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-	==Block list==
-	I've noticed that the [[Special:Blocklist|block list]] is the same at the Fanstuff Wiki. Is this intentional? [[User:RickTommy|RickTommy]] [[User talk:RickTommy|talk]] [[Image:slang.PNG|50px]] 23:02, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
-	:That's because the databases for the users and blocks are shared. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:15, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
-	== Speculation? ==	+	''It has been [[HRWiki talk:Main page redesign|suggested]] that the Main Page be redesigned. Feel free to use [[HRWiki:Main page redesign|its project page]] for proposed redesigns.''
-	I commented on a discussion and someone said that my thing was "just speculation". Is there a definition on this wiki for "speculation"? I'm confused with the whole thing... [[User:doctorwho295|doctorwho295]] 22 March 2010	+
-	:Speculation has to do with looking into things with no factual basis; talking about what things ''could be'' instead of what things ''are''. This wiki doesn't document speculation because it cannot be proven true. However, we do have a [http://forum.hrwiki.org/ forum] for open discussion where speculation is welcome. You have to create a separate account over there. as for [http://www.hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sick_Day&diff=next&oldid=696377 the discussion in question], there is no way to prove what kind of disease any of them have, and any guesses as to what disease it could be can't be proven true. hope this helps {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 18:52, 22 March 2010 (UTC)	+
-	I just wanted to add something. Do you think we should do a page on speculation for all the users? Just looking at numerous discussions, I noticed that about 15% of them were speculation. Is that a big enough issue to address? Should we wait and see if there is more? [[User:doctorwho295|doctorwho295]] 30 March 2010	+	== sbemail templates ==
		+	:''See [[Talk:Strong Bad Email#sbemail templates|Talk:Strong Bad Email → sbemail templates]]''
-	:Think about that idea - Would you have liked to read an encyclopedia with speculation? Say you read about some president, and at the end of the article someone speculates that he thinks the president did some nasty things but doesn't give any evidence. That's not a very good encyclopedia, if you ask me. Any knowledge you gain becomes immediately questionable.	+	== Trogday decor ==
-	:But since we know that people in their nature ''like'' to read about others' opinions, the set up The Forum so you can speculate, talk, discuss, jibber, jabber, and say what you want about Homestar. {{User:Elcool/sig}} 04:58, 31 March 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::So, yes? No? It doesn't matter if there is a forum, people still put speculation on the pages and in the discussions. I'm an amateur, so the page would come out... well... bad. If anyone can help out that would be great. [[User:doctorwho295|doctorwho295]] 2 April 2010	+
-	:::Just because we constantly get speculation does not mean we should make an article for it. Your house gets dirty all the time, right? That doesn't mean you should make a room for dirt to keep it in; it means you should clean the whole place. Unreasonable speculation doesn't belong on any article in our wiki, no matter what, just like dirt doesn't belong in your house. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 00:45, 3 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	== What happened? ==	+	Does the '''Featured content of the day (or whenever)''' template automatically switch to different links on certain days? Such as linking to [[dragon]], [[Trogday '08]] and other things when the time comes? Or is that done manually? Because tomorrow is Trogday. - [[User:HoveringSombrero|HoveringSombrero]] ([[User talk:HoveringSombrero|talk]]) [[File:Shoulder shoomps.png|23px]]
		+	:It's not automatic, but as you can see (at the time of this writing), the decorations were indeed put up to coincide with Trogday. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
-	To The Brothers Chaps? They haven't updated the website in a long time.	+	== How many references do you need? ==
-	Cheers	+	How many references to a thing need to be on a page for the thing the page is about to become a real page? Just curious because my mock-up seinfeld page includes eight references to the titular show. The page on [[The Big Lebowski]] has the same amount of references... so do I just make a [[Seinfeld]] page now? ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 20:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
-	[[User:Nikolce Kocovski|Nikolce Kocovski]] 08:50, 24 March 2010 (UTC)	+	:done and done ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 20:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
-	:It's known to happen from time to time, some times for a whole year almost. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 13:46, 24 March 2010 (UTC)	+	::See our [[HRWiki:Inclusion guidelines|inclusion guidelines]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
-	::[citation needed] -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]]	+
-	:::Some say it's because of a baby break. But it's obviously for another reason, given that this break is longer than the previous baby breaks. And speaking of which... [[User:RickTommy|RickTommy]] [[User talk:RickTommy|talk]] [[Image:slang.PNG|50px]] 00:35, 30 March 2010 (UTC)	+
-	Further discussion should take place on the forum. Bet you guys already knew that ;-){{User:Loafing/sig}} 05:26, 30 March 2010 (UTC)	+
-	==NBVU==	+	== Songs archive ==
-	Why was the Baby Break announcement removed from the forum? [[User:RickTommy|RickTommy]] [[User talk:RickTommy|talk]] [[Image:slang.PNG|50px]] 00:35, 30 March 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:It wasn't deleted. [[Forum:15966|See?]] — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:56, 30 March 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::1. Then why was it removed from the top of the forum? 2. Can it be deleted now that they are well and truly back? {{User:RickTommy/sig}} 06:24, 1 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	== "Features" section on [[Main Page]] ==	+	Would it be OK if I created a subpage to my user page with a complete archive of every existing song in the Homestar universe? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:28, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	:I'm pretty sure we [[Songs|have that covered]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:18, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	::Well, I was gonna add MP3 files with them, so people could download them and stuff. Is that still OK? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 00:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	:::No, that's not what the user space is for. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
-	Don't you think the [[YouTube]] channel has become important enough to be placed here, as a link to the article on YouTube? [[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 15:56, 31 March 2010 (UTC)	+	== dot dot dot ==
-	:Possibly. But that'd be an excellent thing to suggest on the [[HRWiki:Featured Article Selection]] page. {{User:StrongAwesome74/sig}} 16:59, 31 March 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::I think he means in the section immediately under "Browse the knowledge base". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:40, 31 March 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::Oh oh OOOOH. That makes sense. My bad, I apologize. I agree with that, it should be up there. Not that ''I'' can add it there, but if you agree, dot com. {{User:StrongAwesome74/sig}} 17:49, 31 March 2010 (UTC)	+
-	== Signature ==	+	Why come whenever I try to link to [[lady…ing]] and [[Cheat Commandos…O's]], the link is broken? Is it because of those ellipses? {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
		+	:Sort of! "…" is different from "...", it's a single character rather than three periods. Try highlighting it and you can see. This is kind of like the difference between “curly quotes” and "straight quotes" - in both cases, the former is typically made via autocorrect in word processors or mobile keyboards, while the latter is preferred by the wiki. So while [[lady…ing]] and [[lady...ing]] may ''look'' the same, they are actually two different typed entries. --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 22:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	::I've added redirects to fix the issue. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 23:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	:::Thanks! {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
-	How do I have one of those "changey" sigs? I've created [[User:RickTommy/sig]], but no matter what I do, I just can't get my signature to match that one.	+	== Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual? ==
-	:Unintended consequences: I'm trying to upload the FeedBurner picture for the page, and I'm getting an error saying that I don't have permission to create new pages.  Is this due to the randomization of sigs? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 05:39, 1 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::RickTommy: You have to put <code><nowiki>{{User:Your username/sig}}</nowiki></code> in your [[Special:Preferences|preferences]]. I fixed it for you. Wbwolf: I'll upload the picture. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:43, 1 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	== APRIL FOOLS!! ==	+	[[Strong Bad Email]] has been in the sidebar for as long as I can remember, presumably because it was the most popular and most actively updated portion of the website. With the Twitter account handily outpacing both sbemails and "H*R.com updates" (not to mention the [[CGI Paper]] directing viewers to tweet rather than email), might it be worth adding it over there? I know I regularly find myself navigating to the [[@StrongBadActual]] page(s) to fill out "Fast Forward" sections of pages or to find dates when an item or project was mentioned. --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 20:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	:I agree (and I'm not going to do the whole "Don't you think I agree" part, this isn't [[E-mail Birds]], but it is bird season.), and I fully support putting it there. It's a handy page and we've put a lot of work into cataloging every post made by strong bad on twitter, with fun facts to boot! So consider this my '''SUPPORT'''. ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 22:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	::I also '''SUPPORT'''. {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
