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-	== RSS ==
-	How closely to new toons, etc is the feedburner page updated? {{User:Open Source Greg/sig}} 10:57, 19 April 2010 (UTC)	+	''It has been [[HRWiki talk:Main page redesign|suggested]] that the Main Page be redesigned. Feel free to use [[HRWiki:Main page redesign|its project page]] for proposed redesigns.''
-	:Most likely around the same time the toon is uploaded. --[[User:Essence of Ghost Water|Essence of Ghost Water]] 12:41, 19 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	I believe I have a [http://validator.w3.org/unicorn/check?ucn_uri=hrwiki.org%2Fw%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DSpecial%3ARecentChanges%26feed%3Drss&ucn_task=feed#feed_warning bug report] about the Recent Changes RSS feed.  See I had subscribed to the feed in [http://brief.mozdev.org/ my feed reader] and because of the warnings, I'm constantly seeing the same entries pop-up over and over again in my reader.	+	== sbemail templates ==
		+	:''See [[Talk:Strong Bad Email#sbemail templates|Talk:Strong Bad Email → sbemail templates]]''
-	I like read all 40 currently present and then some time later the 40 come back with only one or a few new and the rest I already read. --[[User:Ngamer01|Ngamer01]] 17:55, 30 August 2010 (UTC)	+	== Trogday decor ==
-	== Xeriouxly Forxe Pic ==	+	Does the '''Featured content of the day (or whenever)''' template automatically switch to different links on certain days? Such as linking to [[dragon]], [[Trogday '08]] and other things when the time comes? Or is that done manually? Because tomorrow is Trogday. - [[User:HoveringSombrero|HoveringSombrero]] ([[User talk:HoveringSombrero|talk]]) [[File:Shoulder shoomps.png|23px]]
-	On the What's New area, Xeriouxly Forxe toon's pic is the copyright picture. Is that intentional? 22:15, 20 April 2010 (UTC)	+	:It's not automatic, but as you can see (at the time of this writing), the decorations were indeed put up to coincide with Trogday. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
-	:I knew i'd heard this somewhere before. it took me a minute to find it, but [[Template_talk:whatsnew#Xeriously|here it is]]. {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 22:28, 20 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::Now that April Fools' is over, I made a Xeriouxly Forxe icon and switched it to that. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:56, 20 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::But will the Xeriouxly icon even be used in the future? We don't even know if TBC will make the XF it's own spin-off. {{User:Nova Scotia/sig}} 23:58, 20 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::Then I won't charge you anything for making the icon. You can have it for free and hold it in reserve in case they ever do. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:01, 21 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	== First Time Here ==	+	== How many references do you need? ==
-	Has the First Time Here bot's text ever been changed since its creation? Because it is in desperate need of updates. Also, the following line needs to be reworded:	+	How many references to a thing need to be on a page for the thing the page is about to become a real page? Just curious because my mock-up seinfeld page includes eight references to the titular show. The page on [[The Big Lebowski]] has the same amount of references... so do I just make a [[Seinfeld]] page now? ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 20:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	:done and done ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 20:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	::See our [[HRWiki:Inclusion guidelines|inclusion guidelines]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
-	"If you're looking for more community interaction, you can also register over at our forum, or if you're feeling creative, you can register separately at the fanstuff wiki." But now the Knowledge Base and the Fanstuff have the same user database, so you shouldn't really register separately. And on a side note, why was the Fanstuff Wiki reopened when it was said [[User talk:It's dot com#When will the fanstuff wiki be back?|here]] that it would never be reopened? And why do they now share the same user databases? {{User:RickTommy/sig}} 13:42, 23 April 2010 (UTC)	+	== Songs archive ==
-	:You might want to check the timestamps in the reply you linked to. That's a good catch though on the First Time Here bot. I'll fix it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:13, 23 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	== Proper Placement of Quotation Marks ==	+	Would it be OK if I created a subpage to my user page with a complete archive of every existing song in the Homestar universe? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:28, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	:I'm pretty sure we [[Songs|have that covered]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:18, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	::Well, I was gonna add MP3 files with them, so people could download them and stuff. Is that still OK? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 00:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	:::No, that's not what the user space is for. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
-	I just noticed [http://www.hrwiki.org/w/index.php?diff=700141&oldid=699872 this], and was wondering if there was a discussion on proper quotation placement. In the united states, it's punctuation then quotation mark, but elsewhere--mainly--it's quotation mark then punctuation. Or so I have learned. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 21:31, 25 April 2010 (UTC)	+	== dot dot dot ==
-	:See [[HRWiki:Manual_of_Style#Quotation_marks]]. {{User:Elcool/sig}} 21:56, 25 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::Actually, it's ALWAYS punctuation before quotation marks. {{User:Open Source Greg/sig}} 08:44, 26 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::No, it's not. In the US, traditionally grammarians have said always to put the full stop or comma before the close quote; in the UK, it's standard to follow the sense of whether the full stop or comma belongs with the quoted material. Examples: 1. ''She said "I want to go to some pizza place."'' 2. ''She said she wanted to go to "some pizza place".'' The Wiki generally follows US standards for spelling and punctuation, but here we've made an exception and tend to use the latter system. It's not clear to me exactly why we do so, but I'm still for it because honestly, the US system doesn't make any sense at all and I refuse to follow it, anyway. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 08:55, 26 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::Hear, hear. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 08:57, 26 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::That's about how i've gone about editing the wiki ever since [http://www.hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Blatant_Lies&diff=prev&oldid=661862 this edit] was changed. <small>for some reason i still remember that.</small> I wasn't sure which one it was, and apparently i guessed wrong. by now i have a better feel for how it's done here, and i just know when to use ." this and when to use ". that. i think i made that particular edit based on OSG's rule. and i am an American, yet i have to agree w/what heimstern said about the rule not making any sense. and the previous sentence from yet onward may be disregarded when concerning question marks (which is the rule that threw me off on that edit haha). <--which brings us to a similar question: what about periods before or after parentheses and parenthetical phrases? {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 09:31, 26 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::parentheses, square brackets, curly brackets, etc. [should] follow the exact same rules as quotation marks. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 10:36, 26 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::Periods almost never go inside a closing parenthesis (and I can't think of any time that a comma does). (Only if the entire sentence is in parentheses does the period go inside.) As for quotation marks, I strongly prefer the U.S. style in printed materials, like magazines and books, but for the wiki I prefer our custom style because of the default font we use. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:29, 26 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::And what about parenthetical phrases <font color=#00A000>(like, whether or not a question mark should go before or after the green)</font>? this isn't a good example, but at least it shows what i'm talking about. {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 03:33, 3 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::You should be able to remove a parenthetical phrase from a sentence and still have it make grammatical sense. If you put the question mark inside the green, and then removed the green, the sentence would be missing its terminal punctuation. But you can still sneak questions in with declarative statements, like this (see?). &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:03, 3 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::::i already know what happens ''inside'' the green. i'm asking about before the ( vs. after the ). {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 18:20, 3 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::::After. A parenthetical phrase either has to be a part of a sentence (in which case the punctuation of the outer sentence comes after the closing parenthesis), or it should be a sentence that can stand by itself. (In the latter case, the punctuation goes inside the parentheses because the whole sentence can be removed.) &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:12, 3 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::::::[[http://hrwiki.org/wiki/HRWiki:Changing_username/Archive#Another_Strong_Badian|Here's]] a funny example of this issue. The user asked if he could be renamed "President Cold One", but because he put the question mark inside the quotation marks, Tom thought he meant "President Cold One?".	+
-	::::::::::::Heimstern: If you refuse to follow putting puncuation marks inside quotes, why did you do so in [http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Crime_and_Punishment&diff=701873&oldid=701867 this edit]?	+
-	== Admin ==	+	Why come whenever I try to link to [[lady…ing]] and [[Cheat Commandos…O's]], the link is broken? Is it because of those ellipses? {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
		+	:Sort of! "…" is different from "...", it's a single character rather than three periods. Try highlighting it and you can see. This is kind of like the difference between “curly quotes” and "straight quotes" - in both cases, the former is typically made via autocorrect in word processors or mobile keyboards, while the latter is preferred by the wiki. So while [[lady…ing]] and [[lady...ing]] may ''look'' the same, they are actually two different typed entries. --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 22:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	::I've added redirects to fix the issue. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 23:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	:::Thanks! {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
-	It's been just over five years since we last had an [[HRWiki:April 2005 Sysop Nominations|admin nom]]. Can we have another one soon? {{User:RickTommy/sig}} 13:27, 26 April 2010 (UTC)	+	== Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual? ==
-	:We're right for now. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 13:38, 26 April 2010 (UTC)	+
-	== There is no spoon ==	+	[[Strong Bad Email]] has been in the sidebar for as long as I can remember, presumably because it was the most popular and most actively updated portion of the website. With the Twitter account handily outpacing both sbemails and "H*R.com updates" (not to mention the [[CGI Paper]] directing viewers to tweet rather than email), might it be worth adding it over there? I know I regularly find myself navigating to the [[@StrongBadActual]] page(s) to fill out "Fast Forward" sections of pages or to find dates when an item or project was mentioned. --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 20:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	:I agree (and I'm not going to do the whole "Don't you think I agree" part, this isn't [[E-mail Birds]], but it is bird season.), and I fully support putting it there. It's a handy page and we've put a lot of work into cataloging every post made by strong bad on twitter, with fun facts to boot! So consider this my '''SUPPORT'''. ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 22:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	::I also '''SUPPORT'''. {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
		+	:::, So I '''SUPPORT''' this too, but I like having easy access to the Strong Bad Email page, considering I usually watch the sbemails by clicking on the external links. So, maybe we keep both? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
		+	::::Maybe we link to it as <code><nowiki>[[@StrongBadActual Tweets 2023|Twitter]]</nowiki></code> and put it above [[Strong Bad Email]] and underneath [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent changes]]? {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
		+	::::: GREAT IDEA! I like it! [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 18:00, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
-	How many views did the main page get after The Brothers Chaps asked people to donate to the HRWiki? --[[Special:Contributions/71.77.206.64|71.77.206.64]] 22:41, 15 May 2010 (UTC)	+	== Editing user pages ==
-	:Hard to say. I started keeping track of it for a while, but then I realized that the numbers are skewed by Web crawlers, and I don't know to what degree. The numbers at the bottoms of pages are so unreliable that some sites, like Wikipedia, don't even display them. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:28, 16 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	== ToonInfo template ==	+	Alright, so, I've been thinking. The block log has a lot of "user banned for editing userpages of other users". So, the main page, for example, has a system so only sysops can edit it. What if we add a system to all user pages that basically makes it impossible for anybody but the user to edit it? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
		+	:The thing is, I feel sysops / admins / wiki bots should probably still be able to edit user pages. For example, an admin fixing a bug on the page or a bot auto-replacing a link. But I agree that no one else should edit other user pages. Or somehow make a system where users can choose who can edit the page. {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}} 18:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
		+	::We already have [[HRWiki:User space#Ownership and editing of pages in the user space|explicit guidelines]] on who can and should edit user pages.  If a user page is edited for anything other than a legitimate reason, the edit typically gets quickly reverted. No harm done.  Anyone that might be banned in relation to user page edits is most likely doing it in a disruptive manner.  In any case, the block logs mostly include bans for spamming.  There really is no compelling reason to add user page security settings or tools for this.  --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
-	DorianGray suggested sorting the Filmographies by date rather than alphabetically. I took this idea and ran with it, creating a [[Template:ToonInfo|ToonInfo]] template... but hit a small stumbling block when I discovered that sorting Filmographies by date would have the side effect of every toon being listed under "2" where it's currently listed by letter. It's still possible (and not terribly hard) to sort by date, it would just unfortunately look odd on the Category pages. Nevertheless, the template works otherwise (the sort-by-date feature is not currently included.) It would help keep our format consistent and let us change the format more easily, but admittedly has the problem of having to physically add it to each and every toon on the site. Thoughts? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 10:55, 31 May 2010 (UTC)	+	== Wiki availability ==
