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-	== Templating the weeklies? ==	+	''It has been [[HRWiki talk:Main page redesign|suggested]] that the Main Page be redesigned. Feel free to use [[HRWiki:Main page redesign|its project page]] for proposed redesigns.''
-	While I've been working on the table heads, as well as the whitespace, on the archive pages for the [[Sketchbook]] and  [[Weekly Fanstuff]], I've thought about turning these pages into a bunch of templates! I was thinking we could make a template for the:	+	== sbemail templates ==
-	*Top of each archive page, so that they wouldn't need to be updated one by one (if we ever need to).	+	:''See [[Talk:Strong Bad Email#sbemail templates|Talk:Strong Bad Email → sbemail templates]]''
-	*Table heads, so that they wouldn't need to be updated one by one.	+
-	*Items in the table, so that there's less to type compared to our conventional method.	+
-	What do you think? {{User:Soiled Bargains/sig}} 17:54, 4 October 2009 (UTC)	+
-	==Coach Z pukes in dude's toupee==	+	== Trogday decor ==
-	During my wandering through the internet, I went to my YouTube page, and saw that "sportsinterviewa," who uploaded the secret Strong Bad Gameways video, had uploaded a video, titled "Coach Z pukes in dude's toupee." As I got ready to watch it, it told me the video was removed, and now, there is no evidence of it ever existing, except for me as a witness. I was wondering if anyone else had seen it, and if it should be added to the updates page. I'll post a picture in a few minutes. ([[User:Rct2guy|rct2guy]])	+
-	:it's back up --[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]] 01:19, 6 October 2009 (UTC)	+
-	::Oh, ok then. Well, don't forget to add it to the front page. Though, I guess it's just a sneek preview of tomorrow's sbemail. But, be sure to make a note of it somewhere! :P ([[User:Rct2guy|rct2guy]] 01:29, 6 October 2009 (UTC))	+
-	:::I saw it too...The scene is kinda like in [[senior prom]], and its a 19 second video showing the Coach eating some food, then puking into Senor cardgage's combover, which appears to be a toupee.  Coach Z puts it on at the end.  I don't have audio, however.  It has the appearance of being filmed on a TV with a video camera.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z-C8NU3SVM&feature=channel_page -[[Special:Contributions/24.218.122.7|24.218.122.7]] 01:29, 6 October 2009 (UTC)	+
-	::::Well, it looks like the article is currently being worked on, so I guess this really doesn't mean anything anymore. :P [[User:Rct2guy|rct2guy]] 01:37, 6 October 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:::::Looking at the video comments, it appears that the new sbemail is out, named [[videography]].  Apparently, the video is a link from an easter egg; clicking on the phrase "internet gold" brings you here. -[[Special:Contributions/24.218.122.7|24.218.122.7]] 01:40, 6 October 2009 (UTC)	+
-	== Change the navs? ==	+	Does the '''Featured content of the day (or whenever)''' template automatically switch to different links on certain days? Such as linking to [[dragon]], [[Trogday '08]] and other things when the time comes? Or is that done manually? Because tomorrow is Trogday. - [[User:HoveringSombrero|HoveringSombrero]] ([[User talk:HoveringSombrero|talk]]) [[File:Shoulder shoomps.png|23px]]
		+	:It's not automatic, but as you can see (at the time of this writing), the decorations were indeed put up to coincide with Trogday. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
-	I just had an idea that maybe we can change the navigational systems on each page to display http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/1664/navd.png to the right of the navs with toons that have a YouTube video. What do you guys think? {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 21:26, 13 October 2009 (UTC)	+	== How many references do you need? ==
-	:Heck no at all. I don't have favicons under normal circumstances, and I sure don't want forced ones. They're silly. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:38, 13 October 2009 (UTC)	+
-	::The icon would only show up in the navbar if they showed up next to links for you normally... in your inferior obsolete browser, DG, it'd just say "watch" without an icon. The question here is whether we want a watch link that goes to a YouTube video in the navbar. Personally, I could get behind it for things like [[Sample of Style]] and [[Sample of Style Too]], but I'm not really sure either way for videos where there's already a link to the H*R site... having two links to the same thing on different sites in the navbar is probably overkill... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 21:55, 13 October 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:::Where the YouTube video is the only link available, it would be appropriate. Otherwise, we should just stick with the link to H*R.com. The YouTube link as well as the direct link to the SWF file are easy enough to find in the External Links section. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:33, 13 October 2009 (UTC)	+
-	== Animated PNGs? ==	+	How many references to a thing need to be on a page for the thing the page is about to become a real page? Just curious because my mock-up seinfeld page includes eight references to the titular show. The page on [[The Big Lebowski]] has the same amount of references... so do I just make a [[Seinfeld]] page now? ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 20:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	:done and done ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 20:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	::See our [[HRWiki:Inclusion guidelines|inclusion guidelines]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
-	Well, since my test worked, would it be wise to use Animated PNGs in the future? They may be big in size, but they retain the 32-bit color scheme and partial color transparency as some of you may saw with my RyukiAnim.png file. For those of you who are wary of this, you can check out [http://i33.tinypic.com/6rj5ox.png this image] and see if your browser supports APNGs; if the circle is animated, then your browser supports APNGs (and yes, links, a terminal browser, even supports APNGs.) {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 13:36, 14 October 2009 (UTC)	+	== Songs archive ==
-	:I don't think any animation-[[type]]-image-formats other than GIF will be used here for a ''long'' time. APNG or [[Wikipedia:Multiple-image Network Graphics|MNG]] isn't fully supported, not to mention these are two different "rivaling" formats (possible format war?). Besides, we don't use animated images like crazy '[[boring (really)|round her]] so much that this would be a necessary discussion. By the way, what do you use to create APNGs? {{User:Soiled Bargains/sig}} 20:42, 14 October 2009 (UTC)	+
-	::MNG has been around for 11 years, and is too complicated for everyday/average person use. APNG was made to simplify that. Please start a forum topic for future discussion though, as this can get long. I used flash to make the animation first, then export it as a PNG Sequence, then use APNG Anime Maker. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 21:10, 14 October 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:::Forum topic for what? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:21, 14 October 2009 (UTC)	+
-	::::This discussion. I don't think that's needed; this wiki's had [[HRWiki:Da Basement/Archive 7|some pretty long discussions]] in the past. {{User:Soiled Bargains/sig}} 21:30, 14 October 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:::::And? Sometimes we have long discussions. This isn't a question for the forum. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:41, 15 October 2009 (UTC)	+
-	Back on track, what do other people think? (This includes you mister of com.) {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 14:34, 15 October 2009 (UTC)	+	Would it be OK if I created a subpage to my user page with a complete archive of every existing song in the Homestar universe? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:28, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
-	:I think this decision shouldn't be made right now. As I said, APNG/MNG isn't as much of a universally supported format as GIF. I say we wait until one of these formats begin to see better support in operating systems/web browsers. Until then, I see no problem with using GIFs, despite their limitations. {{User:Soiled Bargains/sig}} 22:09, 18 October 2009 (UTC)	+	:I'm pretty sure we [[Songs|have that covered]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:18, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
-	::For the time being, it's a solid no. Based on our Web stats, at least a third of our users (measured by hits) still use a browser in which APNGs are [[Wikipedia:APNG#Application support|not supported]]. Our animation needs are so limited and infrequent that GIFs are still just fine. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:34, 20 October 2009 (UTC)	+	::Well, I was gonna add MP3 files with them, so people could download them and stuff. Is that still OK? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 00:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	:::No, that's not what the user space is for. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
-	== SVGs...again! ==	+	== dot dot dot ==
-	I'd like to bring up [[HRWiki:Main Page Talk Archive 31#SVGs|this discussion]] again. In reply to [[User:Phlip|Phlip]], getting something from Flash to SVG may not be as hard as you'd think. From what I've heard about the Mac-only Flash decompiler [http://www.futurecandy.net/ Gordon], any symbol can be exported to PDF. From there, that PDF can be put into Inkscape, which would create an exact copy of said symbol. For an entire scene, I suppose this could work as well, except making sure the viewport (right term?) matches the original could be a hassle. So, it can be done just for US$60 and a Mac! <small>Now, if I would just buy the thing (Gordon)...</small> {{User:Soiled Bargains/sig}} 21:47, 14 October 2009 (UTC)	+	Why come whenever I try to link to [[lady…ing]] and [[Cheat Commandos…O's]], the link is broken? Is it because of those ellipses? {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