		+	:::, So I '''SUPPORT''' this too, but I like having easy access to the Strong Bad Email page, considering I usually watch the sbemails by clicking on the external links. So, maybe we keep both? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
		+	::::Maybe we link to it as <code><nowiki>[[@StrongBadActual Tweets 2023|Twitter]]</nowiki></code> and put it above [[Strong Bad Email]] and underneath [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent changes]]? {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
		+	::::: GREAT IDEA! I like it! [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 18:00, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
-	Okay, at first I only saw that the wiki's name had changed in the page title, and I was thinking, "Most. Subtle. April Fools' joke. Ever." Then I came back after someone on the forum said there was vandalism on the [[Main Page]], and I gotta admit, this isn't one of the better jokes the Mods have pulled off. I liked the scrambled pages better. I expect more. :P --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:46, 1 April 2010 (UTC)	+	== Editing user pages ==
-	:It's not the only thing we tried, but we couldn't get our first choice to work. Let's just say I need to study up on Google's API and maybe I'll be ready for next year. Besides, who says that's ''the'' gag? Anydangway, Mike and I had a pretty good laugh about the dumb animal characters nickname the other day, so I figured why not. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:21, 1 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	Thank You for suning it up --[[Special:Contributions/114.77.52.233|114.77.52.233]] 06:20, 1 April 2010 (UTC)	+	Alright, so, I've been thinking. The block log has a lot of "user banned for editing userpages of other users". So, the main page, for example, has a system so only sysops can edit it. What if we add a system to all user pages that basically makes it impossible for anybody but the user to edit it? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
-	:I'm curious as to whether Jay actually changed his sig to The Human Wedgie, seeing how I myself certainly did not change mine to Meatball Face Butt. (And now I see why you specified that it might not be ''the'' gag) --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 06:27, 1 April 2010 (UTC)	+	:The thing is, I feel sysops / admins / wiki bots should probably still be able to edit user pages. For example, an admin fixing a bug on the page or a bot auto-replacing a link. But I agree that no one else should edit other user pages. Or somehow make a system where users can choose who can edit the page. {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}} 18:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
-	::Super Martyo Brother: I got the same one, and i hope you are less offended by it than i am. Seeing as though [[User:The Knights Who Say Ni|I'm too <s>offended</s> ''negatively surprised'' to use the four tildes here]] 06:32, 1 April 2010 (UTC)	+	::We already have [[HRWiki:User space#Ownership and editing of pages in the user space|explicit guidelines]] on who can and should edit user pages.  If a user page is edited for anything other than a legitimate reason, the edit typically gets quickly reverted. No harm done. Anyone that might be banned in relation to user page edits is most likely doing it in a disruptive manner. In any case, the block logs mostly include bans for spamming. There really is no compelling reason to add user page security settings or tools for this. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
-	:::It's not nearly as offensive as that picture you put on your user page. (All of the sigs are from the <s>Homestar Runner</s> Dumb Animal Character body of work, after all.) But if you're that upset about it, I'll randomly generate another one for you. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:38, 1 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::(replying to prancibald) better. though it's still not what i would have preferred, i don't think anybody's is, so i'm not going to complain. (since then) wait, did it just change again while i was trying to edit? {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 06:44, 1 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::I forgot that the function is tied to the specific user, and so I had to edit out my name. When I did, it automatically changed again. Okay, everybody, if you change your sig, you might get stuck with a silly one, so ''watch out''. Or, who knows, you might get a cool one. Either way, it's just for one day, so ''no more complaints.'' &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:57, 1 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::DC: wow, sorry i got that out of you just three hours into the day. normally it takes more like 23 or 24, and i think i would have preferred it that way. it makes it more fun to act like nothing is out of the ordinary just because it's the 91<sup><u>st</u></sup> day of the year. like last year, when i came by at the end of the day, i was trying to appear oblivious to the particular day. i do apologize for putting you through all that changing my signature. {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 07:13, 1 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::I'm not upset. If it helps, read the emphasized portions of what I wrote using T-Rex's voice from [http://qwantz.com qwantz.com]. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 07:19, 1 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::Happy April Fools day IDC {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 10:31, 1 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::Happy April Fools {{User:The thing/sig}} 12:22, 1 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::::Happy April Fools' Day Dumb Animal Characters Wiki! {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 16:18, 1 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::::How many april fools jokes are there (officially) on the wiki right now? {{User:The thing/sig}} 18:23, 1 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::::::Well, dang. I was gonna edit my sig to match my little April Fool's prank, but... it seems that this year's *main* April Fool's joke interferes with that. Oh well. Heh. -{{User:YK/sig}} 18:36, 1 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::::::Did your April Fool's Day signature not turn out like you wanted it to? Head on over to the [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]] to post what you WANTED your signature to appear as! But hurry! The offer ends soon! {{User:Shine Sprite/sig}} 03:29, 2 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	== Database ==	+	== Wiki availability ==
-	Why was the database locked? {{User:RickTommy/sig}} 22:07, 2 April 2010 (UTC)	+	For about the past week, I haven't been able to access the HRWiki, and downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently confirmed (and still does) that hrwiki.org is down. However, I see that plenty of edits have been made to the wiki in that time, so obviously it wasn't entirely down. Basically, I've been presented with a white screen that occasionally loaded the hills in the background and sometimes the Homestar logo in the top-left corner, and if I moved the mouse around the screen, it would recognize where links and drop-down menus were, but it wouldn't show me any text for the links and all. Any idea what may have happened/be happening? {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 20:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
-	:Maintenance. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:28, 2 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	== How many personal images do I have? ==	+	:Hey Knights.  Usually, when a big update is released, wiki activity jumps exponentially and typically the wiki reaction times can slow down to a crawl.  Pages still load but they take forever and one must be patient.  Eventually that goes away as edits taper down.  However, for a site like "downforeveryoneorjustme", their timeout is likely far shorter than regular browsers when reporting if a site is down.  In your particular case it seems that not all website elements are loading and some may be timing out and not loading at all.  I'd typically expect that behavior during peak edit times.  Hope this helps a tiny bit! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 06:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
		+	::At some point I did see pages seemingly load but remain blank unless I interacted with the tab in some way, though that could have been a browser issue, it never really prevented me from accessing the wiki, and I haven't been experiencing it for a while. I've also had some "unable to connect" errors because sometimes when loading the wiki, it attempts to load an https URL. Most of the time, though, especially after a new release, it's been just slowdowns. {{User:DEIDATVM/sig}} 21:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
-	Can someone tell me how many I have and how many more I can have? {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 23:11, 2 April 2010 (UTC)	+	=== Still Slow ===
-	:According to [[Special:Personalimages#C|Special:Personalimages]], you're using one and have abandoned two. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:57, 3 April 2010 (UTC)	+	It seems that the wiki hasn't fully recovered from its slowdowns back in August.  In the last couple of months I've come across the Job Queue and [[MW:Manual:Job queue|this mediawiki page]] detailing what it is and how it's supposed to function.  I get the impression that currently, all jobs on the wiki are running when a page is being requested.  The page outlines a means by which the jobs can be run in the background (either via cron job or background process; I'd recommend the background process) and then the job run rate could be set to zero (so that pages aren't spending time running jobs while loading). Is this something that is already in place or could this perhaps be implemented in order to improve overall performance even during busy periods? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 11:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
-	== Mike was in the Ghostbusters? ==	+	==glitch on the main pages ==
