think. &mdash; {{User: Seriously/sig}} 15:12, 26 February 2006 (UTC)	+
-	::Might be, but I'm tired of having new messages and not knowing who it's from or where they edited.--{{User:Benol/sig}} 15:27, 26 February 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	:::Well, Benol, if you look to the [[Special:Recentchanges|recent changes]], with the "You have new messages." banner still showing, scan the page for a '''bold''' change to your talk page. If you click the "diff" on that, you'll see where the message was left. Alternatively, you could check your talk page's history. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 15:34, 26 February 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	== They Might be Giants ==	+
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-	The song [[Experemetial Film]] is also on on the album "The spine hits the road. --{{User:The thing/sig}} 00:34, 27 February 2006 (UTC)	+
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-	== hsr down? ==	+
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-	has anyone else noticed that the site is down? {{user:Yourmomgoestocollege/sig}}	+

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Contents 1 sbemail templates 2 Trogday decor 3 How many references do you need? 4 Songs archive 5 dot dot dot 6 Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual? 7 Editing user pages 8 Wiki availability 8.1 Still Slow 9 glitch on the main pages 10 Why does the website still have the Halloween theme? 11 New Fan Stumes’! 12 Permafrosted logo? 13 Load times and potential solutions 14 Availability of the wiki over https

[edit] sbemail templates

See Talk:Strong Bad Email → sbemail templates

[edit] Trogday decor

Does the Featured content of the day (or whenever) template automatically switch to different links on certain days? Such as linking to dragon, Trogday '08 and other things when the time comes? Or is that done manually? Because tomorrow is Trogday. - HoveringSombrero (talk)

It's not automatic, but as you can see (at the time of this writing), the decorations were indeed put up to coincide with Trogday. — It's dot com 01:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

[edit] How many references do you need?

How many references to a thing need to be on a page for the thing the page is about to become a real page? Just curious because my mock-up seinfeld page includes eight references to the titular show. The page on The Big Lebowski has the same amount of references... so do I just make a Seinfeld page now? ----J∃ffJMan 20:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

done and done ----J∃ffJMan 20:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

See our inclusion guidelines. — It's dot com 21:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Songs archive

Would it be OK if I created a subpage to my user page with a complete archive of every existing song in the Homestar universe? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:28, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure we have that covered. — It's dot com 23:18, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Well, I was gonna add MP3 files with them, so people could download them and stuff. Is that still OK? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 00:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

No, that's not what the user space is for. — It's dot com 00:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

[edit] dot dot dot

Why come whenever I try to link to lady…ing and Cheat Commandos…O's, the link is broken? Is it because of those ellipses? — HoveringSombrero (talk)

Sort of! "…" is different from "...", it's a single character rather than three periods. Try highlighting it and you can see. This is kind of like the difference between “curly quotes” and "straight quotes" - in both cases, the former is typically made via autocorrect in word processors or mobile keyboards, while the latter is preferred by the wiki. So while lady…ing and lady...ing may look the same, they are actually two different typed entries. -- Bleu Ninja 22:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

I've added redirects to fix the issue. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 23:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! — HoveringSombrero (talk)

[edit] Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual?

Strong Bad Email has been in the sidebar for as long as I can remember, presumably because it was the most popular and most actively updated portion of the website. With the Twitter account handily outpacing both sbemails and "H*R.com updates" (not to mention the CGI Paper directing viewers to tweet rather than email), might it be worth adding it over there? I know I regularly find myself navigating to the @StrongBadActual page(s) to fill out "Fast Forward" sections of pages or to find dates when an item or project was mentioned. -- Bleu Ninja 20:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree (and I'm not going to do the whole "Don't you think I agree" part, this isn't E-mail Birds, but it is bird season.), and I fully support putting it there. It's a handy page and we've put a lot of work into cataloging every post made by strong bad on twitter, with fun facts to boot! So consider this my SUPPORT. ----J∃ffJMan 22:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I also SUPPORT. — HoveringSombrero (talk)