-	:Yeah, I fear it would be too complicated to get one of the robits to automate the process... But hey, if we don't get any updates soon, at least we'll have something to occupy us for a while. =3 --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 11:08, 31 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::No. I think everything's fine the way it is. {{User:RickTommy/sig}} 11:54, 31 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::Eh, if we can make it work, I'd far prefer chronological filmographies to alphabetical ones. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 12:11, 31 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::Please no. Only if it can be done ''without adding a log into the page history'' should it be done. {{User:RickTommy/sig}} 12:15, 31 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::How many characters can be placed into the template? --[[Special:Contributions/209.148.176.136|209.148.176.136]] 12:13, 31 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::First of all, I've always thought the filmographies would be better if they were in chronological order, and I think this template is cool and ambitious, but I think it's a little too complicated for the problem it's supposed to solve. Perhaps we could figure out a way to get the chronological functionality without having to edit every toon article. Or if we really do want to add something to all the articles, perhaps an extension would be better instead of a straight template in order to keep things as simple as possible. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:10, 31 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::I've seen other Wikis with templates on nearly every page that are far more complicated than that one, for what it's worth. Most notably Bulbapedia, who ''thrives'' on complicated templates. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:50, 31 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::All right, but if we can find a simpler solution, shouldn't we? My original attempt at a [[User:It's dot com/stuffitem|STUFF template]] would have ''worked'', but it was way more complicated than it needed to be, which also meant it wasn't as flexible as it should be. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:05, 31 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::Do you (or does anyone else) have such a simpler solution? (I know that if you don't, that doesn't necessarily mean that my solution wins; I understand logic better than that. This is why I haven't put it on any pages yet and asked here first.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:20, 31 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::Oh, yes, and problems with that STUFF template include the fact that STUFF pages were for discussion, so the entries can be very long and get changed often, and the variables don't have names so it's not intuitive what goes where. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:24, 31 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::Okay... my point was that it was overly complicated, even though it could have been made to work. Its specific problems were fixed and aren't all that relevant here. As I hinted at above, a simpler solution would be to change the nature of the filmographies pages so that they're automatically in chronological order (maybe even sortable). Then we wouldn't have to edit any pages at all. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:16, 31 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::::That would be an elegant solution, but how would the filmography pages know the dates the toons came out? (Unless they were made into PAGES and not categories, which would admittedly solve the problem but would still require every page to be modified.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:21, 31 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::::We would use [[All Toons]] or something similar to create a custom sort list. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:00, 31 May 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::::::Well, in that case, it's beyond my understanding of Wikicode and probably beyond my access rights, so I defer to you. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:50, 1 June 2010 (UTC)	+
-	So is this functionality something we really want? I'm just making sure, because whichever avenue we'd end up using&mdash;template, extension, whatever&mdash;it will take significant effort to implement. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:50, 3 June 2010 (UTC)	+
-	== Personal image limit going unpoliced in forgotten users? ==	+	For about the past week, I haven't been able to access the HRWiki, and downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently confirmed (and still does) that hrwiki.org is down. However, I see that plenty of edits have been made to the wiki in that time, so obviously it wasn't entirely down. Basically, I've been presented with a white screen that occasionally loaded the hills in the background and sometimes the Homestar logo in the top-left corner, and if I moved the mouse around the screen, it would recognize where links and drop-down menus were, but it wouldn't show me any text for the links and all. Any idea what may have happened/be happening? {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 20:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
-	It started with just me being paranoid, but it turns out there are several users with more than two large images. If a user quits the wiki without responding to a talk page comment, or a user is never alerted (I found that several users were never told after checking their talk pages), what do we do about it? For one thing, it violates our regulations to have that many personals, but on the other hand we can't edit other people's user pages. Seeing how this situation is going on, how would we resolve it? Are we lax in cases like this and shrug it off, or is it just that nobody is as nit-picky about these things as I am and never checks? Yeah, I suppose this is a mild problem, but there are some big-name editors like this, some of which regularly contribute. Does it really matter? I can't make the call, so can I get professional opinion in here from someone who knows the rules better than me? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] [[User talk:Jellote|wuz]] [[Special:Contributions/Jellote|here]] 00:15, 18 June 2010 (UTC)	+	:Hey Knights. Usually, when a big update is released, wiki activity jumps exponentially and typically the wiki reaction times can slow down to a crawl.  Pages still load but they take forever and one must be patient.  Eventually that goes away as edits taper down. However, for a site like "downforeveryoneorjustme", their timeout is likely far shorter than regular browsers when reporting if a site is down.  In your particular case it seems that not all website elements are loading and some may be timing out and not loading at all. I'd typically expect that behavior during peak edit times.  Hope this helps a tiny bit! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 06:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
-	:The limits are in place to prevent people from abusing the privilege of a user page. If they're not active anymore, then it's probably not worth the effort to worry about it. If someone is still here, though, then I think it's only fair that they be in compliance with our policy. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:48, 18 June 2010 (UTC)	+	::At some point I did see pages seemingly load but remain blank unless I interacted with the tab in some way, though that could have been a browser issue, it never really prevented me from accessing the wiki, and I haven't been experiencing it for a while. I've also had some "unable to connect" errors because sometimes when loading the wiki, it attempts to load an https URL. Most of the time, though, especially after a new release, it's been just slowdowns. {{User:DEIDATVM/sig}} 21:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
-	== Sbemail in navigation? ==	+	=== Still Slow ===
		+	It seems that the wiki hasn't fully recovered from its slowdowns back in August.  In the last couple of months I've come across the Job Queue and [[MW:Manual:Job queue|this mediawiki page]] detailing what it is and how it's supposed to function.  I get the impression that currently, all jobs on the wiki are running when a page is being requested.  The page outlines a means by which the jobs can be run in the background (either via cron job or background process; I'd recommend the background process) and then the job run rate could be set to zero (so that pages aren't spending time running jobs while loading).  Is this something that is already in place or could this perhaps be implemented in order to improve overall performance even during busy periods? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 11:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
-	I don't think that Strong Bad Email should be in the navigation section on the side. All the other links have something to do with the wiki itself, but SB email is just a feature on homestarrunner.com. It should be removed. {{User:Wasd98/sig}} 00:12, 22 June 2010 (UTC)	+	==glitch on the main pages ==
-	:Strong Bad Email is a large and important part of the site. Probably about 55% of the pages on this wiki are related to Strong Bad Email. In fact, the site wouldn't be as popular if Strong Bad Email didn't exist. I think that's plenty of proof for it to stay. [[User:doctorwho295|doctorwho295]] 27 June 2010	+