		+	:Sort of! "…" is different from "...", it's a single character rather than three periods. Try highlighting it and you can see. This is kind of like the difference between “curly quotes” and "straight quotes" - in both cases, the former is typically made via autocorrect in word processors or mobile keyboards, while the latter is preferred by the wiki. So while [[lady…ing]] and [[lady...ing]] may ''look'' the same, they are actually two different typed entries. --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 22:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	::I've added redirects to fix the issue. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 23:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	:::Thanks! {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
-	== Download ==	+	== Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual? ==
-	Is it legal to download the Flash files for the H*R toons/games? [[User:Jc iindyysgvxc|Jc iindyysgvxc]] 23:20, 16 October 2009 (UTC)	+	[[Strong Bad Email]] has been in the sidebar for as long as I can remember, presumably because it was the most popular and most actively updated portion of the website. With the Twitter account handily outpacing both sbemails and "H*R.com updates" (not to mention the [[CGI Paper]] directing viewers to tweet rather than email), might it be worth adding it over there? I know I regularly find myself navigating to the [[@StrongBadActual]] page(s) to fill out "Fast Forward" sections of pages or to find dates when an item or project was mentioned. --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 20:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
-	:Yes. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 23:21, 16 October 2009 (UTC)	+	:I agree (and I'm not going to do the whole "Don't you think I agree" part, this isn't [[E-mail Birds]], but it is bird season.), and I fully support putting it there. It's a handy page and we've put a lot of work into cataloging every post made by strong bad on twitter, with fun facts to boot! So consider this my '''SUPPORT'''. ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 22:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
-	::Definetly yes. But according to [[Legal]], you can't republish or distribute them. {{User:That'sBupkis/sig}} 23:25, 16 October 2009 (UTC)	+	::I also '''SUPPORT'''. {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
		+	:::, So I '''SUPPORT''' this too, but I like having easy access to the Strong Bad Email page, considering I usually watch the sbemails by clicking on the external links. So, maybe we keep both? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
		+	::::Maybe we link to it as <code><nowiki>[[@StrongBadActual Tweets 2023|Twitter]]</nowiki></code> and put it above [[Strong Bad Email]] and underneath [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent changes]]? {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
		+	::::: GREAT IDEA! I like it! [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 18:00, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
-	== How Long? ==	+	== Editing user pages ==
-	It's me again, just wandering how many	+	Alright, so, I've been thinking. The block log has a lot of "user banned for editing userpages of other users". So, the main page, for example, has a system so only sysops can edit it. What if we add a system to all user pages that basically makes it impossible for anybody but the user to edit it? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
-	years has HR Wiki been  around?	+	:The thing is, I feel sysops / admins / wiki bots should probably still be able to edit user pages. For example, an admin fixing a bug on the page or a bot auto-replacing a link. But I agree that no one else should edit other user pages. Or somehow make a system where users can choose who can edit the page. {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}} 18:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
-	When was it created?	+	::We already have [[HRWiki:User space#Ownership and editing of pages in the user space|explicit guidelines]] on who can and should edit user pages.  If a user page is edited for anything other than a legitimate reason, the edit typically gets quickly reverted. No harm done.  Anyone that might be banned in relation to user page edits is most likely doing it in a disruptive manner.  In any case, the block logs mostly include bans for spamming.  There really is no compelling reason to add user page security settings or tools for this.  --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
-	--[[Special:Contributions/68.39.79.161|68.39.79.161]] 14:17, 18 October 2009 (UTC)C-Son-L Sweaters and the Get Bored Crew	+	== Wiki availability ==
-	:According to [http://www.hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=prev&oldid=1 this], it was created on ''July 16, 2004 at 4:45PM UTC''. {{User:That'sBupkis/sig}} 14:21, 18 October 2009 (UTC)	+	For about the past week, I haven't been able to access the HRWiki, and downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently confirmed (and still does) that hrwiki.org is down. However, I see that plenty of edits have been made to the wiki in that time, so obviously it wasn't entirely down. Basically, I've been presented with a white screen that occasionally loaded the hills in the background and sometimes the Homestar logo in the top-left corner, and if I moved the mouse around the screen, it would recognize where links and drop-down menus were, but it wouldn't show me any text for the links and all. Any idea what may have happened/be happening? {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 20:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
-	::According to [[Hrwiki:A history]] it was started on 7 October 2003. {{User:Movie magic man/sig}} 14:25, 18 October 2009 (UTC)	+
-	== podcast gone ==	+	:Hey Knights.  Usually, when a big update is released, wiki activity jumps exponentially and typically the wiki reaction times can slow down to a crawl.  Pages still load but they take forever and one must be patient.  Eventually that goes away as edits taper down.  However, for a site like "downforeveryoneorjustme", their timeout is likely far shorter than regular browsers when reporting if a site is down.  In your particular case it seems that not all website elements are loading and some may be timing out and not loading at all.  I'd typically expect that behavior during peak edit times.  Hope this helps a tiny bit! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 06:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
		+	::At some point I did see pages seemingly load but remain blank unless I interacted with the tab in some way, though that could have been a browser issue, it never really prevented me from accessing the wiki, and I haven't been experiencing it for a while. I've also had some "unable to connect" errors because sometimes when loading the wiki, it attempts to load an https URL. Most of the time, though, especially after a new release, it's been just slowdowns. {{User:DEIDATVM/sig}} 21:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
-	the podcasts are gone and have been replaced with subscribe.	+	=== Still Slow ===
		+	It seems that the wiki hasn't fully recovered from its slowdowns back in August.  In the last couple of months I've come across the Job Queue and [[MW:Manual:Job queue|this mediawiki page]] detailing what it is and how it's supposed to function.  I get the impression that currently, all jobs on the wiki are running when a page is being requested.  The page outlines a means by which the jobs can be run in the background (either via cron job or background process; I'd recommend the background process) and then the job run rate could be set to zero (so that pages aren't spending time running jobs while loading). Is this something that is already in place or could this perhaps be implemented in order to improve overall performance even during busy periods? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 11:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
-	== ween09 watch link on main page ==	+	==glitch on the main pages ==
-	it gives 404'd because of no .html at the end. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 17:26, 26 October 2009 (UTC)	+	Noticed a glitch on the main pages, done by holding the cursor on one of the buttons, and then moving away, and then moving your finger off the mouse. to see what this does and what I mean, refer to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgM-NA0Rja4 [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 21:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
-	:Thanks. In the future, please just fix it instead of posting here. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:38, 26 October 2009 (UTC)	+	:There's a whole page about this. [[Main Page Glitches]] {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 21:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
-	::How do I do that? I can't edit the main page directly, so I don't know what templates there are. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 20:33, 26 October 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:::Edit the {{t|whatsnew}} template. To find out what templates are on a page, click edit/view source (depending on whether the page is protected). There's a list of all used templates at the bottom of the page. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:57, 26 October 2009 (UTC)	+
-	== Subtitles being stubborn ==	+	== Why does the website still have the Halloween theme? ==
		+	Halloween ended 18 days ago, and so did October in general, so why does the website still have the Hallow's Eve theme? --{{User:Cy4nIsN0tB1u3/sig}} 04:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
		+	:Because we're still waiting for the annual Fan Costumes toon to close out the season, even if we have to wait [[Decomposing Pumpkins|days after Thanksgiving]]. Also, because the sysops in charge of changing the wiki settings are busy people with lives and tend to wait a while to get around to it. -- [[Special:Contributions/68.37.43.131|68.37.43.131]] 23:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
