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-	:''In order to shorten the size of this page, all conversations before the 30th of December have been archived. You can access the archive [[HRWiki:Main Page Talk Archive|here]].''	+	{{Main Page Talk}}
-	== What the crap? ==	+	''It has been [[HRWiki talk:Main page redesign|suggested]] that the Main Page be redesigned. Feel free to use [[HRWiki:Main page redesign|its project page]] for proposed redesigns.''
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-	Why am I not on the list of registered users? --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]	+
-	:You're number 439.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:42, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)	+	== sbemail templates ==
		+	:''See [[Talk:Strong Bad Email#sbemail templates|Talk:Strong Bad Email &rarr; sbemail templates]]''
-	== 2004/2005 Tsunami Donation Link ==	+	== Trogday decor ==
-	I was just reading up on the [[Wikipedia:2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake|Indian Ocean Earthquake]] and realized how incredibly horrible this event was, and I'm seriously thinking we need some kind of banner to a donation link to the Wikipedia donation page. Or something like that. &rarr;[[User:FireBird|''<small><tt>[[User:FireBird|<font color=green>FireBird</font>]]</tt></small>'']]	+	Does the '''Featured content of the day (or whenever)''' template automatically switch to different links on certain days? Such as linking to [[dragon]], [[Trogday '08]] and other things when the time comes? Or is that done manually? Because tomorrow is Trogday. - [[User:HoveringSombrero|HoveringSombrero]] ([[User talk:HoveringSombrero|talk]]) [[File:Shoulder shoomps.png|23px]]
		+	:It's not automatic, but as you can see (at the time of this writing), the decorations were indeed put up to coincide with Trogday. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
-	How very specific your request is.	+	== How many references do you need? ==
-	-[[User:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf|Fhq]]	+
-	Fhq, what's your point? It's a good idea, don't give him crap because he's thinking larger than himself.	+	How many references to a thing need to be on a page for the thing the page is about to become a real page? Just curious because my mock-up seinfeld page includes eight references to the titular show. The page on [[The Big Lebowski]] has the same amount of references... so do I just make a [[Seinfeld]] page now? ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 20:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
-	Bird, perhaps you should send Joey a PM on the forum. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]	+	:done and done ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 20:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	::See our [[HRWiki:Inclusion guidelines|inclusion guidelines]]. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
-	:Just in case anyone was wondering, we won't be adding a notice to the Main Page.  If you'd like to put a notice on your userpage, that would be acceptable.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:14, 7 Jan 2005 (MST)	+	== Songs archive ==
-	== Dubious reference solution ==	+	Would it be OK if I created a subpage to my user page with a complete archive of every existing song in the Homestar universe? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:28, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	:I'm pretty sure we [[Songs|have that covered]]. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:18, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	::Well, I was gonna add MP3 files with them, so people could download them and stuff. Is that still OK? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 00:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	:::No, that's not what the user space is for. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
-	Over the past few Strongbad e-mail articles, I've read a lot of (to be frank) farfetched suggestions of references that TBCs are presumably making to other stuff. Maybe, if you're 100% sure that something is intended as a reference (for example, a character name or line very specific to one TV show), then it's  fine to say it's a reference. But if something just seems to remind you of something else (for example, a song that sounds kinda-sorta like a song that was played in the 23rd episode of some TV series), then it's more accurate to say that it is '''reminiscent''' of something, rather than a reference to something.	+	== dot dot dot ==
-	Just a suggestion.	+	Why come whenever I try to link to [[lady…ing]] and [[Cheat Commandos…O's]], the link is broken? Is it because of those ellipses? {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
		+	:Sort of! "…" is different from "...", it's a single character rather than three periods. Try highlighting it and you can see. This is kind of like the difference between “curly quotes” and "straight quotes" - in both cases, the former is typically made via autocorrect in word processors or mobile keyboards, while the latter is preferred by the wiki. So while [[lady…ing]] and [[lady...ing]] may ''look'' the same, they are actually two different typed entries. --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 22:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	::I've added redirects to fix the issue. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 23:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	:::Thanks! {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
-	:A wonderful suggestion, and it goes along with the ongoing discussion we are having regarding the overhaul of our current fun fact system.  Thank you for your concern and idea.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:52, 13 Jan 2005 (MST)	+	== Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual? ==
-	== Locking down the main page ==	+	[[Strong Bad Email]] has been in the sidebar for as long as I can remember, presumably because it was the most popular and most actively updated portion of the website. With the Twitter account handily outpacing both sbemails and "H*R.com updates" (not to mention the [[CGI Paper]] directing viewers to tweet rather than email), might it be worth adding it over there? I know I regularly find myself navigating to the [[@StrongBadActual]] page(s) to fill out "Fast Forward" sections of pages or to find dates when an item or project was mentioned. --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 20:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	:I agree (and I'm not going to do the whole "Don't you think I agree" part, this isn't [[E-mail Birds]], but it is bird season.), and I fully support putting it there. It's a handy page and we've put a lot of work into cataloging every post made by strong bad on twitter, with fun facts to boot! So consider this my '''SUPPORT'''. ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 22:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	::I also '''SUPPORT'''. {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
		+	:::, So I '''SUPPORT''' this too, but I like having easy access to the Strong Bad Email page, considering I usually watch the sbemails by clicking on the external links. So, maybe we keep both? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
		+	::::Maybe we link to it as <code><nowiki>[[@StrongBadActual Tweets 2023|Twitter]]</nowiki></code> and put it above [[Strong Bad Email]] and underneath [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent changes]]? {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
		+	::::: GREAT IDEA! I like it! [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 18:00, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
-	I visited today and noticed that the main page had been defaced.  Someone else restored the last known good version, but it seems to me that the front page should not be editable by just anyone for this exact reason.  Even the main page of Wikipedia is off-limits to anyone except staff...	+	== Editing user pages ==
-	:Yes, I want the main page protected as well... [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]-<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|<font color=teal>woddfellow2</font>]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|<font color=teal>?</font></tt>]] 14:05, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)	+
-	-It happened again. This must be done NOW.	+
-	:Look, the template does nothing to prevent trolling; it's a redundancy. Locking down the Main Page is a good way to go, since nothing really changes there, anyway.  -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 14:26, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)	+	Alright, so, I've been thinking. The block log has a lot of "user banned for editing userpages of other users". So, the main page, for example, has a system so only sysops can edit it. What if we add a system to all user pages that basically makes it impossible for anybody but the user to edit it? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
		+	:The thing is, I feel sysops / admins / wiki bots should probably still be able to edit user pages. For example, an admin fixing a bug on the page or a bot auto-replacing a link. But I agree that no one else should edit other user pages. Or somehow make a system where users can choose who can edit the page. {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}} 18:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
		+	::We already have [[HRWiki:User space#Ownership and editing of pages in the user space|explicit guidelines]] on who can and should edit user pages.  If a user page is edited for anything other than a legitimate reason, the edit typically gets quickly reverted. No harm done.  Anyone that might be banned in relation to user page edits is most likely doing it in a disruptive manner.  In any case, the block logs mostly include bans for spamming.  There really is no compelling reason to add user page security settings or tools for this.  --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
-	I find it funny how the MediaWiki's been around for at least 5 months now and only NOW are people starting to complain about wanting the Main Page locked down. Personally, I think it's prime idiot bait, as in "if you deface the main page, you're automatically not fit to be on the wiki." --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 15:02, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)	+	== Wiki availability ==
