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''It has been [[HRWiki talk:Main page redesign|suggested]] that the Main Page be redesigned. Feel free to use [[HRWiki:Main page redesign|its project page]] for proposed redesigns.''
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== sbemail templates ==
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:''See [[Talk:Strong Bad Email#sbemail templates|Talk:Strong Bad Email → sbemail templates]]''
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== Trogday decor ==
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== Main Page Templates ==
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Does the '''Featured content of the day (or whenever)''' template automatically switch to different links on certain days? Such as linking to [[dragon]], [[Trogday '08]] and other things when the time comes? Or is that done manually? Because tomorrow is Trogday. - [[User:HoveringSombrero|HoveringSombrero]] ([[User talk:HoveringSombrero|talk]]) [[File:Shoulder shoomps.png|23px]]
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Is there a page for the Main Page templates I can copy for the [http://flash.wikia.com Flash Wiki?] Or is it part of the .css file?
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:It's not automatic, but as you can see (at the time of this writing), the decorations were indeed put up to coincide with Trogday. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
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:The classes used for the Main Page templates are indeed part of the [[MediaWiki:Common.css|CSS]] file. If you wish to use this code, you'll have to attribute it to HRWiki in accordance with our [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/ creative commons deed]. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 21:23, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
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== How many references do you need? ==
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::I promise I will. But can somebody copy the code for me? PLEASE? [[User:63.230.104.26|63.230.104.26]] 22:29, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
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How many references to a thing need to be on a page for the thing the page is about to become a real page? Just curious because my mock-up seinfeld page includes eight references to the titular show. The page on [[The Big Lebowski]] has the same amount of references... so do I just make a [[Seinfeld]] page now? ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 20:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
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:done and done ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 20:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
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::See our [[HRWiki:Inclusion guidelines|inclusion guidelines]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
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:::Click on CSS in Lapper's post for the CSS file itself. You can copy it from there. And, by the way, it's not really "code", it's a style sheet which styles HTML markup. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 05:52, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
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== Songs archive ==
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== Update... March 8 ==
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Would it be OK if I created a subpage to my user page with a complete archive of every existing song in the Homestar universe? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:28, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
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:I'm pretty sure we [[Songs|have that covered]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:18, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
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::Well, I was gonna add MP3 files with them, so people could download them and stuff. Is that still OK? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 00:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
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:::No, that's not what the user space is for. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
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Theres a new quote of the week by the KOT >.> --[[User:124.185.236.202|124.185.236.202]] 17:21, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
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== dot dot dot ==
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:Thanks! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
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== Toon: ==
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Why come whenever I try to link to [[lady…ing]] and [[Cheat Commandos…O's]], the link is broken? Is it because of those ellipses? {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
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Perhaps, for every page that has links to a Toon, it should have "Toon:". Like how it is for every toon that has a link to an email. This could help make all of the pages cleaner and presentable towards everyone that comes here.--[[User:Dr. Watson|Dr. Watson]] 20:48, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
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:Sort of! "…" is different from "...", it's a single character rather than three periods. Try highlighting it and you can see. This is kind of like the difference between “curly quotes” and "straight quotes" - in both cases, the former is typically made via autocorrect in word processors or mobile keyboards, while the latter is preferred by the wiki. So while [[lady…ing]] and [[lady...ing]] may ''look'' the same, they are actually two different typed entries. --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 22:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
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:I don't think that's necessary. They're all toons. We use the email label to highlight them, for some reason. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:52, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
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::I've added redirects to fix the issue. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 23:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
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::Then why not just get rid of the email label. Maybe it's just me, but I was noticing that it would look better either way. Either way meaning, also with the toon label, or with out the email label.--[[User:Dr. Watson|Dr. Watson]] 20:59, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
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:::Thanks! {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
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Dr. Watson is right. It would look better, probably without the 'toon' or'email' label or whatever. {{User:Visorbot 386/sig}} 01:53, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