-	I've tried everything, and I can't seem to get [[Subtitles:ween09/en|these]] subtitles to display for anything. It's mainly the bottom section, because everything was working fine up to that point. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 04:07, 31 October 2009 (UTC)	+	==New Fan Stumes’!==
-	:There is a debug feature built right in. In the Greasemonkey script, choose Test subtitles script from the submenu, and then enter the code you have so far. It'll tell you where the problem is. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:45, 3 November 2009 (UTC)	+
-	== Homestar Runner Quiz ==	+	The 2023 Fan Stumes has been released! And not only that, but my costume from last year is the very first Strong Bad costume! That counts as a fun fact, right? We should probably note that like how we note when a wikian sent a email. [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 17:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
-	The [http://www.geocities.com/jurjyfrort/homestarquiz.html Homestar Runner] quiz has been shut down... This is going to cause some serious problems for userpages with links to images from this quiz. Think it should be noted somewhere? {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 05:37, 1 November 2009 (UTC)	+	== Permafrosted logo? ==
-	:No. That site is not affiliated with us, and we don't encourage image hotlinking. If an external image is broken on a user page, it's really not a concern for the whole wiki. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:50, 3 November 2009 (UTC)	+
-	== Midori Web Browser ==	+	The Decemberween themed logo is still up, but December ended 11 days ago. The weirdest part in my opinion is that there's no d'ween themed colors despide icicles and Homestar's hat. Is there something we're waiting for, like a new not-Decemberween toon?
		+	Yours truly,
		+	The guy who confused Dobbs for Daubs. {{unsigned|206.110.189.60|11 January 2024 16:34 (UTC)}}
-	The navigation menu/etc. in midori is pushed to the bottom of the page on most pages), can anyone fix this? (Wikipedia.org doesn't do this.) {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 13:08, 5 November 2009 (UTC)	+	:I'm not an admin, but I'm assuming the style is simply for the winter season. Even though the Christmas lights have been taken down, it's still a chilly and snowy time of year for {{w|March equinox|at least another month and a half}}. (P.S. Even if you don't have an account, please sign your posts with four tildes: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 17:34, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
-	:I made some minor updates to a couple of files. It should work fine now. (Hard-refresh if it doesn't.) &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:09, 5 November 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:: Thanks Mister of Com, it works haaaaaalllllll right. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 22:33, 5 November 2009 (UTC)	+
-	== quick question ==	+	== Load times and potential solutions ==
-	Hey guys, just wondering, did Homestar Runner wiki's membership increase since the time the Brothers chaps, advertised this wiki on the actual site?	+	The wiki's been crawling along like something funny that crawls along for about a year now. This hasn't been much more than a minor inconvenience on my end, but it comes up pretty frequently on [https://www.reddit.com/r/HomestarRunner/ the Homestar subreddit], with a concerning number saying they haven't been able to access it at all. [https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/hrwiki.org downforeveryoneorjustme.com] consistently insists that the system is down. I don't know what the hosting situation is like, nor am I anything close to an expert on such things, so unfortunately I can't diagnose the issue... But, [[DNA Evidence|after <s>extensive</s> investigation]], I'm ready to release my findings.
		+	*[[Talk:Main Page#Still Slow]] {{--}} A few months ago, [[User:Stux|Stux]] proposed a solution involving MediaWiki's [[mw:Manual:Job queue|job queue]]. Seems like something worth looking into.
		+	*[https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/host-a-website-with-high-availability/ Host a Website with High Availability] {{--}} The wiki's web host Linode features a guide on how to host a website with high availability. I can understand at most seven words of this, and I'm not sure how well it applies to wikis, but it might be helpful to someone. (They also have guides for [https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/security/ssl/ enabling HTTPS], which improves security... Maybe performance too, but I've heard mixed things about that.)
		+	*[[Special:Version]] {{--}} The wiki is currently powered by MediaWiki 1.15, which released in 2011. Later versions have added collapsible elements, citation features, slideshow galleries, an optional visual editor interface, the ability to rename categories, and most relevant to this particular discussion, [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader improved performance]. The current stable release is 1.41.
		+	*[[HRWiki:Donations]] {{--}} I just discovered that [[HRWiki:2011 Server Move|the wiki moved servers in 2011]] to cut back on expenses, which [[HRWiki talk:2011 Server Move#Slowness|apparently resulted in slower load times]] (at least initially, while settings were still being optimized). According to [[Special:Ledger]], there haven't been any donations since then (additionally, it still lists FellowSites hosting dues instead of the new host). I've seen multiple people offering to donate if they could, so if the more recent slowness is once again a financial issue, it might help to [https://www.paypal.com/us/cshelp/article/ts2067 get the donation links working again].
		+	*{{p|l=http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsers&group=developer Special:ListUsers&group=developer}} {{--}} I have no way of knowing how actively people have been working on maintaining backend stuff, but I can see that of the six developers, only [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] and [[User:Tom|Tom]] have been editing consistently since 2016. I realize I'm asking quite a lot of two people at most, and I really don't want to be too demanding... so I can't help but wonder if my suggestions might seem more reasonable if there were more people responsible for backend maintenance. I'm not qualified for that sort of thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were active users with MediaWiki and/or web development experience. As much as I want this wiki to be accessible to more people, I really don't want anyone losing sleep over it.
		+	Anyway, sorry I can't offer more help than this, but I hope someone finds this stuff useful (and that I didn't get anything terribly wrong)! {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 01:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
		+	:Out of curiosity, I decided to use [[Special:Statistics]] and the WayBack Machine to calculate roughly how many people have been affected by the slow load times. After comparing the last seven months (from around the start of the slowdowns to now) to the seven months prior, I found that the average number of edits per day has decreased from 22 to 14, and the average number of active users has dropped from 27 to 17. That's a 37% decrease in ''both'' areas, leading me to believe they are linked by a common cause...
		+	:Unfortunately I couldn't figure out if that percentage corresponded to anything specific, like "37% of people use this certain type of Internet connection"... That information would tell me which people are having problems accessing the wiki, and from there I might be able to research a potential solution, assuming any of that works the way I think it does. Maybe I'll do an off-site poll somewhere, but I'd need to know what information would be most pertinent to ask... Would that be helpful at all? {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 05:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
-	Cheers	+	== Availability of the wiki over https ==
-	[[User:Nikolce Kocovski|Nikolce Kocovski]] 01:18, 6 November 2009 (UTC)	+
-	: It always increases. Did it increase more than usual? Hard to say. We've had a minor spam issue the last month or two - starting a little before TBC "advertised" us - so not all of the users from the last few months are legit. Plus, a number of users made user names but haven't made any contributions through them yet. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:23, 6 November 2009 (UTC)	+
-	== Halloween theme ==	+	Are there any plans to upgrade the wiki from http to https?
-		+	--{{User:UN_TACO/sig}} 00:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
-	Why are you still using the Halloween theme for the website? Halloween is over! O-V-U-R OVER! [[Special:Contributions/64.12.117.66|64.12.117.66]] 13:38, 6 November 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:We always leave them up for a {{p|l={{FULLURL:MediaWiki:Monobook.css|diff=381552&oldid=378779}} few}} {{p|l={{FULLURL:MediaWiki:Monobook.css|diff=512855&oldid=508438}} days}} {{p|l={{FULLURL:MediaWiki:Monobook.css|diff=603723&oldid=598394}} after}} {{p|l={{FULLURL:MediaWiki:Monobook.css|diff=684397&oldid=680602}} Halloween}} each year. I had thought we left them up until the fan costumes commentary came out, but I guess not. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:46, 6 November 2009 (UTC)	+
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-	== Edits ==	+
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-	Have the Chapman Brothers ever made any edits to this Wiki? [[User:Jc iindyysgvxc|Jc iindyysgvxc]] 06:47, 9 November 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:That's something we've [[HRWiki:Questions|occasionally wondered about ourselves]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 06:49, 9 November 2009 (UTC)	+
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-	== Vandalism ==	+
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-	Why do we keep vandalism in page history? Why don't we ever remove it entirely? [[User:Jc iindyysgvxc|Jc iindyysgvxc]] 07:33, 9 November 2009 (UTC)	+