-	You could have a way to detect whether someone is severely defaceing the page or not. --[[User:67.161.224.65|67.161.224.65]]	+	For about the past week, I haven't been able to access the HRWiki, and downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently confirmed (and still does) that hrwiki.org is down. However, I see that plenty of edits have been made to the wiki in that time, so obviously it wasn't entirely down. Basically, I've been presented with a white screen that occasionally loaded the hills in the background and sometimes the Homestar logo in the top-left corner, and if I moved the mouse around the screen, it would recognize where links and drop-down menus were, but it wouldn't show me any text for the links and all. Any idea what may have happened/be happening? {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 20:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
-	::Okay, due to several requests and the seeming lack of need to update the Main Page, I've protected it.  Please note that I do not like having it protected, this being a wiki and all, but I agree that it really doesn't need to be edited that much and is just sitting there as troll fodder.  Thanks to all who helped with that last batch of defacement.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:12, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)	+	:Hey Knights.  Usually, when a big update is released, wiki activity jumps exponentially and typically the wiki reaction times can slow down to a crawl.  Pages still load but they take forever and one must be patient.  Eventually that goes away as edits taper down.  However, for a site like "downforeveryoneorjustme", their timeout is likely far shorter than regular browsers when reporting if a site is down.  In your particular case it seems that not all website elements are loading and some may be timing out and not loading at all.  I'd typically expect that behavior during peak edit times.  Hope this helps a tiny bit! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 06:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
		+	::At some point I did see pages seemingly load but remain blank unless I interacted with the tab in some way, though that could have been a browser issue, it never really prevented me from accessing the wiki, and I haven't been experiencing it for a while. I've also had some "unable to connect" errors because sometimes when loading the wiki, it attempts to load an https URL. Most of the time, though, especially after a new release, it's been just slowdowns. {{User:DEIDATVM/sig}} 21:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
-	:::I never change the main page, so I'm pretty happy with that, but I do have one concern. Might the Trollers who automatically go to work on the Main Page to start with, now be forced to move onto smaller, harder to detect defacements on other pages? What if we're only spreading the diease? [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<small><tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>?Thunderbird?</font>]]</tt></small>'']] 18:46, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)	+	=== Still Slow ===
		+	It seems that the wiki hasn't fully recovered from its slowdowns back in August.  In the last couple of months I've come across the Job Queue and [[MW:Manual:Job queue|this mediawiki page]] detailing what it is and how it's supposed to function.  I get the impression that currently, all jobs on the wiki are running when a page is being requested. The page outlines a means by which the jobs can be run in the background (either via cron job or background process; I'd recommend the background process) and then the job run rate could be set to zero (so that pages aren't spending time running jobs while loading).  Is this something that is already in place or could this perhaps be implemented in order to improve overall performance even during busy periods? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 11:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
-	::::A good concern, and lucky for me I have this wonderful ditty to cite:	+	==glitch on the main pages ==
-	::::''...the fact is that for every troll with too much spare time, there are 100 users with just as much spare time ready and eager to undo that troll's (un)work. The fact is, the trolls always get bored before the users do, because the users are emotionally invested in what they've created and the Wiki moves fast enough that the average trolling only lasts about two minutes before it's reverted. A troll's work is hardly ever noticed by anybody, but a legitimate user's work is always noticed and appreciated. That's why wikis work. — InterruptorJones 15:37, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)'' <small>([[User_talk:FireBird#Question_from_Troll|ref]])</small>	+
-	::::Simply put, that's just how wikis work.  We'll notice no matter where or how small, and they will get tired.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:55, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)	+
-	::::::That is, unless said troll or trolls are emotionally invested in destroying the wiki. --Guest	+	Noticed a glitch on the main pages, done by holding the cursor on one of the buttons, and then moving away, and then moving your finger off the mouse. to see what this does and what I mean, refer to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgM-NA0Rja4 [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 21:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
		+	:There's a whole page about this. [[Main Page Glitches]] {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 21:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
-	::Good answer, thanks. Come to think of it, I guess if everyone has on their watchlist the pages they created, or just care for, then likely whatever page is edited will be watched by SOMEBODY. Thanks for the quick reply. [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<small><tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>?Thunderbird?</font>]]</tt></small>'']] 17:36, 19 Jan 2005 (MST)	+	== Why does the website still have the Halloween theme? ==
		+	Halloween ended 18 days ago, and so did October in general, so why does the website still have the Hallow's Eve theme? --{{User:Cy4nIsN0tB1u3/sig}} 04:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
		+	:Because we're still waiting for the annual Fan Costumes toon to close out the season, even if we have to wait [[Decomposing Pumpkins|days after Thanksgiving]]. Also, because the sysops in charge of changing the wiki settings are busy people with lives and tend to wait a while to get around to it. -- [[Special:Contributions/68.37.43.131|68.37.43.131]] 23:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
-	Well, I want to edit the main page. I have a feature in mind that I think would be appreciated by all (I know I'll use it), but would require a little updating every now and again. How about you just make the main page editable by registered members? Disallow guests from editing it. I await the unlocking to reveal my idea.	+	==New Fan Stumes’!==
-	--Rgb9000	+
-	:If it's such a great idea, why can't you just say it? <small><tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|<span style="color:#8B0000;">Aurora the Homestar Coder</span>]]</tt></small> 00:25, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+	The 2023 Fan Stumes has been released! And not only that, but my costume from last year is the very first Strong Bad costume! That counts as a fun fact, right? We should probably note that like how we note when a wikian sent a email. [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 17:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
-	Fair question. I want to do the actual edit so that I'll be properly credited in the history for the implementation. --[[User:Rgb9000|Rgb9000]] 01:28, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+	== Permafrosted logo? ==
-	:Well, it's a Wiki, so you can't really take credit beyond putting on your userpage that you were the one to do something. <small><tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|<span style="color:#8B0000;">Aurora the Homestar Coder</span>]]</tt></small> 01:45, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+	The Decemberween themed logo is still up, but December ended 11 days ago. The weirdest part in my opinion is that there's no d'ween themed colors despide icicles and Homestar's hat. Is there something we're waiting for, like a new not-Decemberween toon?
		+	Yours truly,
		+	The guy who confused Dobbs for Daubs. {{unsigned|206.110.189.60|11 January 2024 16:34 (UTC)}}
-	== Rejects? ==	+	:I'm not an admin, but I'm assuming the style is simply for the winter season. Even though the Christmas lights have been taken down, it's still a chilly and snowy time of year for {{w|March equinox|at least another month and a half}}. (P.S. Even if you don't have an account, please sign your posts with four tildes: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 17:34, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
-	Where did Rejects go?? What the? -- Asploder	+
-	:Away. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]<small>&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]]</small>[[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 23:57, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)	+	== Load times and potential solutions ==
-	::Yes, they're all categorised now, but I don't know where they went. [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]&mdash;<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|<font color=teal>woddfellow2</font>]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|<font color=teal>?</font></tt>]] 18:08, 14 Feb 2005 (MST)	+	The wiki's been crawling along like something funny that crawls along for about a year now. This hasn't been much more than a minor inconvenience on my end, but it comes up pretty frequently on [https://www.reddit.com/r/HomestarRunner/ the Homestar subreddit], with a concerning number saying they haven't been able to access it at all. [https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/hrwiki.org downforeveryoneorjustme.com] consistently insists that the system is down. I don't know what the hosting situation is like, nor am I anything close to an expert on such things, so unfortunately I can't diagnose the issue... But, [[DNA Evidence|after <s>extensive</s> investigation]], I'm ready to release my findings.