-	If your read the credits to Ghostbusters 2, you'll find the name Micheal Chapman. Is this [[Mike Chapman|Mike]]? --[[Special:Contributions/66.205.143.105|66.205.143.105]] 23:17, 2 April 2010 (UTC)	+	Noticed a glitch on the main pages, done by holding the cursor on one of the buttons, and then moving away, and then moving your finger off the mouse. to see what this does and what I mean, refer to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgM-NA0Rja4 [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 21:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
-	:There's a highly unlikely chance that is him. But, I've encountered many Mike Chapmans so I'm not sure.--{{User:Record307/sig}} 00:46, 3 April 2010 (UTC)	+	:There's a whole page about this. [[Main Page Glitches]] {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 21:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
-	::[[IMDb:nm0152469|Michael Chapman]] was the cinematographer on ''Ghostbusters II''. Our [[IMDb:nm1053635|Mike]] would have been about 14 or 15 when it was produced. I don't think they let 15-year-olds have major production roles on films, Maeby Fünke notwithstanding. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:49, 3 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	== Real life Strong Badia ==	+	== Why does the website still have the Halloween theme? ==
-	I was messing around with photoshop and I made this.	+	Halloween ended 18 days ago, and so did October in general, so why does the website still have the Hallow's Eve theme? --{{User:Cy4nIsN0tB1u3/sig}} 04:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
-	<br> http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/6656/ffffc.jpg	+	:Because we're still waiting for the annual Fan Costumes toon to close out the season, even if we have to wait [[Decomposing Pumpkins|days after Thanksgiving]]. Also, because the sysops in charge of changing the wiki settings are busy people with lives and tend to wait a while to get around to it. -- [[Special:Contributions/68.37.43.131|68.37.43.131]] 23:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
-	<br> [[User:Inunaota4a|Inunaota4a]] 03:45, 3 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:Please upload fan-made pictures on the {{p|l=http://forum.hrwiki.org/ forum}} and/or [[HRFWiki:|fanstuff wiki]].--{{User:Record307/sig}} 03:49, 3 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::Or even send it to the Chaps. Maybe they'd feature it. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:53, 3 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	== Xeriouxly Forxe ==	+	==New Fan Stumes’!==
-	Now that April Fool's is over, can we replace the Wiki Main Page's picture with one that shows the redesigned characters? {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 21:21, 3 April 2010 (UTC)	+	The 2023 Fan Stumes has been released! And not only that, but my costume from last year is the very first Strong Bad costume! That counts as a fun fact, right? We should probably note that like how we note when a wikian sent a email. [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 17:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
-	:Nah, I bet that there's still a lot of people who haven't seen it yet. We don't want to spoil the surprise. And, even if every single Homestar fan has seen it, I don't really see a reason to change it. {{User:StrongAwesome74/sig}} 21:34, 3 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	== The Other Other wiki ==	+	== Permafrosted logo? ==
-	Seeing how we seem to rely on TVTropes more (in fact, I found the website through the HRWiki) should we have a new link for it, like the Wikipedia and Youtube? I'm thinking it should be the trademark T with a lampshade on it (lampshade hanging?). Does that sound like a good idea? I know of at least three pages that link there, all made within the year. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] [[User talk:Jellote|wuz]] [[Special:Contributions/Jellote|here]] 14:35, 4 April 2010 (UTC)	+	The Decemberween themed logo is still up, but December ended 11 days ago. The weirdest part in my opinion is that there's no d'ween themed colors despide icicles and Homestar's hat. Is there something we're waiting for, like a new not-Decemberween toon?
-	:I got the logo, but I'm not sure it is formatted correctly. Can we use it at all, or should we redo it?--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] [[User talk:Jellote|wuz]] [[Special:Contributions/Jellote|here]] 22:47, 5 April 2010 (UTC)	+	Yours truly,
-	[[file:trope logo.png|thumb|We'll ruin your life.]]	+	The guy who confused Dobbs for Daubs. {{unsigned|206.110.189.60|11 January 2024 16:34 (UTC)}}
-	::Hmmm... Since the link to TvTropes almost always appear in running text, I don't think a logo next to it would look good. Try to imagine how all the Fun Facts would look if every link had a W Wikipedia logo next to it. The text would be unreadable. Favicons next to links are almost always used for bulleted links like Watch. But I ''do'' support adding TvTropes to the list of sites we use this sort of wikilinks. {{User:Elcool/sig}} 05:43, 6 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::[[TVTropes:HomestarRunner|Done]]. [[Wikipedia:PmWiki|PmWiki]] is set up kinda screwy, so the interwiki link won't work in all cases. If there's a lot of such cases I can set it up it a different but less streamlined way. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:02, 6 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::Tvtropes.org has been down for me (and it was down for [http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ downforeveryoneorjustme]) for several hours, since yesterday. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 15:57, 6 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::Hm, that site says it's down, you say it's down... I'm getting it, though. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:47, 6 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::Its up, which is good news. So now all that's left is redoing the links.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] [[User talk:Jellote|wuz]] [[Special:Contributions/Jellote|here]] 19:34, 6 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::And now it's under maintenence. Go figure. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 03:32, 7 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::I think they are doing it on purpose just to ruin our life a little more ;). {{User:Elcool/sig}} 05:43, 7 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	== Dangereque 2? ==	+	:I'm not an admin, but I'm assuming the style is simply for the winter season. Even though the Christmas lights have been taken down, it's still a chilly and snowy time of year for {{w|March equinox|at least another month and a half}}. (P.S. Even if you don't have an account, please sign your posts with four tildes: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 17:34, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
-	Why isn't there a Dangeresque 2 game? I saw Dangeresque 1 and Dangeresque 3 but no Dangeresque 2. Is Dangeresque 2 somewhere I missed? I really like Dangeresque games. I played every series of Dangeresque except for Dangeresque 2.	+	== Load times and potential solutions ==
-	: 1: Dangeresque 1 is not a game. It is a movie seen in sbemail 106. 2: Dangeresque 2 is featured in sbemail 80, stunt double. 3: The game you refered to is Dangeresque ROOMISODE 1. I suggest watching Strong Bad Email #106 to see the real D1. [[Special:Contributions/76.117.14.237|76.117.14.237]] 17:11, 9 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	== HRW:CRYSTAL? ==	+	The wiki's been crawling along like something funny that crawls along for about a year now. This hasn't been much more than a minor inconvenience on my end, but it comes up pretty frequently on [https://www.reddit.com/r/HomestarRunner/ the Homestar subreddit], with a concerning number saying they haven't been able to access it at all. [https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/hrwiki.org downforeveryoneorjustme.com] consistently insists that the system is down. I don't know what the hosting situation is like, nor am I anything close to an expert on such things, so unfortunately I can't diagnose the issue... But, [[DNA Evidence|after <s>extensive</s> investigation]], I'm ready to release my findings.
		+	*[[Talk:Main Page#Still Slow]] {{--}} A few months ago, [[User:Stux|Stux]] proposed a solution involving MediaWiki's [[mw:Manual:Job queue|job queue]]. Seems like something worth looking into.
		+	*[https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/host-a-website-with-high-availability/ Host a Website with High Availability] {{--}} The wiki's web host Linode features a guide on how to host a website with high availability. I can understand at most seven words of this, and I'm not sure how well it applies to wikis, but it might be helpful to someone. (They also have guides for [https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/security/ssl/ enabling HTTPS], which improves security... Maybe performance too, but I've heard mixed things about that.)
		+	*[[Special:Version]] {{--}} The wiki is currently powered by MediaWiki 1.15, which released in 2011. Later versions have added collapsible elements, citation features, slideshow galleries, an optional visual editor interface, the ability to rename categories, and most relevant to this particular discussion, [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader improved performance]. The current stable release is 1.41.
		+	*[[HRWiki:Donations]] {{--}} I just discovered that [[HRWiki:2011 Server Move|the wiki moved servers in 2011]] to cut back on expenses, which [[HRWiki talk:2011 Server Move#Slowness|apparently resulted in slower load times]] (at least initially, while settings were still being optimized). According to [[Special:Ledger]], there haven't been any donations since then (additionally, it still lists FellowSites hosting dues instead of the new host). I've seen multiple people offering to donate if they could, so if the more recent slowness is once again a financial issue, it might help to [https://www.paypal.com/us/cshelp/article/ts2067 get the donation links working again].
		+	*{{p|l=http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsers&group=developer Special:ListUsers&group=developer}} {{--}} I have no way of knowing how actively people have been working on maintaining backend stuff, but I can see that of the six developers, only [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] and [[User:Tom|Tom]] have been editing consistently since 2016. I realize I'm asking quite a lot of two people at most, and I really don't want to be too demanding... so I can't help but wonder if my suggestions might seem more reasonable if there were more people responsible for backend maintenance. I'm not qualified for that sort of thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were active users with MediaWiki and/or web development experience. As much as I want this wiki to be accessible to more people, I really don't want anyone losing sleep over it.