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== Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual? ==
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:Actually, I've seen it without the email label (generally right before I add it), and I just don't like it. It doesn't look as good. I think it needs it oftentimes because, in a list, it looks slightly off, due to the lowercaseness of the email titles. Also, toons, games, and other such items have more title-like names, whereas the emails are titled with just simple words. The email qualifier in the title makes it look better. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 03:57, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
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== Two That Need To Be Revisited ==
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[[Strong Bad Email]] has been in the sidebar for as long as I can remember, presumably because it was the most popular and most actively updated portion of the website. With the Twitter account handily outpacing both sbemails and "H*R.com updates" (not to mention the [[CGI Paper]] directing viewers to tweet rather than email), might it be worth adding it over there? I know I regularly find myself navigating to the [[@StrongBadActual]] page(s) to fill out "Fast Forward" sections of pages or to find dates when an item or project was mentioned. --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 20:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
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:I agree (and I'm not going to do the whole "Don't you think I agree" part, this isn't [[E-mail Birds]], but it is bird season.), and I fully support putting it there. It's a handy page and we've put a lot of work into cataloging every post made by strong bad on twitter, with fun facts to boot! So consider this my '''SUPPORT'''. ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 22:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
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::I also '''SUPPORT'''. {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
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:::, So I '''SUPPORT''' this too, but I like having easy access to the Strong Bad Email page, considering I usually watch the sbemails by clicking on the external links. So, maybe we keep both? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
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::::Maybe we link to it as <code><nowiki>[[@StrongBadActual Tweets 2023|Twitter]]</nowiki></code> and put it above [[Strong Bad Email]] and underneath [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent changes]]? {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
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::::: GREAT IDEA! I like it! [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 18:00, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
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I've been checking up on [[HRWiki:Spoken Articles]] and [[HRWiki:Favicon]] for a long time now to see if anyone else cares about them besides me. Both of these projects began about a year ago, were overshadowed by other issues, and forgotten. I've been trying to get these pages noticed again (a posted note on Spoken Articles about a month ago yielded no response), but it seems they might be in limbo forever. I'd like to revisit these projects again and make the decisions that we put off. Are Spoken Articles beneficial and useful? Should we change our favicon and, if so, what to? These are unsettling questions that we shouldn't forget about. Let's not let these projects gather dust. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 21:12, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
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== Editing user pages ==
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:I've been dying to help out with the Spoken Articles.  We ''do'' need to bring these projects back! <small>new sig!</small>--{{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 21:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
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::Thank you! If it were socially acceptable (or even possible) to hug you, I would! Now I hope ''this'' topic doesn't get ignored or I might just have to resort to asking users in their talk pages to help me out on this one. If we start these projects up again, we can finally resolve some of these issues. <small> By the way, your sig looks great. It changed on my userpage, too. </small> -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 21:53, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
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:::Why, thank you.  Heh heh, yeah.  Just some advice though: once you get a microphone, make sure it is a headset.  I have a real good headset, and it only cost me 12 dollars at Wal-Mart.  Because normal mics sometimes tend to be unclear.  Good jokes, {{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 21:59, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
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::::The hug thing? I just say that a lot. It has nothing to do with you personally. As for the advice, thanks for it. If we can get a couple more people in here (or better yet, a couple dozen people), maybe the ball could get rolling again with these projects. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 22:05, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
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:::::I've always been confined to gnome work around here. I'd love to finally do something major, but I don't own a microphone of any kind, so I guess I could help with the Favicon thing. &mdash; {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 18:08, 11 March 2007
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::::::<laughs> Join the club. I don't own a microphone either. But by the looks of it it should be pretty easy to get one. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 22:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
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I intend to pick the favicon discussion up very soon, but I think the spoken articles project fell by the wayside because it should have. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:34, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
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:Ah, c'mon, Dot Com.  We'll do it one day.  When the Wiki is a little more wealthier.  Brightstar, I know, I was just teasing you. ;-).  I like the favcon as it is, actually. --{{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 01:44, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
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::Dot Com, we may not actually record many articles, but this is giving us an excuse to work on the FAs to make them perfect. Once you see how great they look, maybe you'll see our point in this. As for the favicon, Yellowdart, we need to change it because of copyright reasons. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 01:48, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