		+	*[[Talk:Main Page#Still Slow]] {{--}} A few months ago, [[User:Stux|Stux]] proposed a solution involving MediaWiki's [[mw:Manual:Job queue|job queue]]. Seems like something worth looking into.
		+	*[https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/host-a-website-with-high-availability/ Host a Website with High Availability] {{--}} The wiki's web host Linode features a guide on how to host a website with high availability. I can understand at most seven words of this, and I'm not sure how well it applies to wikis, but it might be helpful to someone. (They also have guides for [https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/security/ssl/ enabling HTTPS], which improves security... Maybe performance too, but I've heard mixed things about that.)
		+	*[[Special:Version]] {{--}} The wiki is currently powered by MediaWiki 1.15, which released in 2011. Later versions have added collapsible elements, citation features, slideshow galleries, an optional visual editor interface, the ability to rename categories, and most relevant to this particular discussion, [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader improved performance]. The current stable release is 1.41.
		+	*[[HRWiki:Donations]] {{--}} I just discovered that [[HRWiki:2011 Server Move|the wiki moved servers in 2011]] to cut back on expenses, which [[HRWiki talk:2011 Server Move#Slowness|apparently resulted in slower load times]] (at least initially, while settings were still being optimized). According to [[Special:Ledger]], there haven't been any donations since then (additionally, it still lists FellowSites hosting dues instead of the new host). I've seen multiple people offering to donate if they could, so if the more recent slowness is once again a financial issue, it might help to [https://www.paypal.com/us/cshelp/article/ts2067 get the donation links working again].
		+	*{{p|l=http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsers&group=developer Special:ListUsers&group=developer}} {{--}} I have no way of knowing how actively people have been working on maintaining backend stuff, but I can see that of the six developers, only [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] and [[User:Tom|Tom]] have been editing consistently since 2016. I realize I'm asking quite a lot of two people at most, and I really don't want to be too demanding... so I can't help but wonder if my suggestions might seem more reasonable if there were more people responsible for backend maintenance. I'm not qualified for that sort of thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were active users with MediaWiki and/or web development experience. As much as I want this wiki to be accessible to more people, I really don't want anyone losing sleep over it.
		+	Anyway, sorry I can't offer more help than this, but I hope someone finds this stuff useful (and that I didn't get anything terribly wrong)! {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 01:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
		+	:Out of curiosity, I decided to use [[Special:Statistics]] and the WayBack Machine to calculate roughly how many people have been affected by the slow load times. After comparing the last seven months (from around the start of the slowdowns to now) to the seven months prior, I found that the average number of edits per day has decreased from 22 to 14, and the average number of active users has dropped from 27 to 17. That's a 37% decrease in ''both'' areas, leading me to believe they are linked by a common cause...
		+	:Unfortunately I couldn't figure out if that percentage corresponded to anything specific, like "37% of people use this certain type of Internet connection"... That information would tell me which people are having problems accessing the wiki, and from there I might be able to research a potential solution, assuming any of that works the way I think it does. Maybe I'll do an off-site poll somewhere, but I'd need to know what information would be most pertinent to ask... Would that be helpful at all? {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 05:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
-	They all went to better places. Characters are now characters, items are now classified as items. Fancy that ;) [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 21:48, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)	+	Wait a minute, it seems fine now. What happened? {{unsigned|71.195.40.33|08:25, November 15, 2024 (UTC)}}
-	== Confusion over moving dates ==	+	== Availability of the wiki over https ==
-	The [[Main Page]] says that HRWiki will be moving 'from early Friday morning (Feb. 25) to late Sunday evening (Feb. 27)', but every other page says 'early Friday morning (Mar. 4) to late Sunday evening (Mar. 6)'. Someone should probably fix that on the main page, as it appears it's not closed presently. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 05:04, 26 Feb 2005 (MST)	+	Are there any plans to upgrade the wiki from http to https?
-		+	--{{User:UN_TACO/sig}} 00:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
-	:The date changed.  A hard refresh (likely ctrl+F5) of the Main Page should clear your cache and solve the problem.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:16, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)	+
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-	== New ==	+
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-	Hi, I'm new and not on the list.--[[User:mailman8|mailman8]] 09:19, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)	+
-	:Yes you are, you're number 895 &rarr;[[User:evin290|evin290]] 09:50, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)	+
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-	what number am i?--[[User:Harry|Harry]] 10:03, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)	+
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-	Here, [[Special:Listusers|find out for yourself]]. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 10:46, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)	+
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-	Thanks--[[User:mailman8|mailman8]] 11:10, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)	+
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-	== Favorite Character List ==	+
-	It think it might be nice if some o' you guys set up a "Most Popular Character" page to find out who are the most popular main characters in the Homestar Runner universe. There seems to be enough wiki users here to get an accurate idea. In this page, people would say who their favorite character is on the talk section (and their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc favorite as well if they want.) and then someone would add them all up into a graph to show who are the most/least popular character and so on. (And remember, MAIN characters only) To keep things simple, it could be a character would get 8 "popularity points" for being a first favorite, 7 for second, 6 for third, and so on. Whoever gets the highest popularity points goes in the most favorite section. Also, only registered users count. I dunno... this could be difficult and messy and inaccuriate, but if done right it could be very interesting.	+
-	Anyways... opinions anyone? --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 15:46, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)	+
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-	:Sorry, but this here's a vote for no. I think it could be a good idea under a different venu, such as the [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/Main_Page Fanstuff Wiki], or perhaps a poll in the [http://forum.hrwiki.org/ Forum]. But since this is simply a knowledge base, it wouldn't really fit in too well.	+
-	[[User:Thunderbird L17|''<small><tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>?Thunderbird?</font>]]</tt></small>'']] 16:37, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)	+
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-	::I agree with Thunderbird. It's just not necessary. &rarr;[[User:FireBird|''<small><tt>[[User:FireBird|<font color=green>FireBird</font>]]</tt></small>'']]	+
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-	:::What if it was made in Fanstuff Wiki? Don't care too much if it never happens. Besides, I wouldn't have the know-how and stuff to make a page like that anyway. Someone else would have had to do it. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 17:09, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)	+
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-	::::Yeah, that'd be awesome. Run with it. &rarr;[[User:FireBird|''<small><tt>[[User:FireBird|<font color=green>FireBird</font>]]</tt></small>'']]	+
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-	:::::I went and I ran with it. You can check it out in the Interactive section of Fanstuff H*R Wiki. :) It's called, "Character Popularity"--[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 16:47, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)	+
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-	== Article of the day? ==	+
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-	Why not have a featured article like Wikipedia?	+
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-	:We don't have any featured articles, so we couldn't have a featured article of the day.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:49, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)	+
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-	::We could do it like the Fark.com [http://216.32.91.95/Main_Page Wiki] does it. Each month has 7 articles (one for each day of the week) that rotate around every week (with a new set every month). For instance, you create a page called [[HRWiki:Featured article/Tuesday, March]] then just do an include on the main page like:	+
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-	<nowiki>== Featured article ==</nowiki><br>	+
-	<nowiki>{{HRWiki:Featured article/{{CURRENTDAY}}, {{CURRENTMONTH}}}}</nowiki>	+
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-	That would run automatically for a whole month with only 7 articles. --[[User:noclip|noclip]] 18:53, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)	+
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-	:The fact remains that we still don't have featured articles.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:05, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)	+
-	::You don't need to "have" them. You can just make em. Start a poll of which articles should be on the front page, take those and copy-paste them into HRWiki:Featured article/Whatever day and use that link on the front page.	+