		+	Anyway, sorry I can't offer more help than this, but I hope someone finds this stuff useful (and that I didn't get anything terribly wrong)! {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 01:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
		+	:Out of curiosity, I decided to use [[Special:Statistics]] and the WayBack Machine to calculate roughly how many people have been affected by the slow load times. After comparing the last seven months (from around the start of the slowdowns to now) to the seven months prior, I found that the average number of edits per day has decreased from 22 to 14, and the average number of active users has dropped from 27 to 17. That's a 37% decrease in ''both'' areas, leading me to believe they are linked by a common cause...
		+	:Unfortunately I couldn't figure out if that percentage corresponded to anything specific, like "37% of people use this certain type of Internet connection"... That information would tell me which people are having problems accessing the wiki, and from there I might be able to research a potential solution, assuming any of that works the way I think it does. Maybe I'll do an off-site poll somewhere, but I'd need to know what information would be most pertinent to ask... Would that be helpful at all? {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 05:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
-	WP:CRYSTAL is on Wikipedia, do we have one here on HRWiki? {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 21:06, 12 April 2010 (UTC)	+	Wait a minute, it seems fine now. What happened? {{unsigned|71.195.40.33|08:25, November 15, 2024 (UTC)}}
-	:We don't have a specific policy page on the topic, but I'm sure we adhere to a similar standard. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:08, 12 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::I agree with ColdReactive. It would give us a reason for people to delete talk-page comments that talk about "Hey we should make a page about Dangeresque Roomiside 2 even though it hasn't been released yet!" Overall it's a good idea. [[User:Nova Scotia|Nova Scotia]] 21:12, 12 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::There should be a separate delete template for that reason showing a crystalball like in Tales of the Macabre for an icon... Maybe have it saying, "The HRWiki is not a Crystal Ball, this page is currently pending deletion for this reason." Or maybe have a warning template with such an icon? {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 21:15, 12 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::That could be a good template idea, but the problem is we might never even use it. [[User:Nova Scotia|Nova Scotia]] 21:17, 12 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::Wait, where are people making comments like you describe above? Where is a specific location that a policy or template such as this would be used? &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:24, 12 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::Dot com, I've seen a few comments like that while I was just browsing as an IP. [[User:Nova Scotia|Nova Scotia]] 21:26, 12 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::Right; I'm asking someone to point to one. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:32, 12 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::It looks like such a thing would belong under [[HRWiki:What HRWiki is not]]. you can find a lot of places where some of the more experienced users tell people who have posted speculative comments to take it to the forum. [[Talk:Strong Sad#Is Strong Sad dead?|Here]] [[Talk:Marshmallow's_Last_Stand#Tenthennial anniversary remake?|are]] [[Talk:Monkey_D#Interesting|a]] [[Talk:Marzipan#A Crush on Strong Bad?|few]]. I think that's what y'all are talking about anyway {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 21:49, 12 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::In that case, we already have stated guidelines, and we already deal with it by pointing people to the forum. I'm not sure what else can be or would need to be done. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:56, 12 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	== Why are the non-HR forums on the HRWiki forum locked? ==	+	== Availability of the wiki over https ==
-	http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewforum.php?f=12 - I can't make new topics, which I want to do. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 23:25, 14 April 2010 (UTC)	+	Are there any plans to upgrade the wiki from http to https?
-	:The off-topic forums were locked over a year and a half ago in a restructuring of the forum. As far as I'm aware, there are no plans to reopen them at this point. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 23:30, 14 April 2010 (UTC)	+	--{{User:UN_TACO/sig}} 00:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
-	::Then where should we converse off-topic/non-hr stuff? {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 00:47, 15 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::Privately in PM, or on another website. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 03:33, 15 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== Collapsible Table? ==	+
-		+
-	Just wondering, can I make collapsible tables on HRWiki? It would be nice for my news box element on my userpage. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 04:33, 15 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:You mean the news box that's against the [[HRWiki:User space#What should I avoid?|user space]] policy? &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:38, 15 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::So you like to not discuss things that are not HR-specific? Then how do you guys pass the time on the site? {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 04:40, 15 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::I didn't say that. I just don't discuss non-H*R stuff ''here''. Regardless, a news box that (1) doesn't have to do with Homestar Runner, (2) doesn't have to do with a user's Homestar Runner experience, (3) doesn't even reveal personal information about a user that is relevant to this site, and (4) is rather bloggish does not belong on a user page. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:46, 15 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::Would be nice if we could discuss it on the forum, but oh well. Guess I'll go back to facebook then. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 04:50, 15 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::Yeah, we the admins consider it from time to time, but we're still put off by the idea of having to mod it. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:58, 15 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::Could always get more mods that work for pencil shavings. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 05:50, 15 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::Not really looking to do that either. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 11:56, 15 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== Multiple Users For One Real Life person? ==	+
-		+
-	if someone can login to an old username, does that mean they can have another username? User Eggs tree lists that he has another account named Strong_Bad that apparently s/he can login to--and it is advertised prominently as a fanstuff account. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 00:56, 17 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:The user you mention {{p|l=http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=block&page=User:Stong_bad is}} {{p|l=http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/wiki/User:Eggs_tree?diff=73156&oldid=73111 mistaken}}. He seems to have simply [[HRFWiki:Special:Contributions/Eggs tree|not noticed yet]]. Users are not permitted to use two accounts at the same time, and although names at the knowledge base and fanstuff previously could be separate, they must now be the same because they are tied to one account. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:47, 17 April 2010 (UTC)	+
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-	wait a minute here, YAY! YOU viewed my page! It's me! eggs tree!!! but, so you know, I always change my page a little bit...so click [[User:eggs tree|here]] to view my page...again!	+
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-	:Of course, there's always the intentional creation of making multiple users to aid in trolling known as making sock puppets, which must be looked out for. --Homestar tiger 17:28, 31 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::We know about sockpuppet accounts. In fact, Eggs tree was actually caught trying to create two sockpuppet accounts. We like to think we're pretty good at catching them. {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 18:06, 31 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== Patrol indicator ==	+
-		+
-	Why does almost every edit in RC have <font color=red>!</font> next to them? Is it just me? {{User:Nova Scotia/sig}} 21:46, 18 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:It just means they havn't been patrolled. {{User:Movie magic man/sig}} 21:52, 18 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::Oh. Well that must be something new because I've never seen that before on any wiki... {{User:Nova Scotia/sig}} 22:04, 18 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::If you mean wikia, then that's understandable, as most free-to-make or remote hosted wikis do not use media wiki, or--like InvisionFree for Invision Power Board--use a heavily modified and stripped down version of it. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 22:50, 18 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::You are incorrect. Wikia does, in fact, use MediaWiki, as do most of the others. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:07, 18 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::That's why I said the latter portion. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 23:43, 18 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== Official Twitter account ==	+
-		+