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== Suggestions for articles ==
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Alright, so, I've been thinking. The block log has a lot of "user banned for editing userpages of other users". So, the main page, for example, has a system so only sysops can edit it. What if we add a system to all user pages that basically makes it impossible for anybody but the user to edit it? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
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Question: does anyone think I should make some kind of article on how things like "Marshie", "Musty", and Delicious "Bag" all have quotes around a word?  They are all food items, and it seems like more than just a coincidence...feedback?--{{User:NevaDie/sig}} 20:59, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
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:The thing is, I feel sysops / admins / wiki bots should probably still be able to edit user pages. For example, an admin fixing a bug on the page or a bot auto-replacing a link. But I agree that no one else should edit other user pages. Or somehow make a system where users can choose who can edit the page. {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}} 18:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
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::We already have [[HRWiki:User space#Ownership and editing of pages in the user space|explicit guidelines]] on who can and should edit user pages.  If a user page is edited for anything other than a legitimate reason, the edit typically gets quickly reverted. No harm done.  Anyone that might be banned in relation to user page edits is most likely doing it in a disruptive manner.  In any case, the block logs mostly include bans for spamming.  There really is no compelling reason to add user page security settings or tools for this.  --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
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== NEW EMAIL! ==
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== Wiki availability ==
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I new email was put up litterally like 5 minutes ago from when I am typing this. I THINK I MAY HAVE BEEN THE FIRST VIEWER TO SEE IT! WOO! It's called '''FUNERAL'''. --[[User:TheDenzel|The Denzel]] 01:36, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
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:Actually, it's called [[your funeral]]. I wonder if TBC had heard about the Bluffton bus accident when they made this. It really made me think of it... -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 01:41, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
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::As I have no idea what you're talking about, I think it's likely that's irrelevent to the email. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:02, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
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:::Umm... don't worry about it. It's most likely irrelevent and if you don't know what it is, that's a good thing. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 02:08, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
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== Problems ==
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My friend (Supremoace970 on the HRFWiki) is having viewing problems and cannot view anything on the H*R site? Any info? {{User:Count X/sig}} 07:20, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
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* I seem to be having the same problem. Argh! The site has been giving me trouble the past couple weeks, but nothing this bad. --[[User:Positatewithoutpizzaz|Positatewithoutpizzaz]] 08:43, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
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== New weeklies ==
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For about the past week, I haven't been able to access the HRWiki, and downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently confirmed (and still does) that hrwiki.org is down. However, I see that plenty of edits have been made to the wiki in that time, so obviously it wasn't entirely down. Basically, I've been presented with a white screen that occasionally loaded the hills in the background and sometimes the Homestar logo in the top-left corner, and if I moved the mouse around the screen, it would recognize where links and drop-down menus were, but it wouldn't show me any text for the links and all. Any idea what may have happened/be happening? {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 20:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
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There's a new Quote, Fanstuff, and sketch book.
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:Hey Knights.  Usually, when a big update is released, wiki activity jumps exponentially and typically the wiki reaction times can slow down to a crawl. Pages still load but they take forever and one must be patient.  Eventually that goes away as edits taper down.  However, for a site like "downforeveryoneorjustme", their timeout is likely far shorter than regular browsers when reporting if a site is down.  In your particular case it seems that not all website elements are loading and some may be timing out and not loading at all. I'd typically expect that behavior during peak edit times.  Hope this helps a tiny bit! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 06:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
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That will be all.
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::At some point I did see pages seemingly load but remain blank unless I interacted with the tab in some way, though that could have been a browser issue, it never really prevented me from accessing the wiki, and I haven't been experiencing it for a while. I've also had some "unable to connect" errors because sometimes when loading the wiki, it attempts to load an https URL. Most of the time, though, especially after a new release, it's been just slowdowns. {{User:DEIDATVM/sig}} 21:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
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--[[User:Collin Diver|Collin Diver]] 22:33, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
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== Homestar Runner (body of work) ==
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=== Still Slow ===