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-	== New logo ==	+
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-	How about it?	+
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-	[[Image:hrwlogoidea-fixed.png]]	+
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-	[[User:noclip|noclip]] 18:59, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)	+
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-	::I had this alternate too	+
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-	[[Image:hrlogowithhr.png]]	+
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-	[[User:noclip|noclip]] 19:26, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)	+
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-	:I like the one with the dropshadow, but would be happy with either of them... [[User:Glutnix|Glutnix]] 03:03, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)	+
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-	I've started a "Poll" about this	+
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-	:Sorry, but we don't do polls.  I've deleted your poll page accordingly.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:02, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)	+
-	::JoeyDay told me to start one. It was just to see whether the users were for it. He said it was okay and that the decision would be left up to the admins anyway. It'd have been nice if you protected the page and posted the results instead of straight up deleting it.	+
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-	:::Well, if it matters, I really don't like the green "Wiki". Another color would look nice.	+
-	:::And Homestar Runner looks a little bit bumpy. &rarr;[[User:FireBird|''<small><tt>[[User:FireBird|<font color=green>FireBird</font>]]</tt></small>'']]	+
-	::::I would have used another color but TBC pretty much used everything on the logo.	+
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-	:::::Just because it's been used once doesn't mean you can't use it again. Orange or grey would look nice (I think). &rarr;[[User:FireBird|''<small><tt>[[User:FireBird|<font color=green>FireBird</font>]]</tt></small>'']]	+
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-	:::The first one looks great. I don't know about the green, but it looks better than the current logo. ~[[User:Rainer|Rainer]]~	+
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-	::::The first one is perfect. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:10, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)	+
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-	:::::I love them both! Actiually, contrary to what these folks are saying, I like the green (probably because it's my favourite colour... xD). But I agree that Homestar looks bumpy. The first ones real nice, though.	+
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-	::On second thought, the green looks nice, actually. ~[[User:Rainer|Rainer]]~	+
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-	:I think that the first one is incredible! Nice work! I love the green! &rarr;[[User:evin290|evin290]] 14:32, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)	+
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-	:I Think the second one should be used. I prefer it over the one that's up now. And I also like the green "wiki". That logo looks really, really nice. But as for the first one... I don't know, the drop shadow just doesn't look H*Rish, and it's good to see H*R (the character) on the logo. In conclusion... the second one. --[[User:70.25.9.49|70.25.9.49]] 01:52, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)	+
-	::Have you seen the H*R loading screen? It's got the drop shadow.	+
-	:::Yeah, but the logo in the loading screen is round, and I think the shadow isn't quite as dark. With the "Wiki" in there, the shadow looks like it should be more complex, but then it would be too realistic. Well, that's how I feel about it.	+
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-	:Though I am leaning toward the second logo, I like the first one almost as much (the green isn't a problem to me). Both logos are pretty good. Nice job. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 16:33, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
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-	:Not to be a picky monkey, but they look a tad bit jaggy...do ya think you could smooth it out a bit, especially the one with Homestar on it? - [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 16:35, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
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-	Oh my gosh that rocks out loud I love the green it fits so well. I love it love it love it. For cerial. (does that count as "internet slang"?)--[[User:Because, It's Midnite|Because, It's Midnite]]	+
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-	I like it. Dropshadow. ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>⇔Thunderbird⇔</font>]]</tt>'' 01:09, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
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-	Me too. Dropshadow! [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:47, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
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-	I'm not a member but I go on this site all the time and you can't stop me from giving my opinion so... I VOTE DROPSHADOW! -Alice	+
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-	==Scared of 1.4.0==	+
-	I'm scared of this upgrading to 1.4.0<br>	+
-	I didn't like what it did to the fanstuff. Because...<br>	+
-	1. Different font. It's smaller and I don't like it as much.<br>	+
-	2. History erased. I expecially do not want that to happen. Not to mention it could leave some page histery blank, making them targets for non-revertable trolling.<br>	+
-	So, what I'm trying to say, is that if you can't get past these two problems, I think I'd prefer this wiki staying in the 1.3's. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:37, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)	+
-	::I ran an upgrade to 1.4 a week ago on a pretty big wiki (~200 articles), it went seamlessly. The main page was defaulted, but that was easily reversible through history. Other than that, it shouldn't mess anything up. My thoughts, go ahead and do the upgrade.	+
-	:::Well, look at what happened to Fanstuff Wiki. Almost all history was erased, the font is smaller and uploading pictures doesn't work. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 06:20, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)	+
-		+
-	== Character Evolution, The Stick ==	+
-		+
-	I posted the first of my suggestions on the discussion page for the FAQ, which of course was not the right place. If it doesn't make any sense what I am about to say, maybe how I worded it there does.	+
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-	===Suggestion #1: Character Evolution===	+
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-	In the [[Character Evolution]] pages, we should not treat the Yello Dello and Reddest Radish versions as designs. We shouldn't even include them on the page (perhaps in a sub-section "Other ways so-and-so has been drawn") because these were NEVER solid designs, they were never intended to be and simply aren't. The ''designs'' themselves are valid when talking about the Reddest Radish but they are still not necessary for the page.	+
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-	===Suggestion #2: The Stick===	+
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-	I believe that the Stick should not be treated as an Inside Joke, but rather as a full-fledged 'place.' I think it's earned that title, don't you?	+
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-	Ok, so everyone leave your thoughts, comment or whatever here. I hope to get these suggestions used.	+
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-	EDIT: I also believe that [[fhqwhgads]] should return to beign an inside joke.	+
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-	*I agree with all three of those. Reddest Radish and Yello Dello aren't real designs. --[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 15:41, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)	+
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-	==Editing issues==	+
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-	For some reason, I can't edit the WikiTroll page. In fact, I can't even edit its talk page! I'm not banned (I can edit other pages just fine.) Every time I try to edit those pages, though, it informs me that I'm trying to edit a page that's just been edited - even though there's no new edit on the Recent Changes page or anywhere else. I was trying to add [[User:160.7.1.12|160.7.1.12]], a repeat offender who defaced [[long pants]] and [[Strong Bad Email]]. Can anyone else edit the WikiTroll page? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 10:31, 6 Apr 2005 (MDT)	+
-	:It's a result of the move to MediaWiki 1.4. Lots of people are having problems editing certain pages, including the [[HRWiki:WikiTroll Archive|WikiTroll Archive]], [[Strong Bad's Room Main Page]], [[japanese cartoon]], and most importantly [[HRWiki:WikiTroll|WikiTroll]] and [[HRWiki Talk:WikiTroll|Talk:WikiTroll]]. For more information, go to [[HRWiki Talk:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4]] --[[User:Venusy|Venusy]] 17:39, 6 Apr 2005 (BST)	+
-	:I too had the same problems editing the WikiTroll and WikiTroll Talk pages, which I posted on the [[HRWiki Talk:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4]]. Annoying, yes? <small><tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|<font color=#8B0000>Aurora the Homestar Coder</font>]]</tt></small> 12:48, 6 Apr 2005 (MDT)	+
-	:: I know I'm not the only one annoyed by a lack of WikiTroll page. Perhaps we should set up a temporary replacement? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 14:06, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)	+
-	::: That sounds like a great idea, since we've had a frustrating number of repeat trolls recently, like that guy who keeps changing the pictures around. We could call it "Temporary WikiTroll". <small><tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|<font color=#8B0000>Aurora the Homestar Coder</font>]]</tt></small> 15:06, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)	+