-	It seems likely that homestarrunner and hrwiki are the "official" twitter feeds. Shouldn't this be listed somewhere? Who maintains them? - J. J. http://zepfanman.com 05:35, 19 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:Hmmm... I don't know who maintains [http://twitter.com/hrwiki hrwiki], but it seems almost identical to [http://twitter.com/homestarrunner homestarrunner]. The same bit.ly links even, and the updates are one the same minute. I don't really knows how these things work... Can it be a bot or something? Anyone of the other sysops know who made the hrwiki account? {{User:Elcool/sig}} 06:18, 19 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::Well, it appears to me that since the only person homestarrunner is following is hrwiki, and vice-versa. Think these two accounts might be ran by the same person (or at least ran by a bot)? {{User:Nova Scotia/sig}} 06:32, 19 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::Somebody else registered homestarrunner and then later gave it to us. We registered hrwiki so no one else would. We didn't have much use for them, so we set them up to list updates to the official site. We control the feeds, but they're not "official" any more than our list of what's new on the main page is official. We don't publicize them because there are [[Special:Updates|more]] [[FeedBurner Page|better]] ways to get a feed of updates. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:31, 19 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::So who's the person who actually adds the updates themselves? {{User:Elcool/sig}} 18:54, 19 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::If I understand Dot com correctly, it's a bot that just reads our changes to {{t|whatsnew}} and reports them. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:15, 19 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::Yes, although it's indirect. Changes to our what's new section are reported in our [[Special:Updates|RSS feed]], and twitterfeed uses ''that'' to update the Twitter accounts. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:52, 19 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::Ah, I see. Now all we need is to use that Facebook application that updates from Twitter, and then dump to statuses in an RSS feed, and the circle of Web 2.0 will be complete :P. {{User:Elcool/sig}} 04:26, 20 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::...<small>I can make a Facebook account...</small> {{User:Nova Scotia/sig}} 04:37, 20 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::JoeyDay already [http://www.facebook.com/pages/Homestar-Runner-Wiki/68802264119?v=info#!/pages/Homestar-Runner-Wiki/68802264119?v=wall made one] some time ago. It's very inactive. How about we actually try to revive it? {{User:Elcool/sig}} 04:51, 20 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::::Wow, REALLY inactive. March 2009 and the post was ":)". (also, I saw you post on the wall of the hrwiki B) {{User:Nova Scotia/sig}} 05:08, 20 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== RSS ==	+
-		+
-	How closely to new toons, etc is the feedburner page updated? {{User:Open Source Greg/sig}} 10:57, 19 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:Most likely around the same time the toon is uploaded. --[[User:Essence of Ghost Water|Essence of Ghost Water]] 12:41, 19 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== Xeriouxly Forxe Pic ==	+
-	On the What's New area, Xeriouxly Forxe toon's pic is the copyright picture. Is that intentional? 22:15, 20 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:I knew i'd heard this somewhere before. it took me a minute to find it, but [[Template_talk:whatsnew#Xeriously|here it is]]. {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 22:28, 20 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::Now that April Fools' is over, I made a Xeriouxly Forxe icon and switched it to that. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:56, 20 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::But will the Xeriouxly icon even be used in the future? We don't even know if TBC will make the XF it's own spin-off. {{User:Nova Scotia/sig}} 23:58, 20 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::Then I won't charge you anything for making the icon. You can have it for free and hold it in reserve in case they ever do. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:01, 21 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== First Time Here ==	+
-		+
-	Has the First Time Here bot's text ever been changed since its creation? Because it is in desperate need of updates. Also, the following line needs to be reworded:	+
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-	"If you're looking for more community interaction, you can also register over at our forum, or if you're feeling creative, you can register separately at the fanstuff wiki." But now the Knowledge Base and the Fanstuff have the same user database, so you shouldn't really register separately. And on a side note, why was the Fanstuff Wiki reopened when it was said [[User talk:It's dot com#When will the fanstuff wiki be back?|here]] that it would never be reopened? And why do they now share the same user databases? {{User:RickTommy/sig}} 13:42, 23 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:You might want to check the timestamps in the reply you linked to. That's a good catch though on the First Time Here bot. I'll fix it. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:13, 23 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== Proper Placement of Quotation Marks ==	+
-		+
-	I just noticed [http://www.hrwiki.org/w/index.php?diff=700141&oldid=699872 this], and was wondering if there was a discussion on proper quotation placement. In the united states, it's punctuation then quotation mark, but elsewhere--mainly--it's quotation mark then punctuation. Or so I have learned. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 21:31, 25 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:See [[HRWiki:Manual_of_Style#Quotation_marks]]. {{User:Elcool/sig}} 21:56, 25 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::Actually, it's ALWAYS punctuation before quotation marks. {{User:Open Source Greg/sig}} 08:44, 26 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::No, it's not. In the US, traditionally grammarians have said always to put the full stop or comma before the close quote; in the UK, it's standard to follow the sense of whether the full stop or comma belongs with the quoted material. Examples: 1. ''She said "I want to go to some pizza place."'' 2. ''She said she wanted to go to "some pizza place".'' The Wiki generally follows US standards for spelling and punctuation, but here we've made an exception and tend to use the latter system. It's not clear to me exactly why we do so, but I'm still for it because honestly, the US system doesn't make any sense at all and I refuse to follow it, anyway. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 08:55, 26 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::Hear, hear. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 08:57, 26 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::That's about how i've gone about editing the wiki ever since [http://www.hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Blatant_Lies&diff=prev&oldid=661862 this edit] was changed. <small>for some reason i still remember that.</small> I wasn't sure which one it was, and apparently i guessed wrong. by now i have a better feel for how it's done here, and i just know when to use ." this and when to use ". that. i think i made that particular edit based on OSG's rule. and i am an American, yet i have to agree w/what heimstern said about the rule not making any sense. and the previous sentence from yet onward may be disregarded when concerning question marks (which is the rule that threw me off on that edit haha). <--which brings us to a similar question: what about periods before or after parentheses and parenthetical phrases? {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 09:31, 26 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::parentheses, square brackets, curly brackets, etc. [should] follow the exact same rules as quotation marks. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 10:36, 26 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::Periods almost never go inside a closing parenthesis (and I can't think of any time that a comma does). (Only if the entire sentence is in parentheses does the period go inside.) As for quotation marks, I strongly prefer the U.S. style in printed materials, like magazines and books, but for the wiki I prefer our custom style because of the default font we use. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:29, 26 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::And what about parenthetical phrases <font color=#00A000>(like, whether or not a question mark should go before or after the green)</font>? this isn't a good example, but at least it shows what i'm talking about. {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 03:33, 3 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::You should be able to remove a parenthetical phrase from a sentence and still have it make grammatical sense. If you put the question mark inside the green, and then removed the green, the sentence would be missing its terminal punctuation. But you can still sneak questions in with declarative statements, like this (see?). &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:03, 3 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::::i already know what happens ''inside'' the green. i'm asking about before the ( vs. after the ). {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 18:20, 3 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::::After. A parenthetical phrase either has to be a part of a sentence (in which case the punctuation of the outer sentence comes after the closing parenthesis), or it should be a sentence that can stand by itself. (In the latter case, the punctuation goes inside the parentheses because the whole sentence can be removed.) &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:12, 3 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::::::[[http://hrwiki.org/wiki/HRWiki:Changing_username/Archive#Another_Strong_Badian|Here's]] a funny example of this issue. The user asked if he could be renamed "President Cold One", but because he put the question mark inside the quotation marks, Tom thought he meant "President Cold One?".	+
-	::::::::::::Heimstern: If you refuse to follow putting puncuation marks inside quotes, why did you do so in [http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Crime_and_Punishment&diff=701873&oldid=701867 this edit]?	+