-	::Related how? About one-thirteenth of the wiki's articles are the SBEmail ones, as well as a couple of articles that have SBEmails organised in lists like location, sender's name etc. That's waaaaay less than 55%, but still quite a lot. As for the site not being popular if SBEmail didn't exist, it's been over nine months since the last SBEmail, so... {{User:RickTommy/sig}} 03:23, 11 July 2010 (UTC)	+
-	== Reporting New Stuff On Website... On HRwiki... ==	+	Noticed a glitch on the main pages, done by holding the cursor on one of the buttons, and then moving away, and then moving your finger off the mouse. to see what this does and what I mean, refer to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgM-NA0Rja4 [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 21:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
		+	:There's a whole page about this. [[Main Page Glitches]] {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 21:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
-	Just wondering, since Homestarrunner.com posts "news updates" for when they have updates, would [http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100621/2320049908.shtml this] affect HRWiki? TBC already owns the rights to the news updates, so... {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 17:23, 23 June 2010 (UTC)	+	== Why does the website still have the Halloween theme? ==
-	:I'm not catching how that would directly affect us... &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:22, 23 June 2010 (UTC)	+	Halloween ended 18 days ago, and so did October in general, so why does the website still have the Hallow's Eve theme? --{{User:Cy4nIsN0tB1u3/sig}} 04:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
		+	:Because we're still waiting for the annual Fan Costumes toon to close out the season, even if we have to wait [[Decomposing Pumpkins|days after Thanksgiving]]. Also, because the sysops in charge of changing the wiki settings are busy people with lives and tend to wait a while to get around to it. -- [[Special:Contributions/68.37.43.131|68.37.43.131]] 23:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
-	== iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad app? ==	+	==New Fan Stumes’!==
-	Would anybody on the wiki be able to create an iOS app for the wiki? I'm sure it would be very possible. --[[Special:Contributions/68.78.135.218|68.78.135.218]] 20:40, 28 June 2010 (UTC)	+	The 2023 Fan Stumes has been released! And not only that, but my costume from last year is the very first Strong Bad costume! That counts as a fun fact, right? We should probably note that like how we note when a wikian sent a email. [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 17:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
-	:I'm just wondering, since I don't have an iProduct, what's the difference between an iOS of HRWiki, and browsing the site online with the device? Could be a nice way to deliver updates (like [http://twitter.com/hrwiki Twitter])? {{User:Elcool/sig}} 04:36, 29 June 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::While the wiki was unusable on my old Nokia E71, it looks and works just fine on my iPhone 3GS. I don't know what an HRWiki app would look like, but I doubt it would add value. Also, there is no free way of developing an iPhone app if you don't want to jailbreak.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 07:00, 29 June 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::Actually, I do have the SDK, so I can see what I can do. --[[Special:Contributions/68.78.134.21|68.78.134.21]] 21:10, 11 July 2010 (UTC)	+
-	== Special Talk ==	+	== Permafrosted logo? ==
-	Why don't special pages have talk pages? e.g. There's no [[Special Talk:Upload]]. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}}	+	The Decemberween themed logo is still up, but December ended 11 days ago. The weirdest part in my opinion is that there's no d'ween themed colors despide icicles and Homestar's hat. Is there something we're waiting for, like a new not-Decemberween toon?
-	:Talk pages are for discussing the improvement of the articles. Special pages are not articles to inform readers; Special pages serve a different purpose, and don't need to be editted or discssed about. {{User:StrongAwesome74/sig}} 17:58, 9 July 2010 (UTC)	+	Yours truly,
-	::oh. got it. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}}	+	The guy who confused Dobbs for Daubs. {{unsigned|206.110.189.60|11 January 2024 16:34 (UTC)}}
-	:::that isn't always true. one time i needed to ask a question on [[Special:Sbemailcheck]]'s talk page, but since it didn't exist, i had to come here to ask the question. it was ignored and archived without being answered. It's right here: [[HRWiki:Main Page Talk Archive 34#Strong Bad Email Check]] and I still feel like the question needs to be answered. {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 19:13, 9 July 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::Custom special pages that need discussion often have project or help pages associated with them. For example, [[Special:Ledger]]'s talk page is at [[HRWiki talk:Ledger]]. [[Special:Sbemailcheck]] links to an instruction page, [[Help:Sbemailcheck]], and a corresponding talk page, [[Help talk:Sbemailcheck]] (which is where your question should be). &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:37, 9 July 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::And if you cannot find a spot to post your "talk" then you should add it to [[HRWiki talk:Projects|this page]], which is where "general" project discussion goes. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 18:11, 12 July 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::[[HRWiki talk:Projects]] is not the first place I'd go if I had the kind of problem Knights described above. (As a talk page for a project page where most discussion occurs on the project page itself, it doesn't even have much of a function at all.) [[HRWiki talk:FAQ]] is probably better suited for technical questions (if there's not a more specific page available). &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:33, 12 July 2010 (UTC)	+
-	== Protection ==	+	:I'm not an admin, but I'm assuming the style is simply for the winter season. Even though the Christmas lights have been taken down, it's still a chilly and snowy time of year for {{w|March equinox|at least another month and a half}}. (P.S. Even if you don't have an account, please sign your posts with four tildes: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 17:34, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
-	[[Peasant's Quest]], [[Thy Dungeonman 3]], and their commands and walkthrough pages are prone to vandalism from anonymous IPs. Could they please be semi-protected? {{User:RickTommy/sig}} 03:35, 14 July 2010 (UTC)	+	== Load times and potential solutions ==
-	:That looks like low key vandalism. Protecting those pages would be an overreaction and would do more harm than good.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 06:08, 14 July 2010 (UTC)	+
-	== Stores having a new sale. ==	+	The wiki's been crawling along like something funny that crawls along for about a year now. This hasn't been much more than a minor inconvenience on my end, but it comes up pretty frequently on [https://www.reddit.com/r/HomestarRunner/ the Homestar subreddit], with a concerning number saying they haven't been able to access it at all. [https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/hrwiki.org downforeveryoneorjustme.com] consistently insists that the system is down. I don't know what the hosting situation is like, nor am I anything close to an expert on such things, so unfortunately I can't diagnose the issue... But, [[DNA Evidence|after <s>extensive</s> investigation]], I'm ready to release my findings.
		+	*[[Talk:Main Page#Still Slow]] {{--}} A few months ago, [[User:Stux|Stux]] proposed a solution involving MediaWiki's [[mw:Manual:Job queue|job queue]]. Seems like something worth looking into.
		+	*[https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/host-a-website-with-high-availability/ Host a Website with High Availability] {{--}} The wiki's web host Linode features a guide on how to host a website with high availability. I can understand at most seven words of this, and I'm not sure how well it applies to wikis, but it might be helpful to someone. (They also have guides for [https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/security/ssl/ enabling HTTPS], which improves security... Maybe performance too, but I've heard mixed things about that.)