-	:::: I called it [[HRWiki:WikiTroll 2.0|WikiTroll 2.0]]. Too bad I can't edit the main page or the old WikiTroll page to link to it. Sigh. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 18:45, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)	+
-	:::::Great jorb! <small><tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|<font color=#8B0000>Aurora the Homestar Coder</font>]]</tt></small> 19:15, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)	+
-	::::::Now if only a mod would put it in an easily-accessible spot... or acknowledge its existence... --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 23:12, 8 Apr 2005 (MDT)	+
-	:::::::So, have none of the mods noticed the WikiTroll problem? Hasn't anyone noticed that the Wiki Troll page hasn't updated since the move? <small><tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|<font color=#8B0000>Aurora the Homestar Coder</font>]]</tt></small> 04:14, 9 Apr 2005 (MDT)	+
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-	== Watchlist is acting a little strange... ==	+
-		+
-	The watchlist is looking a bit weird - what happened? Was the database restored from a backup or something?	+
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-	''(1 pages watched not counting talk pages; 120000 total pages edited''	+
-	''since cutoff; checking watched pages for recent edits... show and''	+
-	''edit complete list.)''	+
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-	--------------------------------------------------------------------	+
-	Below are the last '''2''' changes in last '''3''' days.	+
-	Show last 1 | 2 | 6 | 12 hours 1 | 3 | 7 days all	+
-	'''14 Apr 2005'''	+
-	(diff) (hist) . . HRWiki talk:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4; 23:21 . .	+
-	12.2.235.67 (Talk) ''(→Creating a New Account)''	+
-	'''3 Apr 2005'''	+
-	(diff) (hist) . . '''N''' HRWiki:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4; 11:04 . . Tom	+
-	(Talk) ''(Add stuff.)''	+
-	--[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] <small>[[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] [[Special:Emailuser/Pidgeot|(e)]]</small> 13:14, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
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-	:Yeah, I'm seeing 120000 total pages edited too.  You're the first one to notice, but I'm guessing this happens for most/all of users.  Looks like my hope that our [[HRWiki talk:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4|problems since upgrading]] were all fixed has been dashed.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:29, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
-	::Thing is, this didn't happen at the same time as any of the changes (at least not that I know of). Although, the most obvious culprit is the time zone change, but the problem didn't occur until a while after that happened.	+
-	::I just noticed that the total pages edited field is always 40000*days - so if you select 6 hours (0.25 days), it shows 10000. I'd like to know where that figure comes from... but I'd need file and database access to verify, and that would probably be a little too much to ask :) --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] <small>[[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] [[Special:Emailuser/Pidgeot|(e)]]</small> 23:39, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
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-	:I've just seen it as well. --[[User:Venusy|Venusy]], 16:36, 20 April 2005 (BST)	+
-	:Same here -- <tt><sub><span style="color:#cc3333;">Posted by:</span></sub> [[User:-erson|<span style="color:#000066;">-erson</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:-erson|<span style="color:#cc3333;">Talk</span>]]</sup></tt>  23:41, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
-	:This happened to me too. --[[User:acekirby13|<font color=green>acekirby13</font>]] 16:20, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
-	::Pidgeot, if you have any specific queries you need me to run, just ask.  I'm all about getting to the bottom of this.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:16, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
-	:::I'm afraid I need to examine things close up for me to try and determine anything - I have a number of ideas, but testing any of them is an extensive process, and it would be much easier to do this myself.	+
-	:::Could you possibly supply me with a MySQL database dump and a copy of your MediaWiki installation (in case you have files that for some reason are different from a standard MediaWiki 1.4 installation), so I can work on it remotely? I can supply you with a variety of methods of getting the files to me - FTP, a GMail account to send to, etc. (You can e-mail me if you want to discuss it more privately - just click the <small>(e)</small> in my sig.)  --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] <small>[[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] [[Special:Emailuser/Pidgeot|(e)]]</small> 17:20, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
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-	::::Heh, I just tried that (e), but it looks like our User email function isn't working for some reason.  The link in the toolbox doesn't show up on user pages either.  Anyway, send me an email at [mailto:tom@hrwiki.org tom@hrwiki.org] and we'll talk.  Thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:07, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
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-	:::::Fixed, thanks to Pidgeot's help.  For more information, see [http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1778 MediaWiki bug 1778].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:16, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== Refactoring the Main Page ==	+
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-	How would people feel about having the main page refactored to be more like Wikipedia? I think we've got enough content that we could highlight a different article each week and keep a rolling "did you know" list. I also like Wikipedia's category links at the top of the main page. What does everyone think? [[User:JoeyDay|<nowiki></nowiki>]] &mdash;[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] [[User talk:JoeyDay|(Talk)]] 22:30, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
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-	:I suggested this too up in "Article of the Day?" on this page. I fully support it.	+
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-	::I don't think out category system is set up to be navigated like Wikipedia's is.  Additionally, running the "Article of the whatever" would be a full-time job.  We'd also need someone to come up with a system.  The idea sounds nice, but how would you do it?  Remember, the english language Wikipedia has 550 times as many legitimate content articles and 165 times as many registered users as we do.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:22, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
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-	:::You're right. I don't think we have enough content to run an article of the day, but I wouldn't mind being in charge of a weekly or monthly featured article. It might be nice to set up a page where users could nominate articles to be featured, just to give me ideas. I also wouldn't mind scouting the wiki for strange facts to post in a "did you know" section. In fact, I think that would be fun. In short, I'm willing to do it if people want to see it done. In regard to categories, we could simply use our current [[Toons]], [[Strong Bad Email]], etc. pages instead of pointing to the categories themselves. An "in the news" section (though probably called something else) would also be useful for a quick glance at the most recent toons/emails.	+
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-	:::As a corollary to this, we would probably want to move specifically wiki-related content off the front page and onto some sort of community portal page. [[User:JoeyDay|<nowiki></nowiki>]] &mdash;[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] [[User talk:JoeyDay|(Talk)]] 18:14, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
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-	:::I've created a [[User:JoeyDay/Main Page Mock-up|mock-up]] of my main page idea. Not much different from Wikipedia's main page, but I figure what works for them should work just as well for us. I would of course build a bunch of templates to include most of the content. This is just a start. I don't want to spend too much more time on it unless more people want to see it happen. [[User:JoeyDay|<nowiki></nowiki>]] &mdash;[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] [[User talk:JoeyDay|(Talk)]] 20:13, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
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-	:::I'm fully for this new Main Page. It looks great! I think we will be able to have a new article everyweek and everything. [[User:Rainer|R<small>AINER</small>]]<sup>[[User talk:Rainer|talk</sup>]] 01:22, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
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-	:Although the new features are cool, I don't like how it makes the original list of pages less accessable. Much less accessable. -- [[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 01:52, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
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-	::I don't like the "Browse"  or any of that other stuff on there- one reason I really like this wiki is because it's so simple. Browse and all that other stuff make it sort of confusing. To me, anyways. &rarr;''<small><tt>[[User:FireBird|<font color=green>FireBird</font>]]</tt></small>''	+
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-	:::The mock up looks nice, but there are still some things I don't think we need.  You solved my category issue very well, but like Firebird mentioned, those links in the "Browse" line there are a bit cumbersome, and I can't actually picture someone using them.  I think they work for Wikipedia simply because Wikipedia has a lot of subjects.  We don't.  How would our [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Browse|Browse]] page look?	+
-	:::Joshua makes another good point.  Quite a few of the article links were left out.  This might be because they would end up somewhere else in the new system, but I like having links for things like [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]] on there.	+