-		+
-	== Admin ==	+
-		+
-	It's been just over five years since we last had an [[HRWiki:April 2005 Sysop Nominations|admin nom]]. Can we have another one soon? {{User:RickTommy/sig}} 13:27, 26 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:We're right for now. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 13:38, 26 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== There is no spoon ==	+
-		+
-	How many views did the main page get after The Brothers Chaps asked people to donate to the HRWiki? --[[Special:Contributions/71.77.206.64|71.77.206.64]] 22:41, 15 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:Hard to say. I started keeping track of it for a while, but then I realized that the numbers are skewed by Web crawlers, and I don't know to what degree. The numbers at the bottoms of pages are so unreliable that some sites, like Wikipedia, don't even display them. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:28, 16 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== ToonInfo template ==	+
-		+
-	DorianGray suggested sorting the Filmographies by date rather than alphabetically. I took this idea and ran with it, creating a [[Template:ToonInfo|ToonInfo]] template... but hit a small stumbling block when I discovered that sorting Filmographies by date would have the side effect of every toon being listed under "2" where it's currently listed by letter. It's still possible (and not terribly hard) to sort by date, it would just unfortunately look odd on the Category pages. Nevertheless, the template works otherwise (the sort-by-date feature is not currently included.) It would help keep our format consistent and let us change the format more easily, but admittedly has the problem of having to physically add it to each and every toon on the site. Thoughts? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 10:55, 31 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:Yeah, I fear it would be too complicated to get one of the robits to automate the process... But hey, if we don't get any updates soon, at least we'll have something to occupy us for a while. =3 --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 11:08, 31 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::No. I think everything's fine the way it is. {{User:RickTommy/sig}} 11:54, 31 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::Eh, if we can make it work, I'd far prefer chronological filmographies to alphabetical ones. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 12:11, 31 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::Please no. Only if it can be done ''without adding a log into the page history'' should it be done. {{User:RickTommy/sig}} 12:15, 31 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::How many characters can be placed into the template? --[[Special:Contributions/209.148.176.136|209.148.176.136]] 12:13, 31 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::First of all, I've always thought the filmographies would be better if they were in chronological order, and I think this template is cool and ambitious, but I think it's a little too complicated for the problem it's supposed to solve. Perhaps we could figure out a way to get the chronological functionality without having to edit every toon article. Or if we really do want to add something to all the articles, perhaps an extension would be better instead of a straight template in order to keep things as simple as possible. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:10, 31 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::I've seen other Wikis with templates on nearly every page that are far more complicated than that one, for what it's worth. Most notably Bulbapedia, who ''thrives'' on complicated templates. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:50, 31 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::All right, but if we can find a simpler solution, shouldn't we? My original attempt at a [[User:It's dot com/stuffitem|STUFF template]] would have ''worked'', but it was way more complicated than it needed to be, which also meant it wasn't as flexible as it should be. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:05, 31 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::Do you (or does anyone else) have such a simpler solution? (I know that if you don't, that doesn't necessarily mean that my solution wins; I understand logic better than that. This is why I haven't put it on any pages yet and asked here first.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:20, 31 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::Oh, yes, and problems with that STUFF template include the fact that STUFF pages were for discussion, so the entries can be very long and get changed often, and the variables don't have names so it's not intuitive what goes where. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:24, 31 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::Okay... my point was that it was overly complicated, even though it could have been made to work. Its specific problems were fixed and aren't all that relevant here. As I hinted at above, a simpler solution would be to change the nature of the filmographies pages so that they're automatically in chronological order (maybe even sortable). Then we wouldn't have to edit any pages at all. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:16, 31 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::::That would be an elegant solution, but how would the filmography pages know the dates the toons came out? (Unless they were made into PAGES and not categories, which would admittedly solve the problem but would still require every page to be modified.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:21, 31 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::::We would use [[All Toons]] or something similar to create a custom sort list. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:00, 31 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::::::Well, in that case, it's beyond my understanding of Wikicode and probably beyond my access rights, so I defer to you. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:50, 1 June 2010 (UTC)	+
-	So is this functionality something we really want? I'm just making sure, because whichever avenue we'd end up using&mdash;template, extension, whatever&mdash;it will take significant effort to implement. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:50, 3 June 2010 (UTC)	+
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-	== Personal image limit going unpoliced in forgotten users? ==	+
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-	It started with just me being paranoid, but it turns out there are several users with more than two large images. If a user quits the wiki without responding to a talk page comment, or a user is never alerted (I found that several users were never told after checking their talk pages), what do we do about it? For one thing, it violates our regulations to have that many personals, but on the other hand we can't edit other people's user pages. Seeing how this situation is going on, how would we resolve it? Are we lax in cases like this and shrug it off, or is it just that nobody is as nit-picky about these things as I am and never checks? Yeah, I suppose this is a mild problem, but there are some big-name editors like this, some of which regularly contribute. Does it really matter? I can't make the call, so can I get professional opinion in here from someone who knows the rules better than me? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] [[User talk:Jellote|wuz]] [[Special:Contributions/Jellote|here]] 00:15, 18 June 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:The limits are in place to prevent people from abusing the privilege of a user page. If they're not active anymore, then it's probably not worth the effort to worry about it. If someone is still here, though, then I think it's only fair that they be in compliance with our policy. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:48, 18 June 2010 (UTC)	+
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-	== Sbemail in navigation? ==	+
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-	I don't think that Strong Bad Email should be in the navigation section on the side. All the other links have something to do with the wiki itself, but SB email is just a feature on homestarrunner.com. It should be removed. {{User:Wasd98/sig}} 00:12, 22 June 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:Strong Bad Email is a large and important part of the site. Probably about 55% of the pages on this wiki are related to Strong Bad Email. In fact, the site wouldn't be as popular if Strong Bad Email didn't exist. I think that's plenty of proof for it to stay. [[User:doctorwho295|doctorwho295]] 27 June 2010	+
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-	== Reporting New Stuff On Website... On HRwiki... ==	+
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-	Just wondering, since Homestarrunner.com posts "news updates" for when they have updates, would [http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100621/2320049908.shtml this] affect HRWiki? TBC already owns the rights to the news updates, so... {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 17:23, 23 June 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:I'm not catching how that would directly affect us... &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:22, 23 June 2010 (UTC)	+
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-	== iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad app? ==	+
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-	Would anybody on the wiki be able to create an iOS app for the wiki? I'm sure it would be very possible. --[[Special:Contributions/68.78.135.218|68.78.135.218]] 20:40, 28 June 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:I'm just wondering, since I don't have an iProduct, what's the difference between an iOS of HRWiki, and browsing the site online with the device? Could be a nice way to deliver updates (like [http://twitter.com/hrwiki Twitter])? {{User:Elcool/sig}} 04:36, 29 June 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::While the wiki was unusable on my old Nokia E71, it looks and works just fine on my iPhone 3GS. I don't know what an HRWiki app would look like, but I doubt it would add value. Also, there is no free way of developing an iPhone app if you don't want to jailbreak.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 07:00, 29 June 2010 (UTC)	+