		+	*[[Special:Version]] {{--}} The wiki is currently powered by MediaWiki 1.15, which released in 2011. Later versions have added collapsible elements, citation features, slideshow galleries, an optional visual editor interface, the ability to rename categories, and most relevant to this particular discussion, [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader improved performance]. The current stable release is 1.41.
		+	*[[HRWiki:Donations]] {{--}} I just discovered that [[HRWiki:2011 Server Move|the wiki moved servers in 2011]] to cut back on expenses, which [[HRWiki talk:2011 Server Move#Slowness|apparently resulted in slower load times]] (at least initially, while settings were still being optimized). According to [[Special:Ledger]], there haven't been any donations since then (additionally, it still lists FellowSites hosting dues instead of the new host). I've seen multiple people offering to donate if they could, so if the more recent slowness is once again a financial issue, it might help to [https://www.paypal.com/us/cshelp/article/ts2067 get the donation links working again].
		+	*{{p|l=http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsers&group=developer Special:ListUsers&group=developer}} {{--}} I have no way of knowing how actively people have been working on maintaining backend stuff, but I can see that of the six developers, only [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] and [[User:Tom|Tom]] have been editing consistently since 2016. I realize I'm asking quite a lot of two people at most, and I really don't want to be too demanding... so I can't help but wonder if my suggestions might seem more reasonable if there were more people responsible for backend maintenance. I'm not qualified for that sort of thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were active users with MediaWiki and/or web development experience. As much as I want this wiki to be accessible to more people, I really don't want anyone losing sleep over it.
		+	Anyway, sorry I can't offer more help than this, but I hope someone finds this stuff useful (and that I didn't get anything terribly wrong)! {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 01:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
		+	:Out of curiosity, I decided to use [[Special:Statistics]] and the WayBack Machine to calculate roughly how many people have been affected by the slow load times. After comparing the last seven months (from around the start of the slowdowns to now) to the seven months prior, I found that the average number of edits per day has decreased from 22 to 14, and the average number of active users has dropped from 27 to 17. That's a 37% decrease in ''both'' areas, leading me to believe they are linked by a common cause...
		+	:Unfortunately I couldn't figure out if that percentage corresponded to anything specific, like "37% of people use this certain type of Internet connection"... That information would tell me which people are having problems accessing the wiki, and from there I might be able to research a potential solution, assuming any of that works the way I think it does. Maybe I'll do an off-site poll somewhere, but I'd need to know what information would be most pertinent to ask... Would that be helpful at all? {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 05:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
-	It's on patches. I updated the store page, and the Store Front Page News. We just need to update the main page now.	+	Wait a minute, it seems fine now. What happened? {{unsigned|71.195.40.33|08:25, November 15, 2024 (UTC)}}
-	== Where are they? ==	+	== Availability of the wiki over https ==
-	They have been gone for a vveeeeerrrryyy long time, any idea where they are? ([[Special:Contributions/94.7.81.213|94.7.81.213]] 19:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC))	+
-	:There's an inordinate amount of discussion on this topic at the [[Forum:|forum]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 19:52, 15 July 2010 (UTC)	+
-	== Steam Sale ==	+	Are there any plans to upgrade the wiki from http to https?
-		+	--{{User:UN_TACO/sig}} 00:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
-	Sorry, I'm not quite sure where also to mention this, but Steam is currently have a massive sale on the SBCGFAP games.	+
-		+
-	[http://store.steampowered.com/app/8340/]	+
-	:It's 10 USD for the disc at Best Buy by the way, and it's NOT a sale price. Steam just wants to beat best buy, seeing as their normal price on steam for the season is 30 USD. Who'd pay for a digital download when you could just ghost the disk as an imahge on your hard drive for free and payonly 10 USD. Yes, now would be the time to buy it on Steam, but I don't care for steam. Opinions aside, Forum is that way <--------- {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 21:57, 25 July 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::Sale is over now. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 19:59, 26 July 2010 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== What the pfargtl? ==	+
-		+
-	I am unable to edit [[HRW:Featured Article Selection|FAS]], but I can edit other articles just fine. What is going on? {{User:RickTommy/sig}} 00:57, 20 August 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:{{p|l={{FULLURL:HRWiki:Featured Article Selection|diff=707663&oldid=707556}} Works for me.}} &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:58, 20 August 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:: I think you were told not to use that page, so that may explain it.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] [[User talk:Jellote|wuz]] [[Special:Contributions/Jellote|here]] 00:07, 29 August 2010 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== New... Game soon? ==	+
-		+
-	[[Telltale Games]] has just released a new teaser trailer for an upcoming game to be announced on 02 Sept:	+
-		+
-	http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-debut-untitled-telltale/703720?type=flv	+
-		+
-	A silhouette of [[Strong Bad]] can be clearly seen.  Stay tuned for info... {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 06:04, 28 August 2010 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	:Huh. That explains a lot. I guess we only have to wait four days for more info, if not the full game. At the end it said 9-2-2010, so... Thursday. We should finally see what's been going on Thurday. For now, the question remains: who are the other three he was posing with? One was definitely Max the rabbit, and another might have been Sam, from the same game. That leaves... The Heavy Weapons Guy from Team Fortress? Who knows? Anyway, let's check back next Thursday and see what all the commotion is up to.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] [[User talk:Jellote|wuz]] [[Special:Contributions/Jellote|here]] 00:06, 29 August 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::According to Kotaku, from left to right it's one of the guys from [http://www.penny-arcade.com/ Penny Arcade], Max from Sam & Max, Heavy from Team Fortress 2, and, of course, [[Strong Bad]]. Based on the silhouette, there's been rumors that it's just a sequel to Telltale's poker game. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 00:11, 29 August 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::'''Edit Conflict!''' Not to turn this into a forumy-style post, but the [http://www.telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18930 TellTale forum] people have mainly decided that the four are Thycho from Penny Arcade, Max from Sam&Max, Heavy from Team Fortress Two, <!--Team Fortress Twooooooooooooo! --> and Strong Bad from, well, duh. Since two of them are holding cards, it's speculated that it's a TellTale Texas Hold'em sequel. {{User:StrongAwesome74/sig}} 00:15, 29 August 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::Hey, maybe after the game comes out this long period of inactivity will finally end! One can only hope.... [[Special:Contributions/71.29.168.29|71.29.168.29]] 21:42, 14 September 2010 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== Telltale Crossover Game ==	+
-		+
-	http://www.trueachievements.com/n1807/telltale-teases-crossover-game.htm	+
-		+
-	I'm pretty sure this should be on the "What's New" list on the main page. It might even merit a whole article.	+
-	[[User:Philip8o|Philip8o]] 17:48, 30 August 2010 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	Oops. I didn't realize this was already in the discussions. Sorry. [[User:Philip8o|Philip8o]] 17:50, 30 August 2010 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== A proposal page ==	+
-	I have a proposal, we should have a proposal page like the one on [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)|Wikipedia]]	+