-	:::Now that I've seen more of the proposal, I'm liking the idea of featured something of the something, and the idea of a "What's new" section on the front page, but I'm not feeling good about the "Did you know?" section.  That would be a job and a half for someone to manage.	+
-	:::Oh, I noticed for Wikipedia's "anyone can edit" link you went to our :About page.  I kind of like the newer [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Introduction|Introduction guide]] that Wikipedia set up back in December.  I'd be willing to set that up for us.	+
-	:::Oh, and the portal is a great idea too.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:32, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
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-	I have laid out a preliminary Categorization scheme on my [[User:Drhaggis|User Page]] for use in the new main page navigation This represents all of the top-level categories. Comments are welcome. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 17:02, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
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-	::I've also created a [[User:Tom/Introduction Mock-up|Introduction mock-up]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:35, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
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-	::Looks great Tom. Are we getting a community portal? It would be a great non-forum way to discuss the Wiki. If so it should be called "Meet-up at the Stick" or some such thing [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 17:44, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
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-	:::I think we're seriously considering it, as Joey mentioned it in his mock up and discussion as well.  "Meet-up at The Stick" sounds like the right name for it.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:49, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
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-	::::Call me stupid, but I'm not exactly sure what a community portal is. Can anyone explain it to me?  &rarr;''<small><tt>[[User:FireBird|<font color=green>FireBird</font>]]</tt></small>''	+
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-	:::::Wikipdia has their [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Community Portal|Commnuity Portal]] you could check out.  Basically, they don't have a forum and use the wiki itself for discusion of wiki-related topics.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:57, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
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-	:::Wow, man! Both mock-ups are fantastic! I really hope that they'll be used. [[User:señor|<font size=1>»</font>ß<font size=1>enit, known as señor«</font>]]	+
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-	==Interviews/Presentations==	+
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-	Since we're now starting to make pages for genuine interviews of, and presentations by [[TBC]], what about actually putting them somewhere, besides just 'sightings'. I figure that since they're put out BY [[TBC]], and not more or less fanstuff, they should get their own section linked to from the main page, under Wiki Stuff, maybe as 'Interviews' or something, and then as such, sort out all the websites we have with transcrips of interviews and stuff, and transcribe them, maybe put a few fun facts in there, ect, make them all genuine pages. I think it would really add to the usefulness of the Wiki. Any ideas? If the sysops ('''EDIT:''' Hey, That's Me!) are up to adding to the main page, I volunteer to personally spearhead, to an extent, (I'll have much more spare time as of May the 1st), this undertaking, along with transcribing, ect. Plus many of the interviews are already transcribed on the pages we're linked to, our transcriptions could just edit for typos, maybe censor a word or two, but be useful incase these pages are ever shut down, the interviews lost forever. Okay, any comments/suggestions? ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>⇔Thunderbird⇔</font>]]</tt>'' 01:08, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
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-	:Sounds good to me.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:16, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
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-	==Signatures==	+
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-	The signatures look like crap now thanks to 1.4.0	+
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-	i spent a whole day trying to reformat me signature	+
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-	then finally i got it.	+
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-	it is so annoying though but if you want a cool signature like this one :[[User:pertmywert|p<small>ertmywert</small>]]<sup>[[User talk:pertmywert|talk</sup>]] copy this:<nowiki>p<small>ertmywert</small>]]<sup>[[User talk:pertmywert|talk</sup></nowiki>	+
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-	Just replace my name bit's and put in your name	+
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-	:Actually, 1.4 handles signatures better than previous versions.  You just need to make sure your preferences are set correctly.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:23, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
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-	I think my Sig is pretty cool... ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>⇔Thunderbird⇔</font>]]</tt>'' 22:25, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
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-	:I can't see your arrows any more. Is this a font problem or what? <small><tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|<span style="color:#8B0000;">Aurora the Homestar Coder</span>]]</tt></small> 22:28, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
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-	What? My Arrows? My precious little arrows? I can still see them. Keep on Arrowing, my Arrowies. Seriously though, can you not see them? If not, does anyone have any ideas why? I like my arrows. ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>⇔Thunderbird⇔</font>]]</tt>'' 22:42, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
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-	:In order to see the arrows, you must have Japanese fonts installed. These can be installed through the Control Panel. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] <small>[[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike></small> 13:49, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
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-	::You're so smart. Yay for Pidgeot! &rarr;''<small><tt>[[User:FireBird|<font color=green>FireBird</font>]]</tt></small>''	+
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-	:::Yup, I can see them on my laptop which has Japanese fonts installed. Cool. <small><tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|<span style="color:#8B0000;">Aurora the Homestar Coder</span>]]</tt></small> 00:47, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
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-	::::Sweet, kinda like a special little easter egg only if you have the right font. Btw, here's another 'easter egg', just finished it today, and it'll only work on my sig starting now. Try clicking on the two arrows individually... ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>⇔</font>]][[User:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>Thunderbird</font>]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>⇔</font>]]</tt>'' 04:57, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	:::::Cute addition. You should have some sort of.... arrow... rap. <small><tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|<span style="color:#8B0000;">Aurora the Homestar Coder</span>]]</tt></small> 05:24, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	::::::"Arrows in the front, arrows in the back, get down get down, offa that [[secret recipies|smoke stack!]]." Hows that? ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>⇔</font>]][[User:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>Thunderbird</font>]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>⇔</font>]]</tt>'' 05:29, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	==Borders==	+
-	So it's not that big of a deal or anything, but I think thin black borders around the current logo would look awesome. &rarr;''<small><tt>[[User:FireBird|<font color=green>FireBird</font>]]</tt></small>''	+
-	:Yeah, you might have something there.  Here's what they might like:	+
-	::[http://img2.echo.cx/img2/5051/req69bg.png Medium]	+
-	::[http://img2.echo.cx/img2/6681/req77er.png Thick]	+
-	::[http://img2.echo.cx/img2/6194/req83kw.png Thin]	+
-	:Especially with Homestar himself having a black border. [[User:Ed smildE|<font face="tw cen mt">E<small>D</small>S<small>MILDE</small></font>]]	+
-		+
-	::You can tweak the CSS all you want.  Maybe a little <tt>#p-logo{border:thin solid black;}</tt>?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 02:11, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	:::([[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]])	+
-		+
-	::::Oh no no no, that's not what I meant at all.  Please do not edit that.  I was talking about FireBird's personal CSS at "User:FireBird/monobook.css".[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:45, 2 May 2005 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	:::::Wow, I didn't know you could do that.....! [[User:Ed smildE|<font face="tw cen mt">E<small>D</small>S<small>MILDE</small></font>]] 23:37, 2 May 2005 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== Back Links ==	+
-		+
-	I was just wondering, does anyone else think it'd be a good idea to have little links at the top and/or  bottom of pages that return to the main page that links to it?  For example, [[flashback]] would have a link at the top that would say something like "Back to [[Strong Bad Email]]" (maybe with some cool border around it).  I think it'd make browsing around the site easier.  For me, anyway.  [[User:Ed smildE|<font face="tw cen mt">E<small>D</small>S<small>MILDE</small></font>]] 22:41, 1 May 2005 (UTC)	+
-	<span style="border: thin solid red; padding: 2px; background-color: #ffaaaa;">Back to [[Strong Bad Email]]></span><br />	+
-	it could maybe look like that	+
-		+