-	: Some vandalism is removed entirely. But given that only certain users even have the ability to remove it? It's usually not worth the hassle. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:50, 9 November 2009 (UTC)	+
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-	== Pumpkin Show ==	+
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-	<s> Hey, um, I'm new to this, but, uh, isn't there a new toon already named "Pumpkin Show"? I don't think anybody put it on the main page or even started an article on it. Okay bye. {{User:Crab Attack1999/sig}} 21:33, 10 November 2009 (UTC) </s>	+
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-	Nevermind that. Also, thanks Omnisweater. 'Kay bye. {{User:Crab Attack1999/sig}} 21:55, 10 November 2009 (UTC)	+
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-	== Wiki user mentions ==	+
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-	I just wanted to pop on and mention my dislike of mentions within articles of the contributions used by TBC and attributing them to users who sent them in. First, if it was not a wiki user it would not be notable. Therefore it should not be notable if it is. Second, they are commenting on fan items but we are not documenting the fans, we are documenting TBC.	+
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-	Finally, if you want your 15 minutes of fame, sending a pic in to TBC to be immortalized on this wiki, that's not really playing by the rules. Going out on a limb here, but how many contributors sent in a pic hoping that TBC would feature it and they could be in an article?	+
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-	I just don't like it. My peace. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:25, 12 November 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:I've never sent anything in, but if I did, I'd kind of hope that TBC would feature it and I could be in an article. I know we love to take ourselves super seriously, but when it comes down to it we're a fan-run knowledge base about an Internet cartoon. I really don't have a problem acknowledging those fans (with sufficient evidence) when relevant. As a wiki user, it is interesting to me when other wiki users have a [[montage#Trivia|direct influence]] on the course of the body of work. As that example shows, the horse left the barn at least five years ago, and there's really no point in shutting the door now. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:36, 12 November 2009 (UTC)	+
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-	== dark monobook? ==	+
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-	I was just wondering if it was possible for me to use an entirely dark skin for hrwiki using just my monobook.css? Or is it not possible? {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 19:19, 12 November 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:Nevermind, I seem to have got it for now. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 19:26, 12 November 2009 (UTC)	+
-	::Oh and, how can I remove those nasty bg images on the front page using monobook? {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 19:48, 12 November 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:::Resolved!!! {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 01:53, 15 December 2009 (UTC)	+
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-	== Image hex dumps ==	+
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-	When i see thumbnails, they are usually glitched up! Heres some proof.	+
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-	[[File:Picture 8.png]]	+
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-	What's with this crap? - [[User:POM Z|POM Z]] 05:27, 14 November 2009 (UTC)	+
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-	:Perhaps it's your computer. I can see thumbnails fine.--{{User:Record307/sig}} 17:01, 14 November 2009 (UTC)	+
-	::+1, I don't see any glitches. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 14:55, 15 November 2009 (UTC)	+
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-	:::I see a BIG glitch there. I don't know how you guys can't see that? -Tothelimit66 {{unsigned|68.60.145.101|23:37, 27 November 2009‎}}	+
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-	::::POM Z, which browser are you using and on which operating system? Thumbnails are all good for me.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:00, 28 November 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:::::68.60.145.101, if you mean the image above, we all see it, that's a screenshot POM Z took. All of the thumbnails look fine to me. {{User:Soiled Bargains/sig}} 18:16, 28 November 2009 (UTC)	+
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-	== Vector Skin? ==	+
-	Im trying to use the Wikipedia Vector skin, but i can't find the .js! Can anyone help? - [[User:POM Z|POM Z]] 18:15, 15 November 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:This isn't Wikipedia. Why don't you ask there. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:12, 15 November 2009 (UTC)	+
-	::The user might've meant where s/he can change the style's JS here on HRWiki. You can do so by [[Special:Mypage/monobook.js|going here]]. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 05:35, 16 December 2009 (UTC)	+
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-	== Happy 10th Berfday, H*R! ==	+
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-	Since we've got a good two months for this i'm gonna ask: Are we having a H*R 10th Anniversary celebration? Like, January 1,2010. That'd be the 10th anniversary. My friend said on November 1,2009 there wasn't any kind of celebration...or even a message (y'know, for Matt's birthday). So, I just wanted to ask. {{User:Crab Attack1999/sig}} 00:12, 17 November 2009 (UTC)	+
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-	:Well, [[Strongest Man in the World|techincally...]] --{{User:Color Printer/sig}} 03:48, 17 November 2009 (UTC)	+
-	::It is, however, the 10th anniversary of homestarrunner.com. As for celebrations, though, I don't really think there's much in the works. Really, what would we do? We're basically a Homestar Runner encyclopedia, not a place for socialization. There's been talk about having a Featured Article themed for that day, but other than that, there's not a whole lot I can think of that we would do that fits our nature as a website. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 03:52, 17 November 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:::"Not a place for socialization."... Errr... Are we not? We sent birthday cards to both Chaps, we have thriving forums and some users met each other in real life. That aside, why '''shouldn't''' we do something for the 10th anniversary? TBC recently strengthened the bond between the two sites in the recent donation drive, and I think we should do something spacial. At least send a card, or something... I know for sure that they themselves are planning a big toon for the occasion (I read in a recent interview), so why shouldn't we? {{User:Elcool/sig}} 05:32, 17 November 2009 (UTC)	+
-	::::When I referred to socialization, I meant something like an on-wiki celebration, which I assumed was what was being referred to in the above post. Something like a card for TBC? Yeah, that could be reasonable. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:41, 17 November 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:::::I won't mind a on-wiki celebration. Maybe we could open our doors for a weekend and let ''anybody'' edit. Oh... We already do that. Well, we can invite everyone to sign up for free... Hmm. That too. How about we let everyone the chance to view the secret archives of every article and see for themselves how the wiki looked like... Err. I think we already do. Ok. I'm out of ideas. {{User:Elcool/sig}} 05:57, 17 November 2009 (UTC)	+
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-	dat would be nice. Matt & Mike deserve a LITTLE celebration, so does the site...... i concur with the birthday cards. HAPPY FREAKIN' BIRTHDAY! and we could show Strong Bad screaming! just like the Mothers Day cartoon. -Tothelimit66	+
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-	How about we all do what we can. Just a little something from each user that celebrates [[TBC]] and [[Homestar Runner (Body of Work)|the glorious thing they've created for all the world to enjoy]]. Maybe someone could make a little flash cartoon or a .GIF, something that goes by in a few seconds saying something like "10 Years". Something along the lines of that. We don't have to really worry about it now, anyway, on account of we've still got...<span style="font-family:System">calculating</span>...32 days and 6 hours before new years day anyways. That should be enough time to make at least something to show our gratitude for the website. I mean, what if we didn't make something and TBC visited and saw there wasn't any kind of thanks or 10 years anywhere? Do you want TBC to think we don't really even care? And, unless your an evil, evil person, you most likely don't want TBC to think we don't really even care. So, we should do something. We don't have to immediately do anything right now, but we should just brainstorm out some ideas. {{User:Crab Attack1999/sig}} 23:00, 28 November 2009 (UTC)	+
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-	:I got a little excited so I sloppily threw together a short Flash animation/presentation in around fifteen minutes. It's a rough draft, so keep that in mind when you notice the "rough edges", such as the lack of fading for the H*R logo and the lack of fading for the Comp&eacute;. I was thinking that around the 15-second mark, when the images fade away, that there could be a few fading messages or quotes or ''thank-you''s or ''yay''s or usernames... I dunno. [http://htwins.net/10yrs.swf Here's the rough draft.] Suggestions, please? Mean remarks are okay, too. &mdash; {{User:Fotoshop/sig}} 01:13, 30 November 2009 (UTC)	+
-	::That's actually pretty good. Could probably add the Everybody Everybody music or something.	+