-	(Has some that can apply to HRWiki too). There can be proposals as well as other thing about the HRWiki or Homestarrunner.com in general. [[User:Perducci|Perducci]] 01:28, 3 September 2010 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== Different Languages ==	+
-	I think we should have different languages on the HRWiki now, like Wikipedia. I know Homestarrunner.com is in English, “so people who watch probably know English”. But there are people who use the multilingual subtitles, who know English but not well or knows someone who speaks English, ECT.  [[User:Perducci|Perducci]] 01:28, 3 September 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:The problem with that is that we would have to have a native speaker of the language go over EVERY page and translate it. That would be an absolutely massive project. --{{User:DENNIS/sig}} 01:32, 3 September 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:: True, but what better time than now? It being a hiatus and all. And we could use online translator* to start a page and the many fluent users (I have seen a few) could just tweak and edit.	+
-		+
-	::&#42;(I know, not the best, but it's a start and makes it easier for those fluent in that language. That’s how wikis work, people start, others add. And I recall translating a couple wiki pages, and it was a pretty good translation. And I think it works well because of the correct spelling, grammar and structure of sentences and so on, on the wikis.) [[User:Perducci|Perducci]] 01:47, 3 September 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::Online translators are not "pretty good".  They're enough to get the gist when you put in correct English, but when you factor in unusual names of characters and complex concepts and non-words that would be difficult for anyone to translate, it would just be awful.  Give it a try with a few pages from [[:Category:Word running gags]].  {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 16:09, 5 September 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::<blockquote>Instead of to use " simply; might" or " could" , the characters of the universe of the runner of Homestar, particularly running same of Homestar, tend to say sometimes could could instead of another one. Such uses of " non-standard" modals double is common in the vernacular one of the southern United States, including Georgia, where the cracks live on the brothers.</blockquote>	+
-	::::That was [[Might Could]] translated to and from Spanish. We are ''so'' not making other Homestar Wikis. {{User:Power Pie/sig}} 21:36, 5 September 2010 (UTC) (Unless we know like a gazillion people who are <s>running same of Homestar</s> fluent in other common languages.)	+
-	:::::While online translators are ''far'' from perfect, I think that if we find someone fluent in spanish and passionate enough to take on such a project, it could be done. But that's a ''big'' if. {{User:DENNIS/sig}} 22:13, 5 September 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::There's this one guy I know online who's mother tongue is Spanish,but I already asked him for [[Subtitles:sbemail119/es|a large-scale translation]] once, so I think I'd be kinda rude to ask him to do more. {{User:Power Pie/sig}} 22:51, 5 September 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::We have a few editors on the wiki that are fluent in spanish. Maybe if we put up a notice about the want for spanish translations, we would get a response. {{User:DENNIS/sig}} 23:10, 5 September 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::[[dangeresque 3|Sounds like a plan.]] {{User:Power Pie/sig}} 00:47, 6 September 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::The reason Wikipedia works in other languages is because they have the demand, infrastructure, and userbase to justify it. Unless and until a very large group of people step forward and say, "Gosh, I would totally contribute to a Homestar Runner Wiki if only there were one were available in my native language; I can't contribute to this one because I don't speak any English except for the preceding sentence and this one explaining it," I can't imagine allocating resources for such a project. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:33, 6 September 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::::I agree with Dot com on this one. The people who use this wiki are pretty much all English speakers, so not only would translating all this crap be a colossal waste of time, no one would even use it. And what's the point of having the articles translated in BabelFish or Google Translator if they can just copy/paste it themselves? I vote '''no''' on this one. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 17:15, 6 September 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::::::Eh, me too. {{User:Power Pie/sig}} 01:18, 7 September 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::::::If homestarrunner.com does not come in multiple languages then neither should the homestar runner wiki. [[Special:Contributions/71.29.168.29|71.29.168.29]] 21:38, 14 September 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::::::::Ummm, it sort of does come in other languages, by way of [[HRWiki:Subtitles|subtitles]]. {{User:RickTommy/sig}} 08:05, 8 October 2010 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	==did it die==	+
-	lets face it, there has been no updates in months. whats going on over there. did they just stop or are they working that hard on poker night at the inventory? please whats going on with our dear website that we worship?	+
-	:TBC have been working on a few projects (baby, Poker Night at the Inventory, Jim Henson movie), so I would just be patient. They've hinted numerous times that they're not done yet. Also, this kind of thing should be posted in the [http://forum.hrwiki.org forum]. {{User:DENNIS/sig}} 01:46, 7 September 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::Jim Henson movie? Whats that? {{User:Wasd98/sig}} 02:40, 10 September 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::Yessir. [http://www.movieweb.com/news/NEMOaRPMDPdJQV Here's the link]. {{User:DENNIS/sig}} 03:17, 10 September 2010 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== Do we have a "Experience the Fury of..." page? ==	+
-		+
-	It's a "phrase running gag" I believe, since it's been in more than one toon. [[Special:Contributions/71.87.114.122|71.87.114.122]] 17:08, 7 October 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:Our policies say it has to be in at least three toons to merit a page. Honestly, that's one i've looked for too. Right now it is in two: [[theme park]] (thrice) and [[boring (really)]] (which i think was a direct reference back to theme park). The way I understand it, it would need to be in a third toon before we could create a page on it. {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 17:56, 7 October 2010 (UTC)	+
-	::See also: [[Talk:Experience the fury of]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:01, 7 October 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:::Yes, we used to have a page of it. {{User:RickTommy/sig}} 08:05, 8 October 2010 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== jayisgames mention ==	+
-		+
-	The website jayisgames.com has posted Peasants Quest on their front page as one of their "gems from the vault." I wasn't sure if this was frontpage worthy or not.	+
-	--[[User:Shaggy|Shaggy]] | [[User talk:Shaggy|talk]] 07:25, 12 October 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:It wouldn't go on the main page, but a section in [[Website Sightings]] would be a good place. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 07:26, 12 October 2010 (UTC)	+
-	--Gotcha. I also noticed that on the games review page someone links to the walkthrough on hrwiki.--[[User:Shaggy|Shaggy]] | [[User talk:Shaggy|talk]] 07:29, 12 October 2010 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== Redirect for <Article Name>s? ==	+
-		+
-	Just wondering, how do we do a no-pipe redirect again? for articles that we need to redirect from <ArticleName>s to just <ArticleName>. (Without using Move feature) {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 15:23, 14 October 2010 (UTC)	+
-	:Do you mean like this?	+
-	:<pre><nowiki>#REDIRECT [[</nowiki>''name of the target page''<nowiki>]]</nowiki></pre>	+
-	:{{User:DENNIS/sig}} 17:54, 14 October 2010 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== In the "browse the knowledge base" thingy... ==	+
-		+
-	Should we have a link to [[The Brothers Chaps]] somewhere in the "browse the knowledge base" section on the Main Page? (most likely "miscellany") {{User: Power Pie/sig}}	+