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It seems that the wiki hasn't fully recovered from its slowdowns back in August.  In the last couple of months I've come across the Job Queue and [[MW:Manual:Job queue|this mediawiki page]] detailing what it is and how it's supposed to function.  I get the impression that currently, all jobs on the wiki are running when a page is being requested.  The page outlines a means by which the jobs can be run in the background (either via cron job or background process; I'd recommend the background process) and then the job run rate could be set to zero (so that pages aren't spending time running jobs while loading).  Is this something that is already in place or could this perhaps be implemented in order to improve overall performance even during busy periods? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 11:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
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I'd like to go ahead and move [[Homestar Runner (body of work)|Homestar Runner (Flash cartoon)]] to [[Homestar Runner (body of work)]] soon. I'm posting here to give some visibility to the discussion linked below. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:29, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
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==glitch on the main pages ==
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:''Please direct any comments to [[Talk:Homestar Runner (body of work)#body of work (revisited)|Talk:Homestar Runner (Flash cartoon) &rarr; body of work (revisited)]].''
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::This is now done. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 08:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
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:Note: ''There is a discussion on appropriate linking [[HRWiki talk:Manual of Style#Body of work|here]].''
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== Conjecture template ==
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Noticed a glitch on the main pages, done by holding the cursor on one of the buttons, and then moving away, and then moving your finger off the mouse. to see what this does and what I mean, refer to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgM-NA0Rja4 [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 21:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
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:There's a whole page about this. [[Main Page Glitches]] {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 21:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
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Anyone think it's time to make one of those templates that says that the title of an article isn't official? I got the idea from [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Conjecture Wookiepedia's template], and I think it would apply to a bunch of articles, like [[Balding Man]], [[Shadowy Figure]], and others. {{User:Dr._Clash/sig}} 20:30, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
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== Why does the website still have the Halloween theme? ==
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:I'm... hesitant. I don't really like th' idea... I can't say why, but it just doesn't sit right with me. Templates aren't supposed to stay on pages for an extended period of time. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
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Halloween ended 18 days ago, and so did October in general, so why does the website still have the Hallow's Eve theme? --{{User:Cy4nIsN0tB1u3/sig}} 04:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
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::I don't think we need it. We ought to be able to word an article such that merely reading it leaves you with the correct impression of whether the title is a name or not. We could also move those to "Balding man" and "Shadowy figure" so that it's easier to tell. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:55, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
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:Because we're still waiting for the annual Fan Costumes toon to close out the season, even if we have to wait [[Decomposing Pumpkins|days after Thanksgiving]]. Also, because the sysops in charge of changing the wiki settings are busy people with lives and tend to wait a while to get around to it. -- [[Special:Contributions/68.37.43.131|68.37.43.131]] 23:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
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== Whodunnit? ==
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==New Fan Stumes’!==
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Who changed the captchas? There all H*R related now. Sweet! --SD...not signed in.
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== April 1 Update? ==
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The 2023 Fan Stumes has been released! And not only that, but my costume from last year is the very first Strong Bad costume! That counts as a fun fact, right? We should probably note that like how we note when a wikian sent a email. [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 17:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
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Anybody spied an April Fools update yet on the main site?--[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 14:22, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
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== Permafrosted logo? ==
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Nope. I think they keep updating late because of the baby. {{User:Strong Devon/sig}}
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The Decemberween themed logo is still up, but December ended 11 days ago. The weirdest part in my opinion is that there's no d'ween themed colors despide icicles and Homestar's hat. Is there something we're waiting for, like a new not-Decemberween toon?
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:Baby? -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Like, it's totally Brightstar!]]
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Yours truly,
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::[[Very, Very Little Girl]]. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 16:44, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
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The guy who confused Dobbs for Daubs. {{unsigned|206.110.189.60|11 January 2024 16:34 (UTC)}}
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:::Do you still think they will update? I'm beginning to get doughtful. [[User:Homestar-winner|Homestar-winner]] 16:51, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
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::::...or maybe not making an April Fool's joke is the whole joke... --{{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 17:09, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
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:::::Well, they hardly EVER update on weekends, so I'm hoping for one tomorrow.--{{User:X66x66/sig}} 19:03, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
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::::::UPDATED!!! {{User:The thing/sig}} 20:23, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