, So I SUPPORT this too, but I like having easy access to the Strong Bad Email page, considering I usually watch the sbemails by clicking on the external links. So, maybe we keep both? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Maybe we link to it as [[@StrongBadActual Tweets 2023|Twitter]] and put it above Strong Bad Email and underneath Recent changes? — HoveringSombrero (talk)

GREAT IDEA! I like it! I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 18:00, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Editing user pages

Alright, so, I've been thinking. The block log has a lot of "user banned for editing userpages of other users". So, the main page, for example, has a system so only sysops can edit it. What if we add a system to all user pages that basically makes it impossible for anybody but the user to edit it? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

The thing is, I feel sysops / admins / wiki bots should probably still be able to edit user pages. For example, an admin fixing a bug on the page or a bot auto-replacing a link. But I agree that no one else should edit other user pages. Or somehow make a system where users can choose who can edit the page. — HoveringSombrero (talk) 18:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

We already have explicit guidelines on who can and should edit user pages. If a user page is edited for anything other than a legitimate reason, the edit typically gets quickly reverted. No harm done. Anyone that might be banned in relation to user page edits is most likely doing it in a disruptive manner. In any case, the block logs mostly include bans for spamming. There really is no compelling reason to add user page security settings or tools for this. --Stux 21:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki availability

For about the past week, I haven't been able to access the HRWiki, and downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently confirmed (and still does) that hrwiki.org is down. However, I see that plenty of edits have been made to the wiki in that time, so obviously it wasn't entirely down. Basically, I've been presented with a white screen that occasionally loaded the hills in the background and sometimes the Homestar logo in the top-left corner, and if I moved the mouse around the screen, it would recognize where links and drop-down menus were, but it wouldn't show me any text for the links and all. Any idea what may have happened/be happening? The Knights Who Say Ni 20:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Hey Knights. Usually, when a big update is released, wiki activity jumps exponentially and typically the wiki reaction times can slow down to a crawl. Pages still load but they take forever and one must be patient. Eventually that goes away as edits taper down. However, for a site like "downforeveryoneorjustme", their timeout is likely far shorter than regular browsers when reporting if a site is down. In your particular case it seems that not all website elements are loading and some may be timing out and not loading at all. I'd typically expect that behavior during peak edit times. Hope this helps a tiny bit! --Stux 06:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

At some point I did see pages seemingly load but remain blank unless I interacted with the tab in some way, though that could have been a browser issue, it never really prevented me from accessing the wiki, and I haven't been experiencing it for a while. I've also had some "unable to connect" errors because sometimes when loading the wiki, it attempts to load an https URL. Most of the time, though, especially after a new release, it's been just slowdowns. DEI DAT VM^┌_{datvm center}\^{super contra}_┘ 21:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Still Slow

It seems that the wiki hasn't fully recovered from its slowdowns back in August. In the last couple of months I've come across the Job Queue and this mediawiki page detailing what it is and how it's supposed to function. I get the impression that currently, all jobs on the wiki are running when a page is being requested. The page outlines a means by which the jobs can be run in the background (either via cron job or background process; I'd recommend the background process) and then the job run rate could be set to zero (so that pages aren't spending time running jobs while loading). Is this something that is already in place or could this perhaps be implemented in order to improve overall performance even during busy periods? --Stux 11:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

[edit] glitch on the main pages

Noticed a glitch on the main pages, done by holding the cursor on one of the buttons, and then moving away, and then moving your finger off the mouse. to see what this does and what I mean, refer to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgM-NA0Rja4 I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 21:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

There's a whole page about this. Main Page Glitches Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 21:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Why does the website still have the Halloween theme?

Halloween ended 18 days ago, and so did October in general, so why does the website still have the Hallow's Eve theme? --Cy4nIsN0tB1u3 04:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Because we're still waiting for the annual Fan Costumes toon to close out the season, even if we have to wait days after Thanksgiving. Also, because the sysops in charge of changing the wiki settings are busy people with lives and tend to wait a while to get around to it. -- 68.37.43.131 23:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

[edit] New Fan Stumes’!