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Contents 1 sbemail templates 2 Trogday decor 3 How many references do you need? 4 Songs archive 5 dot dot dot 6 Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual? 7 Editing user pages 8 Wiki availability 8.1 Still Slow 9 glitch on the main pages 10 Why does the website still have the Halloween theme? 11 New Fan Stumes’! 12 Permafrosted logo? 13 Load times and potential solutions 14 Availability of the wiki over https

[edit] sbemail templates

See Talk:Strong Bad Email → sbemail templates

[edit] Trogday decor

Does the Featured content of the day (or whenever) template automatically switch to different links on certain days? Such as linking to dragon, Trogday '08 and other things when the time comes? Or is that done manually? Because tomorrow is Trogday. - HoveringSombrero (talk)

It's not automatic, but as you can see (at the time of this writing), the decorations were indeed put up to coincide with Trogday. — It's dot com 01:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

[edit] How many references do you need?

How many references to a thing need to be on a page for the thing the page is about to become a real page? Just curious because my mock-up seinfeld page includes eight references to the titular show. The page on The Big Lebowski has the same amount of references... so do I just make a Seinfeld page now? ----J∃ffJMan 20:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

done and done ----J∃ffJMan 20:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

See our inclusion guidelines. — It's dot com 21:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Songs archive

Would it be OK if I created a subpage to my user page with a complete archive of every existing song in the Homestar universe? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:28, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure we have that covered. — It's dot com 23:18, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Well, I was gonna add MP3 files with them, so people could download them and stuff. Is that still OK? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 00:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

No, that's not what the user space is for. — It's dot com 00:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

[edit] dot dot dot

Why come whenever I try to link to lady…ing and Cheat Commandos…O's, the link is broken? Is it because of those ellipses? — HoveringSombrero (talk)

Sort of! "…" is different from "...", it's a single character rather than three periods. Try highlighting it and you can see. This is kind of like the difference between “curly quotes” and "straight quotes" - in both cases, the former is typically made via autocorrect in word processors or mobile keyboards, while the latter is preferred by the wiki. So while lady…ing and lady...ing may look the same, they are actually two different typed entries. -- Bleu Ninja 22:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

I've added redirects to fix the issue. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 23:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! — HoveringSombrero (talk)

[edit] Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual?

Strong Bad Email has been in the sidebar for as long as I can remember, presumably because it was the most popular and most actively updated portion of the website. With the Twitter account handily outpacing both sbemails and "H*R.com updates" (not to mention the CGI Paper directing viewers to tweet rather than email), might it be worth adding it over there? I know I regularly find myself navigating to the @StrongBadActual page(s) to fill out "Fast Forward" sections of pages or to find dates when an item or project was mentioned. -- Bleu Ninja 20:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree (and I'm not going to do the whole "Don't you think I agree" part, this isn't E-mail Birds, but it is bird season.), and I fully support putting it there. It's a handy page and we've put a lot of work into cataloging every post made by strong bad on twitter, with fun facts to boot! So consider this my SUPPORT. ----J∃ffJMan 22:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I also SUPPORT. — HoveringSombrero (talk)

, So I SUPPORT this too, but I like having easy access to the Strong Bad Email page, considering I usually watch the sbemails by clicking on the external links. So, maybe we keep both? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Maybe we link to it as [[@StrongBadActual Tweets 2023|Twitter]] and put it above Strong Bad Email and underneath Recent changes? — HoveringSombrero (talk)

GREAT IDEA! I like it! I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 18:00, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Editing user pages

Alright, so, I've been thinking. The block log has a lot of "user banned for editing userpages of other users". So, the main page, for example, has a system so only sysops can edit it. What if we add a system to all user pages that basically makes it impossible for anybody but the user to edit it? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

The thing is, I feel sysops / admins / wiki bots should probably still be able to edit user pages. For example, an admin fixing a bug on the page or a bot auto-replacing a link. But I agree that no one else should edit other user pages. Or somehow make a system where users can choose who can edit the page. — HoveringSombrero (talk) 18:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