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:::::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>raises eyebrow* That wasn't funny...--{{User:Color Printer/sig}} 20:25, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
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::::::::Yeah, I think they'll just update tomorrow...maybe even late tomorrow.--Zephiel
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:::::::::Dang! Still nothing?! Oh well... They'd better not skimp out on us tomorrow!... (just kidding!) Anyways, great job with that "Shut Down" screen immediately redirecting to the donations page! Already got a ton of dough, yo! [[User:4kai2lyn6|Not me at all]]
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== April One side effect? ==
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:I'm not an admin, but I'm assuming the style is simply for the winter season. Even though the Christmas lights have been taken down, it's still a chilly and snowy time of year for {{w|March equinox|at least another month and a half}}. (P.S. Even if you don't have an account, please sign your posts with four tildes: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 17:34, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
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Hey, you guys know the neat little Capthca images put up for April One also work on pages that NEED them right? The move page to name one. Just saying, it's a little alarming. But, I've been known to overreact. OH MY GOD SOMEONE SENT ME AN EMAIL! {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 00:21, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
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== Load times and potential solutions ==
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:Why is it alarming? They're still captcha images. They're still not machine-readable. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:26, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
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::Willy on Wheels can now constructively edit twice as fast. ;-) But, seriosuly, I'm probably just overreacting. Although, I do think it kinda weakens security. Of course, there are sysops here a lot, so, yeah. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 00:28, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
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:::This is a seriously alarming affair. I recommend weeping into your pillow. Often. Numerously. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:58, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
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== Getting nervous ==
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The wiki's been crawling along like something funny that crawls along for about a year now. This hasn't been much more than a minor inconvenience on my end, but it comes up pretty frequently on [https://www.reddit.com/r/HomestarRunner/ the Homestar subreddit], with a concerning number saying they haven't been able to access it at all. [https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/hrwiki.org downforeveryoneorjustme.com] consistently insists that the system is down. I don't know what the hosting situation is like, nor am I anything close to an expert on such things, so unfortunately I can't diagnose the issue... But, [[DNA Evidence|after <s>extensive</s> investigation]], I'm ready to release my findings.
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*[[Talk:Main Page#Still Slow]] {{--}} A few months ago, [[User:Stux|Stux]] proposed a solution involving MediaWiki's [[mw:Manual:Job queue|job queue]]. Seems like something worth looking into.
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*[https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/host-a-website-with-high-availability/ Host a Website with High Availability] {{--}} The wiki's web host Linode features a guide on how to host a website with high availability. I can understand at most seven words of this, and I'm not sure how well it applies to wikis, but it might be helpful to someone. (They also have guides for [https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/security/ssl/ enabling HTTPS], which improves security... Maybe performance too, but I've heard mixed things about that.)
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*[[Special:Version]] {{--}} The wiki is currently powered by MediaWiki 1.15, which released in 2011. Later versions have added collapsible elements, citation features, slideshow galleries, an optional visual editor interface, the ability to rename categories, and most relevant to this particular discussion, [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader improved performance]. The current stable release is 1.41.
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*[[HRWiki:Donations]] {{--}} I just discovered that [[HRWiki:2011 Server Move|the wiki moved servers in 2011]] to cut back on expenses, which [[HRWiki talk:2011 Server Move#Slowness|apparently resulted in slower load times]] (at least initially, while settings were still being optimized). According to [[Special:Ledger]], there haven't been any donations since then (additionally, it still lists FellowSites hosting dues instead of the new host). I've seen multiple people offering to donate if they could, so if the more recent slowness is once again a financial issue, it might help to [https://www.paypal.com/us/cshelp/article/ts2067 get the donation links working again].
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*{{p|l=http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsers&group=developer Special:ListUsers&group=developer}} {{--}} I have no way of knowing how actively people have been working on maintaining backend stuff, but I can see that of the six developers, only [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] and [[User:Tom|Tom]] have been editing consistently since 2016. I realize I'm asking quite a lot of two people at most, and I really don't want to be too demanding... so I can't help but wonder if my suggestions might seem more reasonable if there were more people responsible for backend maintenance. I'm not qualified for that sort of thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were active users with MediaWiki and/or web development experience. As much as I want this wiki to be accessible to more people, I really don't want anyone losing sleep over it.
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Anyway, sorry I can't offer more help than this, but I hope someone finds this stuff useful (and that I didn't get anything terribly wrong)! {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 01:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
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:Look, The Brothers Chaps aren't the only people in their family. If something bad happened, then another member of their family would probably tell us on the website. Don't forget, they have a baby now. --{{User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3/sig}} 18:44, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] sbemail templates