The 2023 Fan Stumes has been released! And not only that, but my costume from last year is the very first Strong Bad costume! That counts as a fun fact, right? We should probably note that like how we note when a wikian sent a email. I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 17:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Permafrosted logo?

The Decemberween themed logo is still up, but December ended 11 days ago. The weirdest part in my opinion is that there's no d'ween themed colors despide icicles and Homestar's hat. Is there something we're waiting for, like a new not-Decemberween toon? Yours truly, The guy who confused Dobbs for Daubs. — 206.110.189.60 (Talk | contribs) 11 January 2024 16:34 (UTC) (left unsigned)

I'm not an admin, but I'm assuming the style is simply for the winter season. Even though the Christmas lights have been taken down, it's still a chilly and snowy time of year for at least another month and a half. (P.S. Even if you don't have an account, please sign your posts with four tildes: ~~~~) -- Bleu Ninja 17:34, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

[edit] Load times and potential solutions

The wiki's been crawling along like something funny that crawls along for about a year now. This hasn't been much more than a minor inconvenience on my end, but it comes up pretty frequently on the Homestar subreddit, with a concerning number saying they haven't been able to access it at all. downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently insists that the system is down. I don't know what the hosting situation is like, nor am I anything close to an expert on such things, so unfortunately I can't diagnose the issue... But, after extensive investigation, I'm ready to release my findings.

• Talk:Main Page#Still Slow — A few months ago, Stux proposed a solution involving MediaWiki's job queue. Seems like something worth looking into.
• Host a Website with High Availability — The wiki's web host Linode features a guide on how to host a website with high availability. I can understand at most seven words of this, and I'm not sure how well it applies to wikis, but it might be helpful to someone. (They also have guides for enabling HTTPS, which improves security... Maybe performance too, but I've heard mixed things about that.)
• Special:Version — The wiki is currently powered by MediaWiki 1.15, which released in 2011. Later versions have added collapsible elements, citation features, slideshow galleries, an optional visual editor interface, the ability to rename categories, and most relevant to this particular discussion, improved performance. The current stable release is 1.41.
• HRWiki:Donations — I just discovered that the wiki moved servers in 2011 to cut back on expenses, which apparently resulted in slower load times (at least initially, while settings were still being optimized). According to Special:Ledger, there haven't been any donations since then (additionally, it still lists FellowSites hosting dues instead of the new host). I've seen multiple people offering to donate if they could, so if the more recent slowness is once again a financial issue, it might help to get the donation links working again.
• Special:ListUsers&group=developer — I have no way of knowing how actively people have been working on maintaining backend stuff, but I can see that of the six developers, only It's dot com and Tom have been editing consistently since 2016. I realize I'm asking quite a lot of two people at most, and I really don't want to be too demanding... so I can't help but wonder if my suggestions might seem more reasonable if there were more people responsible for backend maintenance. I'm not qualified for that sort of thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were active users with MediaWiki and/or web development experience. As much as I want this wiki to be accessible to more people, I really don't want anyone losing sleep over it.

Anyway, sorry I can't offer more help than this, but I hope someone finds this stuff useful (and that I didn't get anything terribly wrong)! Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 01:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, I decided to use Special:Statistics and the WayBack Machine to calculate roughly how many people have been affected by the slow load times. After comparing the last seven months (from around the start of the slowdowns to now) to the seven months prior, I found that the average number of edits per day has decreased from 22 to 14, and the average number of active users has dropped from 27 to 17. That's a 37% decrease in both areas, leading me to believe they are linked by a common cause...

Unfortunately I couldn't figure out if that percentage corresponded to anything specific, like "37% of people use this certain type of Internet connection"... That information would tell me which people are having problems accessing the wiki, and from there I might be able to research a potential solution, assuming any of that works the way I think it does. Maybe I'll do an off-site poll somewhere, but I'd need to know what information would be most pertinent to ask... Would that be helpful at all? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 05:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Wait a minute, it seems fine now. What happened? — 71.195.40.33 (Talk | contribs) 08:25, November 15, 2024 (UTC) (left unsigned)

[edit] Availability of the wiki over https

Are there any plans to upgrade the wiki from http to https? --UN TACO 00:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)