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Contents 1 sbemail templates 2 Trogday decor 3 How many references do you need? 4 Songs archive 5 dot dot dot 6 Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual? 7 Editing user pages 8 Wiki availability 8.1 Still Slow 9 glitch on the main pages 10 Why does the website still have the Halloween theme? 11 New Fan Stumes’! 12 Permafrosted logo? 13 Load times and potential solutions 14 Availability of the wiki over https

[edit] sbemail templates

See Talk:Strong Bad Email → sbemail templates

[edit] Trogday decor

Does the Featured content of the day (or whenever) template automatically switch to different links on certain days? Such as linking to dragon, Trogday '08 and other things when the time comes? Or is that done manually? Because tomorrow is Trogday. - HoveringSombrero (talk)

It's not automatic, but as you can see (at the time of this writing), the decorations were indeed put up to coincide with Trogday. — It's dot com 01:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

[edit] How many references do you need?

How many references to a thing need to be on a page for the thing the page is about to become a real page? Just curious because my mock-up seinfeld page includes eight references to the titular show. The page on The Big Lebowski has the same amount of references... so do I just make a Seinfeld page now? ----J∃ffJMan 20:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

done and done ----J∃ffJMan 20:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

See our inclusion guidelines. — It's dot com 21:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Songs archive

Would it be OK if I created a subpage to my user page with a complete archive of every existing song in the Homestar universe? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:28, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure we have that covered. — It's dot com 23:18, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Well, I was gonna add MP3 files with them, so people could download them and stuff. Is that still OK? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 00:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

No, that's not what the user space is for. — It's dot com 00:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

[edit] dot dot dot

Why come whenever I try to link to lady…ing and Cheat Commandos…O's, the link is broken? Is it because of those ellipses? — HoveringSombrero (talk)

Sort of! "…" is different from "...", it's a single character rather than three periods. Try highlighting it and you can see. This is kind of like the difference between “curly quotes” and "straight quotes" - in both cases, the former is typically made via autocorrect in word processors or mobile keyboards, while the latter is preferred by the wiki. So while lady…ing and lady...ing may look the same, they are actually two different typed entries. -- Bleu Ninja 22:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

I've added redirects to fix the issue. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 23:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! — HoveringSombrero (talk)

[edit] Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual?

Strong Bad Email has been in the sidebar for as long as I can remember, presumably because it was the most popular and most actively updated portion of the website. With the Twitter account handily outpacing both sbemails and "H*R.com updates" (not to mention the CGI Paper directing viewers to tweet rather than email), might it be worth adding it over there? I know I regularly find myself navigating to the @StrongBadActual page(s) to fill out "Fast Forward" sections of pages or to find dates when an item or project was mentioned. -- Bleu Ninja 20:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree (and I'm not going to do the whole "Don't you think I agree" part, this isn't E-mail Birds, but it is bird season.), and I fully support putting it there. It's a handy page and we've put a lot of work into cataloging every post made by strong bad on twitter, with fun facts to boot! So consider this my SUPPORT. ----J∃ffJMan 22:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I also SUPPORT. — HoveringSombrero (talk)

, So I SUPPORT this too, but I like having easy access to the Strong Bad Email page, considering I usually watch the sbemails by clicking on the external links. So, maybe we keep both? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Maybe we link to it as [[@StrongBadActual Tweets 2023|Twitter]] and put it above Strong Bad Email and underneath Recent changes? — HoveringSombrero (talk)

GREAT IDEA! I like it! I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 18:00, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Editing user pages

Alright, so, I've been thinking. The block log has a lot of "user banned for editing userpages of other users". So, the main page, for example, has a system so only sysops can edit it. What if we add a system to all user pages that basically makes it impossible for anybody but the user to edit it? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

The thing is, I feel sysops / admins / wiki bots should probably still be able to edit user pages. For example, an admin fixing a bug on the page or a bot auto-replacing a link. But I agree that no one else should edit other user pages. Or somehow make a system where users can choose who can edit the page. — HoveringSombrero (talk) 18:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

We already have explicit guidelines on who can and should edit user pages. If a user page is edited for anything other than a legitimate reason, the edit typically gets quickly reverted. No harm done. Anyone that might be banned in relation to user page edits is most likely doing it in a disruptive manner. In any case, the block logs mostly include bans for spamming. There really is no compelling reason to add user page security settings or tools for this. --Stux 21:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki availability

For about the past week, I haven't been able to access the HRWiki, and downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently confirmed (and still does) that hrwiki.org is down. However, I see that plenty of edits have been made to the wiki in that time, so obviously it wasn't entirely down. Basically, I've been presented with a white screen that occasionally loaded the hills in the background and sometimes the Homestar logo in the top-left corner, and if I moved the mouse around the screen, it would recognize where links and drop-down menus were, but it wouldn't show me any text for the links and all. Any idea what may have happened/be happening? The Knights Who Say Ni 20:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Hey Knights. Usually, when a big update is released, wiki activity jumps exponentially and typically the wiki reaction times can slow down to a crawl. Pages still load but they take forever and one must be patient. Eventually that goes away as edits taper down. However, for a site like "downforeveryoneorjustme", their timeout is likely far shorter than regular browsers when reporting if a site is down. In your particular case it seems that not all website elements are loading and some may be timing out and not loading at all. I'd typically expect that behavior during peak edit times. Hope this helps a tiny bit! --Stux 06:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