-	:::Isnt the anniversery the sixth? Though, that doesn't give us a lot of time, but still. {{User:StrongAwesome74/sig}} 22:21, 1 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	::::That's extra-terri-cular-iffic! No, seriously, that was very grood. Beats my animation, I can't animate anything better than windows movie maker and microsoft paint (which, of course, wouldn't be actual animation, more like a slideshow of pictures). More to the point, it's something that could be of use to stuff we could do. And, as the wiki itself (and Wikipedia, I checked just to make sure) states that the launch date was January 1, 2000. So, it's a sorta Tenthennial Extravaganza. Or, as Crackotage would say, "A Tenthennial Extravaganza. Guest-starring Tony Danza... and (for no reason, whatsoever) some guy from Bonanza." I just know they're (probably) gonna have some toon to celebrate. {{User:Crab Attack1999/sig}} 22:09, 3 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:::::Heh, heh, thanks for the compliments!... but... suggestions, please? &mdash; {{User:Fotoshop/sig}} 04:09, 4 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	::::::Hmmm. Suggestions, suggestions...maybe some background music. Everybody Everybody, like someone said above. Or, you could do the music from Old Intro and Old Intro 2. Or, maybe a quick comment from Strong Bad. He could say something like "Wow we're old." Well, that's just something he could say. You could probably think of something better for him to say, that was just an example. He could say something smart-alickey and clever. Something he would say. {{User:Crab Attack1999/sig}} 18:38, 5 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::May I suggest something? I think there should be some dramatic music in there. '''Back on Topic''': There's probably the possibility that TBC will check the wiki on New Years, unless they forget (but how could they forget?). So we certainly need to do something. So, a card is a good idea. {{User:Stupid Hippie/sig}} 20:55, 7 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::Well, whatever we're doing we need to decide on it NOW. There's only 11 days left for this. So, we really should decide soon. I for one vote we do a card. And maybe a little banner at the top, too. But, seriously we should decide sometime this week. Not a lot of time left. {{User:C-Son-L Sweaters/sig}} 22:02, 21 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::Maybe make a flash intro to the wiki? I don't know. We should have a page for ideas other then the main page discussion. {{User:The thing/sig}} 22:04, 21 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::::We could also try this. Using Powerpoint, Selteco Flash and Trillix Decompiler, I managed to make these. Perhaps we could use them on the <s>Main Page</s>. {{User:That'sBupkis/sig}} 00:33, 22 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::::Actually, these are not bad! I like those old versions! How about a storybook version of the wiki logo, too? {{User:Elcool/sig}} 04:13, 22 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::::::I don't think I have the proper add-on (or whatever) installed to view that because I couldn't see it. How 'bout instead, you do the external link without the brackets at the beginning and end so we can just see the picture with out having to go through a link? {{User:C-Son-L Sweaters/sig}} 23:06, 22 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	<s>homestar-10thannfade.png<br>	+
-	strongbad-10thannfade.png</s>	+
-	:{{User:That'sBupkis/sig}} 23:29, 22 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	::Nope. I guess I don't have the proper add-on (or whatever) installed, because it's still not showing the picture. It's showing one of those white boxes with the red "X" on the right side with the file's name in the middle part of the box.	+
-	::It looks kinda like this:	+
-	{| style="margin-left:6em"	+
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-	{|class="wikitable"	+
-	|align="right"|'''<span style="color:#F00">X</span>'''	+
-	|align="center"|homestar-10thannfade.png	+
-	|}	+
-	| And this: ||	+
-	{|class="wikitable"	+
-	|align="right"|'''<span style="color:#F00">X</span>'''	+
-	|align="center"|strongbad-10thannfade.png	+
-	|}	+
-	|}	+
-	::So, I must not have the proper add-on thing installed to see it. {{User:C-Son-L Sweaters/sig}} 23:12, 23 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:::This is [[coloring|red-iculous]]. If you have an image that you're suggesting we use on the wiki, then just upload it here so we can see it. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:35, 24 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	[[Image:homestar-10thannfade.png|300px|right]]	+
-	[[Image:strongbad-10thannfade.png|300px|right]]	+
-	::::Here are the pictures. Sorry about that whole MediaFire thing. I won't do that again. {{User:That'sBupkis/sig}} 15:10, 24 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:::::Oh, hey, I like that a lot. We could do the logo in an early-Homestar version too. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:48, 24 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	::::::Good idea! I'll get to work on that, and upload it when I'm done. {{User:That'sBupkis/sig}} 19:28, 24 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	[[Image:wiki-10thann.png|right|120px]]	+
-	::::::::Well, here it is. {{User:That'sBupkis/sig}} 20:09, 24 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::Hmm...What program did you use to make this?--{{User:Record307/sig}} 20:13, 24 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::::I used Selteco Flash to make the logo. {{User:That'sBupkis/sig}} 20:18, 24 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::::Fotoshop, I like the Flash! I could give you a better rip of the music, if you want. {{User:Soiled Bargains/sig}} 21:35, 24 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::::::Okay, SB (Soiled Bargains), I want! ... it... the rip... of the music, please! Just email it to mike@htwins.net, please! &mdash; {{User:Fotoshop/sig}} 23:18, 26 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::::::Thanks, [[User:That'sBupkis]]. Those are great. I guess I should've went on MS Paint and made a little somethin' somethin', but I got caught up with the Holidays. I've still got three more relatives to visit (I wish they didn't live so far away...it's a two hour drive), so I might not be able to do anything right yet. I'll try and get started on it around Tuesday. I won't be able to do anything on Wednesday or Thursday and I won't be able to get much done tomorrow, so I'll try and make something on Tuesday and I'll upload it when I'm done. Anyways, we could use those pictures on the Main Page or something. We only have until Friday, though. So if we're gonna do that, we betta' get crack-a-lackin'. {{User:C-Son-L Sweaters/sig}} 19:23, 27 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	<div style="float:right; clear:right">[[File:OldHRclosed.png|90x90px]] [[File:OldHRopen.png|90x90px]]</div>	+
-	::::::::::::::Okay, I've decompiled some .swf's and here are a couple antialiased .pngs anyone can use! &mdash; {{User:Fotoshop/sig}} 05:09, 29 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::::::::Alright, we're getting further and further along with each passing day. {{User:C-Son-L Sweaters/sig}} 21:18, 29 December 2009 (UTC)	+
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-	Alright, we've only two days left. More specifically, 4 hours, 40 minutes and one day. If someone has something they want to suggest or present, now would be the time. Today is probably the last day for ideas, as tomorrow we're going to have to start preparing. How are you with that Flash Intro, FotoShop? {{User:C-Son-L Sweaters/sig}} 20:20, 30 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:We've kinda run out of time on getting together the Flash intro or a card, but that's okay, because the Main Page styles will be good. I think I've got enough ideas from the suggestions above to put it together, but it's not too late to make a suggestion. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:15, 31 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	::I hate to ask this so late, but FotoShop, which page did you rip the music from? It's dot com, maybe a Flash ''and'' a card. I wish I could think of something myself, but...darn it. I can't think of anything! {{User:Soiled Bargains/sig}} 03:03, 31 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:::Go forward! Move ahead! Try to detect it! It's not too late! We still have one more day to decide what we're going to do. {{User:That'sBupkis/sig}} 03:22, 31 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	::::The time for deciding has pretty much passed. We're going to make a throwback Main Page style accompanied by a congratulatory note across the top. I'm actually pretty close to being finished setting it up. Any new ideas at this point need to be blow-you-out-of-the-water amazing, and I don't think there's time now to make a Flash intro that fits that criterion. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:29, 31 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:::::Wait, TBC registered H*R.com on New Years Day? I thought they did it on December 6th or 7th? [[User:SBE-mail Checker Dan|SBE-mail Checker Dan]] 17:48, 31 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:::::See the [[timeline of Homestar Runner]]. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:03, 31 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	::::::It seems that alot of users also agree to the card. What if we create a page on the wiki where users can sign it with a comment, like the [[Yearbook Character Page]], where it could be like:<br><br>	+
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-	Happy 10th, --User:User1	+
-	:Happy freakin' homestarrunner.com day! --User:User2	+
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-	::::::{{User:That'sBupkis/sig}} 18:14, 31 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	[[File:OldHRTitle.png|right|120px]]	+
-	:::::::I still think we should go with a card and a Flash. But I think we should be open to any ideas, since anything we do will be finished late, anyway. {{User:Soiled Bargains/sig}} 20:08, 31 December 2009 (UTC)	+