-	:I think a link to the page would do just fine instead of a template and all that. &rarr;''<small><tt>[[User:FireBird|<font color=green>FireBird</font>]]</tt></small>''	+
-		+
-	::I love the idea of the link back, but I think the border is a little much. ~ [[User:señor|<font size=1>»</font>ß<font size=1>enit, known as señor«</font>]]	+
-		+
-	:::K, screw the template.  [[User:Ed smildE|<font face="tw cen mt">E<small>D</small>S<small>MILDE</small></font>]]	+
-		+
-	::::This sounds like a good idea, but isn't it already half done? There's a link to [[Strong Bad Email]] in [[:Template:Strong Bad Email]]. [[User:JoeyDay|<nowiki></nowiki>]] &mdash;[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] [[User talk:JoeyDay|(Talk)]] 15:45, 3 May 2005 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	:::::It's also in the navigation bar on the left side of the screen. And there's the browser back button. Plus many pages link from more than one place. Unfeasable, and unneeded, in my opinion. ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>⇔</font>]][[User:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>Thunderbird</font>]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>⇔</font>]]</tt>'' 01:55, 4 May 2005 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	::::::Note, I just deleted that template and copied the style span here.  The only thing I added was the closing span tag.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:58, 4 May 2005 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	:::::Well, about the browser back button, many times I click on the discussion page, maybe click edit, then maybe article again so when I want to go back I end up hitting back 3-4 times.  Otherwise, do you think we should make those sbemail templates for other things like toons, too?  [[User:Ed smildE|<font face="tw cen mt">E<small>D</small>S<small>MILDE</small></font>]]	+
-		+
-	== Unused images ==	+
-		+
-	I've just been looking at the [[Special:Unusedimages|unused image list]], and it suprises me just how many there are. Some are not needed anymore (to pick at random, "sketchbook serpented.PNG" is a good example), while some appear to be for personal use, but never used on the wiki itself (see images 90 to 102, and others). Should somebody delete some of these, or at least put them on their respective pages? (providing they are not redundant or personal) --[[User:Venusy|Venusy]], 16:29, 3 May 2005 (BST)	+
-		+
-	== Interwiki Links ==	+
-		+
-	I think the [[HR:|interwiki links]] are ugly in the default stylesheet. I'd like to change them to look identical to [http://www.homestarrunner.com external links], but I'm not sure that would be the best way to do things. Anyone else have ideas? [[User:JoeyDay|<nowiki></nowiki>]] &mdash;[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] [[User talk:JoeyDay|(Talk)]] 16:51, 3 May 2005 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	:I like them how they are.  Light blue without the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Talk:Main_Page#Interwiki_Links tiny arrow] is interwiki, and with the arrow is external.  Dark blue is internal.  It always made sense to me.  It's also the standard on Wikipedia and every other MediaWiki site that I can recall.  If people really don't like it, they can always adjust their personal CSS in their user page.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:31, 4 May 2005 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	::Actually, now that I'm thinking straight, the interwiki links I was looking at were ''visited'' interwiki links. I don't like that particular shade of blue. I guess I'll go change my own stylesheet. &mdash; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;">'''''[[User:JoeyDay|Joey Day]]''' ([[User talk:JoeyDay|talk]])''</span> 04:25, 4 May 2005 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	:::Heh, you just visit too many interwiki links then.  Hmm.  That's c00.  Oops, I mean, that's 00c.  Er, that's cool.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:55, 4 May 2005 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	::::Actually, now that I've examined the stylesheet, there really wasn't a difference between visited or unvisited interwiki links. It really was a dirty looking shade of blue. I've changed the global stylesheet so that interwiki links and external links are the same color. I won't add the arrow to interwiki links though, even though I'd like to since they are technically still outgoing links. &mdash; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;">'''''[[User:JoeyDay|Joey Day]]''' ([[User talk:JoeyDay|talk]])''</span> 16:11, 4 May 2005 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== Strong Bad Email link in navigation box ==	+
-		+
-	Does anyone actually use the Strong Bad Email link in the navigation box to the left? If enough people use it, I suppose we should leave it there, but I'm starting to think it's a little silly. If we link to Strong Bad Email from the sidebar, why don't we link to Toons, Games, Characters, etc. from the sidebar? Where do we draw the line? What makes Strong Bad Email so much more important than other pages? Just a thought. [[User:JoeyDay|<nowiki></nowiki>]] &mdash;[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] [[User talk:JoeyDay|(Talk)]] 17:35, 3 May 2005 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	:I think it is a very busy link.  As much as we like to remain NPOV, Strong Bad Emails are quite the popular feature of homestarrunner.com.  The Brothers Chaps seem to acknowledge this in their focus on the emails, and perhaps the fact that they are so often updated is another reason to keep it.  I don't know what others think, but I think the link can stay.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:40, 4 May 2005 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	::Same here. ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>⇔</font>]][[User:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>Thunderbird</font>]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>⇔</font>]]</tt>'' 01:56, 4 May 2005 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	::I use it a lot. I think we should put it below "H*R.com updates" though. [[User:Rainer|R<small>AINER</small>]]<sup>[[User talk:Rainer|talk</sup>]] 05:56, 4 May 2005 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	:::Done. &mdash; <span style="font-variant: small-caps;">'''''[[User:JoeyDay|Joey Day]]''' ([[User talk:JoeyDay|talk]])''</span> 16:12, 4 May 2005 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== Something's Up... ==	+
-		+
-	Hey, has this been popping up for anybody else?	+
-		+
-	A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the	+
-	software. The last attempted database query was: (SQL query hidden) from	+
-	within function "MediaWikiBagOStuff:_doquery". MySQL returned error "1062:	+
-	Duplicate entry 'hrwiki_mwiki:messages:Sitenotice' for key 1 (localhost)".	+
-		+
-	I'm sure it's a MediaWiki glitch, but I wanted to see if anyone else is having this problem. If an admin could help out, it would be greatly apreciated. Thanks! --[[User:acekirby13|<font color=green>acekirby13</font>]] 20:38, 6 May 2005 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	:I've gotten this too. &rarr;''<small><tt>[[User:FireBird|<font color=green>FireBird</font>]]</tt></small>''	+
-		+
-	::I've seen it several times, too. Perhaps we should sic [[User:Tom|Tom]] and [[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] on it. &mdash; http://joeyday.com/images/wikisig.gif <span style="font-variant: small-caps;">'''[[User:JoeyDay|Joey]]''' ([[User talk:JoeyDay|talk]]&middot;[[Special:Contributions/JoeyDay|edits]])</span> 20:44, 6 May 2005 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	:::I wish I were as smart as them. They're like, amazing. &rarr;''<small><tt>[[User:FireBird|<font color=green>FireBird</font>]]</tt></small>''	+
-		+
-	::::It's all a matter of learning by doing. Go get Apache, PHP (zipped version, NOT installer), MySQL and PHPMyAdmin, set them up on a Windows machine (mostly automatic), and start playing around. Find someone who already knows about these things, so you have someone to turn to when things don't go your way. Then write a small program of some sort. It could be anything - for me, my first PHP program was a POKéMON management system that kept track on your POKéMON and their training, whilst calculating various things about them, but that's probably too high a starting point for most people. ^_^ --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] <small>[[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike></small> 21:25, 6 May 2005 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	It just happened to me again. It wasn't too bad a while ago, but now, it's becoming more frequent. To reiterate: Something's up... --[[User:acekirby13|<font color=green>acekirby13</font>]] 20:53, 6 May 2005 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	:Same here, I just got two in as many minutes. The only thing I recognize in there is the [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice|site notice]], but I don't think that helps here. --[[User:Venusy|<font face="commodore 64">Venusy</font>]] <sub><tt>([[User talk:Venusy|Talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Venusy|Contributions]])</tt></sub>, 22:18, 6 May 2005 (BST)	+
-		+
-	::I've gotten it too a couple of times. Never really thought too much about it. I've done a few database queries and [[Wikipedia:grep]]s on the MediaWiki software, but I haven't found anything.	+
-	::I may need a new database dump if I'm to make an indepth analysis and find out what's wrong - the error didn't occur until after I got my copy, so if it's database-related, I wouldn't have the error here. However, I've got an idea as to what it might be, so if Tom'd be so kind as to run a single query on the database for me, and tell me the result, I might be able to find the solution that way.	+
-	::The query that needs to be run is <tt>SELECT * FROM cur WHERE cur_title LIKE '%sitenotice'</tt>. Since the error is periodic, rather than permanent, it probably won't return a useful result, but it's worth a shot.	+
-	::Oh, if anyone has seen the error WITHOUT the query hidden (can sysops do that? Or maybe Tom?), it would help me immensly if you could tell me what the query is. That way, I can see what exactly is causing the error, and locate the PHP file sending that query to MySQL. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] <small>[[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike></small> 21:25, 6 May 2005 (UTC)	+