See Talk:Strong Bad Email → sbemail templates

[edit] Trogday decor

Does the Featured content of the day (or whenever) template automatically switch to different links on certain days? Such as linking to dragon, Trogday '08 and other things when the time comes? Or is that done manually? Because tomorrow is Trogday. - HoveringSombrero (talk)

It's not automatic, but as you can see (at the time of this writing), the decorations were indeed put up to coincide with Trogday. — It's dot com 01:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

[edit] How many references do you need?

How many references to a thing need to be on a page for the thing the page is about to become a real page? Just curious because my mock-up seinfeld page includes eight references to the titular show. The page on The Big Lebowski has the same amount of references... so do I just make a Seinfeld page now? ----J∃ffJMan 20:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

done and done ----J∃ffJMan 20:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
See our inclusion guidelines. — It's dot com 21:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Songs archive

Would it be OK if I created a subpage to my user page with a complete archive of every existing song in the Homestar universe? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:28, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure we have that covered. — It's dot com 23:18, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
Well, I was gonna add MP3 files with them, so people could download them and stuff. Is that still OK? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 00:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
No, that's not what the user space is for. — It's dot com 00:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

[edit] dot dot dot

Why come whenever I try to link to lady…ing and Cheat Commandos…O's, the link is broken? Is it because of those ellipses? — HoveringSombrero (talk)

Sort of! "…" is different from "...", it's a single character rather than three periods. Try highlighting it and you can see. This is kind of like the difference between “curly quotes” and "straight quotes" - in both cases, the former is typically made via autocorrect in word processors or mobile keyboards, while the latter is preferred by the wiki. So while lady…ing and lady...ing may look the same, they are actually two different typed entries. -- Bleu Ninja 22:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
I've added redirects to fix the issue. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 23:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Thanks! — HoveringSombrero (talk)

[edit] Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual?

Strong Bad Email has been in the sidebar for as long as I can remember, presumably because it was the most popular and most actively updated portion of the website. With the Twitter account handily outpacing both sbemails and "H*R.com updates" (not to mention the CGI Paper directing viewers to tweet rather than email), might it be worth adding it over there? I know I regularly find myself navigating to the @StrongBadActual page(s) to fill out "Fast Forward" sections of pages or to find dates when an item or project was mentioned. -- Bleu Ninja 20:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree (and I'm not going to do the whole "Don't you think I agree" part, this isn't E-mail Birds, but it is bird season.), and I fully support putting it there. It's a handy page and we've put a lot of work into cataloging every post made by strong bad on twitter, with fun facts to boot! So consider this my SUPPORT. ----J∃ffJMan 22:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
I also SUPPORT. — HoveringSombrero (talk)
, So I SUPPORT this too, but I like having easy access to the Strong Bad Email page, considering I usually watch the sbemails by clicking on the external links. So, maybe we keep both? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
Maybe we link to it as [[@StrongBadActual Tweets 2023|Twitter]] and put it above Strong Bad Email and underneath Recent changes? — HoveringSombrero (talk)
GREAT IDEA! I like it! I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 18:00, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Editing user pages