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-	Okay, I've thrown together a title image for the tenth anniversary. Notice it says "''The'' Homestar Runner Wiki". If there's time, do you think that maybe, y'know, it could be used for the wiki? &mdash; {{User:Fotoshop/sig}} 04:26, 1 January 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::Great jerb there, Fotoshop. I uh, I said you did a good jorb out there! A GREAT JEERRB!! {{User:That'sBupkis/sig}} 04:36, 1 January 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::Hey, um, was the logo changed? Or is it still being worked on? 'Cause for me the logo is still the normal background with the frozen Bauhaus '93 type and Homestar still wearing his snow hat. {{User:C-Son-L Sweaters/sig}} 17:30, 1 January 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::Dunno. Maybe you need to clear your cache? {{User:Stupid Hippie/sig}} 17:37, 1 January 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::According to the page source, it hasn't been put up yet. {{User:That'sBupkis/sig}} 17:53, 1 January 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::Oh, alright. Thanks, Bupkis [[M'n]]! {{User:C-Son-L Sweaters/sig}} 17:56, 1 January 2010 (UTC)	+
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-	Okay, just to sum things up for some people who are confused as to what day the Anniversary is. It is today. While, yes, the Site was registered on December 6, 1999, it was launched on January 1, 2000. We are celebrating the day the Site was launched not registered. Which means the Anniversary is today. Thank you. {{User:C-Son-L Sweaters/sig}} 18:07, 1 January 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:So, in an attempt to get something late in, ''are'' we going to start a card? {{User:Soiled Bargains/sig}}	+
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-	== Decemberween Theme ==	+
-	So, when are we putting up the decemberween theme for the wiki?--{{User:Record307/sig}} 03:32, 10 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:Looking at the history, we usually don't switch the theme for another week, week and a half. We could switch earlier though, if people wanted. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:37, 11 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	::Well, Decemberween is in two weeks. So, we should probably put the theme up sometime next week. {{User:Crab Attack1999/sig}} 22:19, 11 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:::What's the name of the File for the Decemberween Logo? {{User:C-Son-L Sweaters/sig}} 21:55, 21 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	::::[http://www.hrwiki.org/w/skins/common/images/wiki-dween.gif wiki-dween.gif]. Sorry if we're not supposed to link to this. {{User:That'sBupkis/sig}} 22:21, 21 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:::::I don't see why not, since it's publicly available from the Common.css. {{User:HRjcm/sig}} 22:32, 21 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	::::::Okay, thanks guys. {{User:C-Son-L Sweaters/sig}} 23:06, 22 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::After all, it is a website component that you can't right-click and save. {{User:That'sBupkis/sig}} 15:51, 24 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::That's true. When I right click the logo, "Save Picture" or "Save Picture As" or any of those related options '''don't''' come up, instead it has options about the link to the Main Page. Do you have the file name of the Halloween Logo, too? I don't have a .gif of the Halloween Logo yet. {{User:C-Son-L Sweaters/sig}} 19:36, 27 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::I thought maybe they were trying to protect the logo from modification? Anyways, the link to the Halloween logo is titled [http://www.hrwiki.org/w/skins/common/images/wiki-ween.gif wiki-ween.gif]. {{User:That'sBupkis/sig}} 00:20, 28 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::::Okay. Thanks a million, <s> [[Strong Bad]] </s> {{User:C-Son-L Sweaters/sig}} 00:25, 28 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== Milestones ==	+
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-	What are the milestone articles? [[User:Jc iindyysgvxc|Jc iindyysgvxc]] 05:03, 12 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:I think it's very hard to find out, or maybe even Impossible. When we reached the 2000th article, the admins checked and found out there was a problem with the counting system, and recounted. Then we suddenly had a little bit more then 2000, so we missed that mark. Probably. {{User:Elcool/sig}} 05:24, 12 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	::Plus we're all the time adding and deleting articles, so the number is always changing, in various places. We could have something at number 15, and then delete 2, 3, 7, and 18 the next day, affecting the placement of everything else. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 06:13, 12 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:::Also, there is the case that an article could have entered or left stub-ery, which would also affect the placement. {{User:Soiled Bargains/sig}} 00:45, 2 January 2010 (UTC)	+
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-	== Password ==	+
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-	Is there any way I can make a temporary password my permanent password? I forgot my original password. Also, instead of giving a temporary password to users with the "Email New Password" button, you should give them a permanent password, like on Bulbapedia. [[User:Deletehead No. 123193|Deletehead No. 123193]] 16:23, 19 December 2009 (UTC)	+
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-	== Image = File ==	+
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-	Should all the "image:" images (example:<nowiki>[[Image:TheCheat.PNG]]]]</nowiki>) be changed to "file:" images? (example:<nowiki>[[File:TheCheat.PNG]]</nowiki>) or does it not matter? {{User:The thing/sig}} 17:22, 20 December 2009 (UTC)	+
-	:It really doesn't matter as it's all backwards compatible with the namespace alias, and doing so would just add needless revisions... there's no harm in lumping that change with another, major revision you make to a page, but not much is gained even from that. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:00, 20 December 2009 (UTC)	+
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-	==Stinkoday?==	+
-	In honour of Stinkoman's birthday, we should change the logo to 1-Up on the logo!	+
-	Whaddya' say? {{User:A Website/sig}}	+
-	:We'll see. We've got other logo changes going on already, with another one to come in the next couple of days. But maybe. (Or we could just go whole hog and change our logo all the time like Google.) &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:34, 29 December 2009 (UTC)	+
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-	== Old Wiki ==	+
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-	Are there any articles from the old Wiki that 1) didn't get moved to the new Wiki or 2) were deleted or moved at some point after being moved to the new Wiki? [[User:RickTommy|RickTommy]] 22:04, 1 January 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:If by "Old Wiki" you mean the WikiTikiTavi Homestar Runner Wiki, then yes. Even though I wasn't registered back then (I was only 8 and had little knowledge, if any, about the internet and computers) there had to be. They were probably pages that didn't cite enough information and nonsensical useless pages created by vandals. {{User:C-Son-L Sweaters/sig}} 22:57, 1 January 2010 (UTC)	+
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-	== Menu ==	+
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-	Why do some toons/games have a full Flash menu when right-clicking, while others have just Settings and About Flash Player? [[User:RickTommy|RickTommy]] 22:13, 1 January 2010 (UTC)	+
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-	:You have to give more information. What do you mean "Menu"? There are a lot of Menus and you could be talking about anyone of them. And are you talking about something here on the Wiki, or something on Homestarrunner.com? Because there are many menus on both sites. Be more specific so someone can help you out. {{User:C-Son-L Sweaters/sig}} 22:20, 1 January 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::It's because of the <code>menu="false"</code> attribute in the <code>embed</code> tag. Not all toons/games have that attribute, so some have menus (usually older stuff). &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:24, 1 January 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::Oh, he's talking about how The King of Town and In Search of the Yello-Dello have menus. They're both old (from the year 2000) and have menus. Also the Sbemail 169 Deleted Scene had that, too. Is that what he's asking about? {{User:C-Son-L Sweaters/sig}} 22:31, 1 January 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::No, I belive he's talking about right-clicking. You know, like in the flash file. You can right-click, and a bunch of options(like rewind, forward, and play)pop up. {{User:Star Guy/sig}} 05:17, 2 January 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::Oh, wait I got it now. Flash Files. Yes, that's it. Flash Files (.swfs) have the full flash menu and others (.htmls) only have settings and about adobe flash player. {{User:C-Son-L Sweaters/sig}} 15:36, 2 January 2010 (UTC)	+
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-	== See also: crap for brains. See also: carp for brains... ==	+
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-	I have a question on the technical work on the wiki. What happens when a redirect links to a page that redirects to ''that'' page? Will it freeze up, or will it not autodirect? If nobody knows, shall we test it?--[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 03:46, 2 January 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:You'd end up at the original page. The system won't allow infinite redirect loops. To explain, let's call two pages A and B, which each redirects to the other. Until recently, only one redirect was allowed, so if you clicked on A you'd end up on B, and vice versa. With the last upgrade, multiple redirects were allowed. Our limit, however, is set at two, so now clicking on A redirects to B, which then redirects back to A, and it stops there. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:18, 2 January 2010 (UTC)	+