We already have explicit guidelines on who can and should edit user pages. If a user page is edited for anything other than a legitimate reason, the edit typically gets quickly reverted. No harm done. Anyone that might be banned in relation to user page edits is most likely doing it in a disruptive manner. In any case, the block logs mostly include bans for spamming. There really is no compelling reason to add user page security settings or tools for this. --Stux 21:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki availability

For about the past week, I haven't been able to access the HRWiki, and downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently confirmed (and still does) that hrwiki.org is down. However, I see that plenty of edits have been made to the wiki in that time, so obviously it wasn't entirely down. Basically, I've been presented with a white screen that occasionally loaded the hills in the background and sometimes the Homestar logo in the top-left corner, and if I moved the mouse around the screen, it would recognize where links and drop-down menus were, but it wouldn't show me any text for the links and all. Any idea what may have happened/be happening? The Knights Who Say Ni 20:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Hey Knights. Usually, when a big update is released, wiki activity jumps exponentially and typically the wiki reaction times can slow down to a crawl. Pages still load but they take forever and one must be patient. Eventually that goes away as edits taper down. However, for a site like "downforeveryoneorjustme", their timeout is likely far shorter than regular browsers when reporting if a site is down. In your particular case it seems that not all website elements are loading and some may be timing out and not loading at all. I'd typically expect that behavior during peak edit times. Hope this helps a tiny bit! --Stux 06:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

At some point I did see pages seemingly load but remain blank unless I interacted with the tab in some way, though that could have been a browser issue, it never really prevented me from accessing the wiki, and I haven't been experiencing it for a while. I've also had some "unable to connect" errors because sometimes when loading the wiki, it attempts to load an https URL. Most of the time, though, especially after a new release, it's been just slowdowns. DEI DAT VM^┌_{datvm center}\^{super contra}_┘ 21:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Still Slow

It seems that the wiki hasn't fully recovered from its slowdowns back in August. In the last couple of months I've come across the Job Queue and this mediawiki page detailing what it is and how it's supposed to function. I get the impression that currently, all jobs on the wiki are running when a page is being requested. The page outlines a means by which the jobs can be run in the background (either via cron job or background process; I'd recommend the background process) and then the job run rate could be set to zero (so that pages aren't spending time running jobs while loading). Is this something that is already in place or could this perhaps be implemented in order to improve overall performance even during busy periods? --Stux 11:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

[edit] glitch on the main pages

Noticed a glitch on the main pages, done by holding the cursor on one of the buttons, and then moving away, and then moving your finger off the mouse. to see what this does and what I mean, refer to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgM-NA0Rja4 I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 21:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

There's a whole page about this. Main Page Glitches Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 21:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Why does the website still have the Halloween theme?

Halloween ended 18 days ago, and so did October in general, so why does the website still have the Hallow's Eve theme? --Cy4nIsN0tB1u3 04:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Because we're still waiting for the annual Fan Costumes toon to close out the season, even if we have to wait days after Thanksgiving. Also, because the sysops in charge of changing the wiki settings are busy people with lives and tend to wait a while to get around to it. -- 68.37.43.131 23:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

[edit] New Fan Stumes’!

The 2023 Fan Stumes has been released! And not only that, but my costume from last year is the very first Strong Bad costume! That counts as a fun fact, right? We should probably note that like how we note when a wikian sent a email. I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 17:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Permafrosted logo?

The Decemberween themed logo is still up, but December ended 11 days ago. The weirdest part in my opinion is that there's no d'ween themed colors despide icicles and Homestar's hat. Is there something we're waiting for, like a new not-Decemberween toon? Yours truly, The guy who confused Dobbs for Daubs. — 206.110.189.60 (Talk | contribs) 11 January 2024 16:34 (UTC) (left unsigned)

I'm not an admin, but I'm assuming the style is simply for the winter season. Even though the Christmas lights have been taken down, it's still a chilly and snowy time of year for at least another month and a half. (P.S. Even if you don't have an account, please sign your posts with four tildes: ~~~~) -- Bleu Ninja 17:34, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

[edit] Load times and potential solutions

The wiki's been crawling along like something funny that crawls along for about a year now. This hasn't been much more than a minor inconvenience on my end, but it comes up pretty frequently on the Homestar subreddit, with a concerning number saying they haven't been able to access it at all. downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently insists that the system is down. I don't know what the hosting situation is like, nor am I anything close to an expert on such things, so unfortunately I can't diagnose the issue... But, after extensive investigation, I'm ready to release my findings.

• Talk:Main Page#Still Slow — A few months ago, Stux proposed a solution involving MediaWiki's job queue. Seems like something worth looking into.
• Host a Website with High Availability — The wiki's web host Linode features a guide on how to host a website with high availability. I can understand at most seven words of this, and I'm not sure how well it applies to wikis, but it might be helpful to someone. (They also have guides for enabling HTTPS, which improves security... Maybe performance too, but I've heard mixed things about that.)
• Special:Version — The wiki is currently powered by MediaWiki 1.15, which released in 2011. Later versions have added collapsible elements, citation features, slideshow galleries, an optional visual editor interface, the ability to rename categories, and most relevant to this particular discussion, improved performance. The current stable release is 1.41.
• HRWiki:Donations — I just discovered that the wiki moved servers in 2011 to cut back on expenses, which apparently resulted in slower load times (at least initially, while settings were still being optimized). According to Special:Ledger, there haven't been any donations since then (additionally, it still lists FellowSites hosting dues instead of the new host). I've seen multiple people offering to donate if they could, so if the more recent slowness is once again a financial issue, it might help to get the donation links working again.
• Special:ListUsers&group=developer — I have no way of knowing how actively people have been working on maintaining backend stuff, but I can see that of the six developers, only It's dot com and Tom have been editing consistently since 2016. I realize I'm asking quite a lot of two people at most, and I really don't want to be too demanding... so I can't help but wonder if my suggestions might seem more reasonable if there were more people responsible for backend maintenance. I'm not qualified for that sort of thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were active users with MediaWiki and/or web development experience. As much as I want this wiki to be accessible to more people, I really don't want anyone losing sleep over it.

Anyway, sorry I can't offer more help than this, but I hope someone finds this stuff useful (and that I didn't get anything terribly wrong)! Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 01:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, I decided to use Special:Statistics and the WayBack Machine to calculate roughly how many people have been affected by the slow load times. After comparing the last seven months (from around the start of the slowdowns to now) to the seven months prior, I found that the average number of edits per day has decreased from 22 to 14, and the average number of active users has dropped from 27 to 17. That's a 37% decrease in both areas, leading me to believe they are linked by a common cause...

Unfortunately I couldn't figure out if that percentage corresponded to anything specific, like "37% of people use this certain type of Internet connection"... That information would tell me which people are having problems accessing the wiki, and from there I might be able to research a potential solution, assuming any of that works the way I think it does. Maybe I'll do an off-site poll somewhere, but I'd need to know what information would be most pertinent to ask... Would that be helpful at all? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 05:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Wait a minute, it seems fine now. What happened? — 71.195.40.33 (Talk | contribs) 08:25, November 15, 2024 (UTC) (left unsigned)

[edit] Availability of the wiki over https

Are there any plans to upgrade the wiki from http to https? --UN TACO 00:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)