Alright, so, I've been thinking. The block log has a lot of "user banned for editing userpages of other users". So, the main page, for example, has a system so only sysops can edit it. What if we add a system to all user pages that basically makes it impossible for anybody but the user to edit it? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

The thing is, I feel sysops / admins / wiki bots should probably still be able to edit user pages. For example, an admin fixing a bug on the page or a bot auto-replacing a link. But I agree that no one else should edit other user pages. Or somehow make a system where users can choose who can edit the page. — HoveringSombrero (talk) 18:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
We already have explicit guidelines on who can and should edit user pages. If a user page is edited for anything other than a legitimate reason, the edit typically gets quickly reverted. No harm done. Anyone that might be banned in relation to user page edits is most likely doing it in a disruptive manner. In any case, the block logs mostly include bans for spamming. There really is no compelling reason to add user page security settings or tools for this. --Stux 21:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki availability

For about the past week, I haven't been able to access the HRWiki, and downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently confirmed (and still does) that hrwiki.org is down. However, I see that plenty of edits have been made to the wiki in that time, so obviously it wasn't entirely down. Basically, I've been presented with a white screen that occasionally loaded the hills in the background and sometimes the Homestar logo in the top-left corner, and if I moved the mouse around the screen, it would recognize where links and drop-down menus were, but it wouldn't show me any text for the links and all. Any idea what may have happened/be happening? The Knights Who Say Ni 20:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Hey Knights. Usually, when a big update is released, wiki activity jumps exponentially and typically the wiki reaction times can slow down to a crawl. Pages still load but they take forever and one must be patient. Eventually that goes away as edits taper down. However, for a site like "downforeveryoneorjustme", their timeout is likely far shorter than regular browsers when reporting if a site is down. In your particular case it seems that not all website elements are loading and some may be timing out and not loading at all. I'd typically expect that behavior during peak edit times. Hope this helps a tiny bit! --Stux 06:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
At some point I did see pages seemingly load but remain blank unless I interacted with the tab in some way, though that could have been a browser issue, it never really prevented me from accessing the wiki, and I haven't been experiencing it for a while. I've also had some "unable to connect" errors because sometimes when loading the wiki, it attempts to load an https URL. Most of the time, though, especially after a new release, it's been just slowdowns. DEI DAT VMdatvm center\super contra 21:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Still Slow

It seems that the wiki hasn't fully recovered from its slowdowns back in August. In the last couple of months I've come across the Job Queue and this mediawiki page detailing what it is and how it's supposed to function. I get the impression that currently, all jobs on the wiki are running when a page is being requested. The page outlines a means by which the jobs can be run in the background (either via cron job or background process; I'd recommend the background process) and then the job run rate could be set to zero (so that pages aren't spending time running jobs while loading). Is this something that is already in place or could this perhaps be implemented in order to improve overall performance even during busy periods? --Stux 11:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

[edit] glitch on the main pages

Noticed a glitch on the main pages, done by holding the cursor on one of the buttons, and then moving away, and then moving your finger off the mouse. to see what this does and what I mean, refer to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgM-NA0Rja4 I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 21:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

There's a whole page about this. Main Page Glitches Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 21:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Why does the website still have the Halloween theme?

Halloween ended 18 days ago, and so did October in general, so why does the website still have the Hallow's Eve theme? --Cy4nIsN0tB1u3 04:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Because we're still waiting for the annual Fan Costumes toon to close out the season, even if we have to wait days after Thanksgiving. Also, because the sysops in charge of changing the wiki settings are busy people with lives and tend to wait a while to get around to it. -- 68.37.43.131 23:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

[edit] New Fan Stumes’!

The 2023 Fan Stumes has been released! And not only that, but my costume from last year is the very first Strong Bad costume! That counts as a fun fact, right? We should probably note that like how we note when a wikian sent a email. I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 17:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Permafrosted logo?