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Contents 1 sbemail templates 2 Trogday decor 3 How many references do you need? 4 Songs archive 5 dot dot dot 6 Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual? 7 Editing user pages 8 Wiki availability 8.1 Still Slow 9 glitch on the main pages 10 Why does the website still have the Halloween theme? 11 New Fan Stumes’! 12 Permafrosted logo? 13 Load times and potential solutions 14 Availability of the wiki over https

[edit] sbemail templates

See Talk:Strong Bad Email → sbemail templates

[edit] Trogday decor

Does the Featured content of the day (or whenever) template automatically switch to different links on certain days? Such as linking to dragon, Trogday '08 and other things when the time comes? Or is that done manually? Because tomorrow is Trogday. - HoveringSombrero (talk)

It's not automatic, but as you can see (at the time of this writing), the decorations were indeed put up to coincide with Trogday. — It's dot com 01:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

[edit] How many references do you need?

How many references to a thing need to be on a page for the thing the page is about to become a real page? Just curious because my mock-up seinfeld page includes eight references to the titular show. The page on The Big Lebowski has the same amount of references... so do I just make a Seinfeld page now? ----J∃ffJMan 20:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

done and done ----J∃ffJMan 20:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

See our inclusion guidelines. — It's dot com 21:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Songs archive

Would it be OK if I created a subpage to my user page with a complete archive of every existing song in the Homestar universe? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:28, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure we have that covered. — It's dot com 23:18, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Well, I was gonna add MP3 files with them, so people could download them and stuff. Is that still OK? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 00:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

No, that's not what the user space is for. — It's dot com 00:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

[edit] dot dot dot

Why come whenever I try to link to lady…ing and Cheat Commandos…O's, the link is broken? Is it because of those ellipses? — HoveringSombrero (talk)

Sort of! "…" is different from "...", it's a single character rather than three periods. Try highlighting it and you can see. This is kind of like the difference between “curly quotes” and "straight quotes" - in both cases, the former is typically made via autocorrect in word processors or mobile keyboards, while the latter is preferred by the wiki. So while lady…ing and lady...ing may look the same, they are actually two different typed entries. -- Bleu Ninja 22:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

I've added redirects to fix the issue. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 23:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! — HoveringSombrero (talk)

[edit] Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual?

Strong Bad Email has been in the sidebar for as long as I can remember, presumably because it was the most popular and most actively updated portion of the website. With the Twitter account handily outpacing both sbemails and "H*R.com updates" (not to mention the CGI Paper directing viewers to tweet rather than email), might it be worth adding it over there? I know I regularly find myself navigating to the @StrongBadActual page(s) to fill out "Fast Forward" sections of pages or to find dates when an item or project was mentioned. -- Bleu Ninja 20:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree (and I'm not going to do the whole "Don't you think I agree" part, this isn't E-mail Birds, but it is bird season.), and I fully support putting it there. It's a handy page and we've put a lot of work into cataloging every post made by strong bad on twitter, with fun facts to boot! So consider this my SUPPORT. ----J∃ffJMan 22:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I also SUPPORT. — HoveringSombrero (talk)

, So I SUPPORT this too, but I like having easy access to the Strong Bad Email page, considering I usually watch the sbemails by clicking on the external links. So, maybe we keep both? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Maybe we link to it as [[@StrongBadActual Tweets 2023|Twitter]] and put it above Strong Bad Email and underneath Recent changes? — HoveringSombrero (talk)

GREAT IDEA! I like it! I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 18:00, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Editing user pages

Alright, so, I've been thinking. The block log has a lot of "user banned for editing userpages of other users". So, the main page, for example, has a system so only sysops can edit it. What if we add a system to all user pages that basically makes it impossible for anybody but the user to edit it? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