At some point I did see pages seemingly load but remain blank unless I interacted with the tab in some way, though that could have been a browser issue, it never really prevented me from accessing the wiki, and I haven't been experiencing it for a while. I've also had some "unable to connect" errors because sometimes when loading the wiki, it attempts to load an https URL. Most of the time, though, especially after a new release, it's been just slowdowns. DEI DAT VM^┌_{datvm center}\^{super contra}_┘ 21:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Still Slow

It seems that the wiki hasn't fully recovered from its slowdowns back in August. In the last couple of months I've come across the Job Queue and this mediawiki page detailing what it is and how it's supposed to function. I get the impression that currently, all jobs on the wiki are running when a page is being requested. The page outlines a means by which the jobs can be run in the background (either via cron job or background process; I'd recommend the background process) and then the job run rate could be set to zero (so that pages aren't spending time running jobs while loading). Is this something that is already in place or could this perhaps be implemented in order to improve overall performance even during busy periods? --Stux 11:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

[edit] glitch on the main pages

Noticed a glitch on the main pages, done by holding the cursor on one of the buttons, and then moving away, and then moving your finger off the mouse. to see what this does and what I mean, refer to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgM-NA0Rja4 I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 21:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

There's a whole page about this. Main Page Glitches Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 21:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Why does the website still have the Halloween theme?

Halloween ended 18 days ago, and so did October in general, so why does the website still have the Hallow's Eve theme? --Cy4nIsN0tB1u3 04:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Because we're still waiting for the annual Fan Costumes toon to close out the season, even if we have to wait days after Thanksgiving. Also, because the sysops in charge of changing the wiki settings are busy people with lives and tend to wait a while to get around to it. -- 68.37.43.131 23:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

[edit] New Fan Stumes’!

The 2023 Fan Stumes has been released! And not only that, but my costume from last year is the very first Strong Bad costume! That counts as a fun fact, right? We should probably note that like how we note when a wikian sent a email. I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 17:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Permafrosted logo?

The Decemberween themed logo is still up, but December ended 11 days ago. The weirdest part in my opinion is that there's no d'ween themed colors despide icicles and Homestar's hat. Is there something we're waiting for, like a new not-Decemberween toon? Yours truly, The guy who confused Dobbs for Daubs. — 206.110.189.60 (Talk | contribs) 11 January 2024 16:34 (UTC) (left unsigned)

I'm not an admin, but I'm assuming the style is simply for the winter season. Even though the Christmas lights have been taken down, it's still a chilly and snowy time of year for at least another month and a half. (P.S. Even if you don't have an account, please sign your posts with four tildes: ~~~~) -- Bleu Ninja 17:34, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

[edit] Load times and potential solutions

The wiki's been crawling along like something funny that crawls along for about a year now. This hasn't been much more than a minor inconvenience on my end, but it comes up pretty frequently on the Homestar subreddit, with a concerning number saying they haven't been able to access it at all. downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently insists that the system is down. I don't know what the hosting situation is like, nor am I anything close to an expert on such things, so unfortunately I can't diagnose the issue... But, after extensive investigation, I'm ready to release my findings.

• Talk:Main Page#Still Slow — A few months ago, Stux proposed a solution involving MediaWiki's job queue. Seems like something worth looking into.
• Host a Website with High Availability — The wiki's web host Linode features a guide on how to host a website with high availability. I can understand at most seven words of this, and I'm not sure how well it applies to wikis, but it might be helpful to someone. (They also have guides for enabling HTTPS, which improves security... Maybe performance too, but I've heard mixed things about that.)
• Special:Version — The wiki is currently powered by MediaWiki 1.15, which released in 2011. Later versions have added collapsible elements, citation features, slideshow galleries, an optional visual editor interface, the ability to rename categories, and most relevant to this particular discussion, improved performance. The current stable release is 1.41.
• HRWiki:Donations — I just discovered that the wiki moved servers in 2011 to cut back on expenses, which apparently resulted in slower load times (at least initially, while settings were still being optimized). According to Special:Ledger, there haven't been any donations since then (additionally, it still lists FellowSites hosting dues instead of the new host). I've seen multiple people offering to donate if they could, so if the more recent slowness is once again a financial issue, it might help to get the donation links working again.
• Special:ListUsers&group=developer — I have no way of knowing how actively people have been working on maintaining backend stuff, but I can see that of the six developers, only It's dot com and Tom have been editing consistently since 2016. I realize I'm asking quite a lot of two people at most, and I really don't want to be too demanding... so I can't help but wonder if my suggestions might seem more reasonable if there were more people responsible for backend maintenance. I'm not qualified for that sort of thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were active users with MediaWiki and/or web development experience. As much as I want this wiki to be accessible to more people, I really don't want anyone losing sleep over it.

Anyway, sorry I can't offer more help than this, but I hope someone finds this stuff useful (and that I didn't get anything terribly wrong)! Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 01:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, I decided to use Special:Statistics and the WayBack Machine to calculate roughly how many people have been affected by the slow load times. After comparing the last seven months (from around the start of the slowdowns to now) to the seven months prior, I found that the average number of edits per day has decreased from 22 to 14, and the average number of active users has dropped from 27 to 17. That's a 37% decrease in both areas, leading me to believe they are linked by a common cause...

Unfortunately I couldn't figure out if that percentage corresponded to anything specific, like "37% of people use this certain type of Internet connection"... That information would tell me which people are having problems accessing the wiki, and from there I might be able to research a potential solution, assuming any of that works the way I think it does. Maybe I'll do an off-site poll somewhere, but I'd need to know what information would be most pertinent to ask... Would that be helpful at all? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 05:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Wait a minute, it seems fine now. What happened? — 71.195.40.33 (Talk | contribs) 08:25, November 15, 2024 (UTC) (left unsigned)

[edit] Availability of the wiki over https

Are there any plans to upgrade the wiki from http to https? --UN TACO 00:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)