The Decemberween themed logo is still up, but December ended 11 days ago. The weirdest part in my opinion is that there's no d'ween themed colors despide icicles and Homestar's hat. Is there something we're waiting for, like a new not-Decemberween toon? Yours truly, The guy who confused Dobbs for Daubs. — 206.110.189.60 (Talk | contribs) 11 January 2024 16:34 (UTC) (left unsigned)

I'm not an admin, but I'm assuming the style is simply for the winter season. Even though the Christmas lights have been taken down, it's still a chilly and snowy time of year for at least another month and a half. (P.S. Even if you don't have an account, please sign your posts with four tildes: ~~~~) -- Bleu Ninja 17:34, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

[edit] Load times and potential solutions

The wiki's been crawling along like something funny that crawls along for about a year now. This hasn't been much more than a minor inconvenience on my end, but it comes up pretty frequently on the Homestar subreddit, with a concerning number saying they haven't been able to access it at all. downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently insists that the system is down. I don't know what the hosting situation is like, nor am I anything close to an expert on such things, so unfortunately I can't diagnose the issue... But, after extensive investigation, I'm ready to release my findings.

  • Talk:Main Page#Still Slow — A few months ago, Stux proposed a solution involving MediaWiki's job queue. Seems like something worth looking into.
  • Host a Website with High Availability — The wiki's web host Linode features a guide on how to host a website with high availability. I can understand at most seven words of this, and I'm not sure how well it applies to wikis, but it might be helpful to someone. (They also have guides for enabling HTTPS, which improves security... Maybe performance too, but I've heard mixed things about that.)
  • Special:Version — The wiki is currently powered by MediaWiki 1.15, which released in 2011. Later versions have added collapsible elements, citation features, slideshow galleries, an optional visual editor interface, the ability to rename categories, and most relevant to this particular discussion, improved performance. The current stable release is 1.41.
  • HRWiki:Donations — I just discovered that the wiki moved servers in 2011 to cut back on expenses, which apparently resulted in slower load times (at least initially, while settings were still being optimized). According to Special:Ledger, there haven't been any donations since then (additionally, it still lists FellowSites hosting dues instead of the new host). I've seen multiple people offering to donate if they could, so if the more recent slowness is once again a financial issue, it might help to get the donation links working again.
  • Special:ListUsers&group=developer — I have no way of knowing how actively people have been working on maintaining backend stuff, but I can see that of the six developers, only It's dot com and Tom have been editing consistently since 2016. I realize I'm asking quite a lot of two people at most, and I really don't want to be too demanding... so I can't help but wonder if my suggestions might seem more reasonable if there were more people responsible for backend maintenance. I'm not qualified for that sort of thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were active users with MediaWiki and/or web development experience. As much as I want this wiki to be accessible to more people, I really don't want anyone losing sleep over it.

Anyway, sorry I can't offer more help than this, but I hope someone finds this stuff useful (and that I didn't get anything terribly wrong)! Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 01:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, I decided to use Special:Statistics and the WayBack Machine to calculate roughly how many people have been affected by the slow load times. After comparing the last seven months (from around the start of the slowdowns to now) to the seven months prior, I found that the average number of edits per day has decreased from 22 to 14, and the average number of active users has dropped from 27 to 17. That's a 37% decrease in both areas, leading me to believe they are linked by a common cause...
Unfortunately I couldn't figure out if that percentage corresponded to anything specific, like "37% of people use this certain type of Internet connection"... That information would tell me which people are having problems accessing the wiki, and from there I might be able to research a potential solution, assuming any of that works the way I think it does. Maybe I'll do an off-site poll somewhere, but I'd need to know what information would be most pertinent to ask... Would that be helpful at all? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 05:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Wait a minute, it seems fine now. What happened? — 71.195.40.33 (Talk | contribs) 08:25, November 15, 2024 (UTC) (left unsigned)

[edit] Availability of the wiki over https

Are there any plans to upgrade the wiki from http to https? --UN TACO 00:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

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