The thing is, I feel sysops / admins / wiki bots should probably still be able to edit user pages. For example, an admin fixing a bug on the page or a bot auto-replacing a link. But I agree that no one else should edit other user pages. Or somehow make a system where users can choose who can edit the page. — HoveringSombrero (talk) 18:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

We already have explicit guidelines on who can and should edit user pages. If a user page is edited for anything other than a legitimate reason, the edit typically gets quickly reverted. No harm done. Anyone that might be banned in relation to user page edits is most likely doing it in a disruptive manner. In any case, the block logs mostly include bans for spamming. There really is no compelling reason to add user page security settings or tools for this. --Stux 21:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki availability

For about the past week, I haven't been able to access the HRWiki, and downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently confirmed (and still does) that hrwiki.org is down. However, I see that plenty of edits have been made to the wiki in that time, so obviously it wasn't entirely down. Basically, I've been presented with a white screen that occasionally loaded the hills in the background and sometimes the Homestar logo in the top-left corner, and if I moved the mouse around the screen, it would recognize where links and drop-down menus were, but it wouldn't show me any text for the links and all. Any idea what may have happened/be happening? The Knights Who Say Ni 20:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Hey Knights. Usually, when a big update is released, wiki activity jumps exponentially and typically the wiki reaction times can slow down to a crawl. Pages still load but they take forever and one must be patient. Eventually that goes away as edits taper down. However, for a site like "downforeveryoneorjustme", their timeout is likely far shorter than regular browsers when reporting if a site is down. In your particular case it seems that not all website elements are loading and some may be timing out and not loading at all. I'd typically expect that behavior during peak edit times. Hope this helps a tiny bit! --Stux 06:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

At some point I did see pages seemingly load but remain blank unless I interacted with the tab in some way, though that could have been a browser issue, it never really prevented me from accessing the wiki, and I haven't been experiencing it for a while. I've also had some "unable to connect" errors because sometimes when loading the wiki, it attempts to load an https URL. Most of the time, though, especially after a new release, it's been just slowdowns. DEI DAT VM^┌_{datvm center}\^{super contra}_┘ 21:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Still Slow

It seems that the wiki hasn't fully recovered from its slowdowns back in August. In the last couple of months I've come across the Job Queue and this mediawiki page detailing what it is and how it's supposed to function. I get the impression that currently, all jobs on the wiki are running when a page is being requested. The page outlines a means by which the jobs can be run in the background (either via cron job or background process; I'd recommend the background process) and then the job run rate could be set to zero (so that pages aren't spending time running jobs while loading). Is this something that is already in place or could this perhaps be implemented in order to improve overall performance even during busy periods? --Stux 11:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

[edit] glitch on the main pages

Noticed a glitch on the main pages, done by holding the cursor on one of the buttons, and then moving away, and then moving your finger off the mouse. to see what this does and what I mean, refer to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgM-NA0Rja4 I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 21:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

There's a whole page about this. Main Page Glitches Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 21:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Why does the website still have the Halloween theme?

Halloween ended 18 days ago, and so did October in general, so why does the website still have the Hallow's Eve theme? --Cy4nIsN0tB1u3 04:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Because we're still waiting for the annual Fan Costumes toon to close out the season, even if we have to wait days after Thanksgiving. Also, because the sysops in charge of changing the wiki settings are busy people with lives and tend to wait a while to get around to it. -- 68.37.43.131 23:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

[edit] New Fan Stumes’!

The 2023 Fan Stumes has been released! And not only that, but my costume from last year is the very first Strong Bad costume! That counts as a fun fact, right? We should probably note that like how we note when a wikian sent a email. I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 17:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Permafrosted logo?

The Decemberween themed logo is still up, but December ended 11 days ago. The weirdest part in my opinion is that there's no d'ween themed colors despide icicles and Homestar's hat. Is there something we're waiting for, like a new not-Decemberween toon? Yours truly, The guy who confused Dobbs for Daubs. — 206.110.189.60 (Talk | contribs) 11 January 2024 16:34 (UTC) (left unsigned)

I'm not an admin, but I'm assuming the style is simply for the winter season. Even though the Christmas lights have been taken down, it's still a chilly and snowy time of year for at least another month and a half. (P.S. Even if you don't have an account, please sign your posts with four tildes: ~~~~) -- Bleu Ninja 17:34, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

[edit] Load times and potential solutions

The wiki's been crawling along like something funny that crawls along for about a year now. This hasn't been much more than a minor inconvenience on my end, but it comes up pretty frequently on the Homestar subreddit, with a concerning number saying they haven't been able to access it at all. downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently insists that the system is down. I don't know what the hosting situation is like, nor am I anything close to an expert on such things, so unfortunately I can't diagnose the issue... But, after extensive investigation, I'm ready to release my findings.

• Talk:Main Page#Still Slow — A few months ago, Stux proposed a solution involving MediaWiki's job queue. Seems like something worth looking into.
• Host a Website with High Availability — The wiki's web host Linode features a guide on how to host a website with high availability. I can understand at most seven words of this, and I'm not sure how well it applies to wikis, but it might be helpful to someone. (They also have guides for enabling HTTPS, which improves security... Maybe performance too, but I've heard mixed things about that.)
• Special:Version — The wiki is currently powered by MediaWiki 1.15, which released in 2011. Later versions have added collapsible elements, citation features, slideshow galleries, an optional visual editor interface, the ability to rename categories, and most relevant to this particular discussion, improved performance. The current stable release is 1.41.
• HRWiki:Donations — I just discovered that the wiki moved servers in 2011 to cut back on expenses, which apparently resulted in slower load times (at least initially, while settings were still being optimized). According to Special:Ledger, there haven't been any donations since then (additionally, it still lists FellowSites hosting dues instead of the new host). I've seen multiple people offering to donate if they could, so if the more recent slowness is once again a financial issue, it might help to get the donation links working again.
• Special:ListUsers&group=developer — I have no way of knowing how actively people have been working on maintaining backend stuff, but I can see that of the six developers, only It's dot com and Tom have been editing consistently since 2016. I realize I'm asking quite a lot of two people at most, and I really don't want to be too demanding... so I can't help but wonder if my suggestions might seem more reasonable if there were more people responsible for backend maintenance. I'm not qualified for that sort of thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were active users with MediaWiki and/or web development experience. As much as I want this wiki to be accessible to more people, I really don't want anyone losing sleep over it.

Anyway, sorry I can't offer more help than this, but I hope someone finds this stuff useful (and that I didn't get anything terribly wrong)! Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 01:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, I decided to use Special:Statistics and the WayBack Machine to calculate roughly how many people have been affected by the slow load times. After comparing the last seven months (from around the start of the slowdowns to now) to the seven months prior, I found that the average number of edits per day has decreased from 22 to 14, and the average number of active users has dropped from 27 to 17. That's a 37% decrease in both areas, leading me to believe they are linked by a common cause...

Unfortunately I couldn't figure out if that percentage corresponded to anything specific, like "37% of people use this certain type of Internet connection"... That information would tell me which people are having problems accessing the wiki, and from there I might be able to research a potential solution, assuming any of that works the way I think it does. Maybe I'll do an off-site poll somewhere, but I'd need to know what information would be most pertinent to ask... Would that be helpful at all? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 05:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

[edit] Availability of the wiki over https

Are there any plans to upgrade the wiki from http to https? --UN TACO 00:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)