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Contents 1 sbemail templates 2 Trogday decor 3 How many references do you need? 4 Songs archive 5 dot dot dot 6 Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual? 7 Editing user pages 8 Wiki availability 8.1 Still Slow 9 glitch on the main pages 10 Why does the website still have the Halloween theme? 11 New Fan Stumes’! 12 Permafrosted logo? 13 Load times and potential solutions 14 Availability of the wiki over https

[edit] sbemail templates

See Talk:Strong Bad Email → sbemail templates

[edit] Trogday decor

Does the Featured content of the day (or whenever) template automatically switch to different links on certain days? Such as linking to dragon, Trogday '08 and other things when the time comes? Or is that done manually? Because tomorrow is Trogday. - HoveringSombrero (talk)

It's not automatic, but as you can see (at the time of this writing), the decorations were indeed put up to coincide with Trogday. — It's dot com 01:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

[edit] How many references do you need?

How many references to a thing need to be on a page for the thing the page is about to become a real page? Just curious because my mock-up seinfeld page includes eight references to the titular show. The page on The Big Lebowski has the same amount of references... so do I just make a Seinfeld page now? ----J∃ffJMan 20:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

done and done ----J∃ffJMan 20:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

See our inclusion guidelines. — It's dot com 21:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Songs archive

Would it be OK if I created a subpage to my user page with a complete archive of every existing song in the Homestar universe? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:28, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure we have that covered. — It's dot com 23:18, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Well, I was gonna add MP3 files with them, so people could download them and stuff. Is that still OK? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 00:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

No, that's not what the user space is for. — It's dot com 00:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

[edit] dot dot dot

Why come whenever I try to link to lady…ing and Cheat Commandos…O's, the link is broken? Is it because of those ellipses? — HoveringSombrero (talk)

Sort of! "…" is different from "...", it's a single character rather than three periods. Try highlighting it and you can see. This is kind of like the difference between “curly quotes” and "straight quotes" - in both cases, the former is typically made via autocorrect in word processors or mobile keyboards, while the latter is preferred by the wiki. So while lady…ing and lady...ing may look the same, they are actually two different typed entries. -- Bleu Ninja 22:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

I've added redirects to fix the issue. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 23:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! — HoveringSombrero (talk)

[edit] Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual?

Strong Bad Email has been in the sidebar for as long as I can remember, presumably because it was the most popular and most actively updated portion of the website. With the Twitter account handily outpacing both sbemails and "H*R.com updates" (not to mention the CGI Paper directing viewers to tweet rather than email), might it be worth adding it over there? I know I regularly find myself navigating to the @StrongBadActual page(s) to fill out "Fast Forward" sections of pages or to find dates when an item or project was mentioned. -- Bleu Ninja 20:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree (and I'm not going to do the whole "Don't you think I agree" part, this isn't E-mail Birds, but it is bird season.), and I fully support putting it there. It's a handy page and we've put a lot of work into cataloging every post made by strong bad on twitter, with fun facts to boot! So consider this my SUPPORT. ----J∃ffJMan 22:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I also SUPPORT. — HoveringSombrero (talk)

, So I SUPPORT this too, but I like having easy access to the Strong Bad Email page, considering I usually watch the sbemails by clicking on the external links. So, maybe we keep both? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Maybe we link to it as [[@StrongBadActual Tweets 2023|Twitter]] and put it above Strong Bad Email and underneath Recent changes? — HoveringSombrero (talk)

GREAT IDEA! I like it! I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 18:00, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Editing user pages

Alright, so, I've been thinking. The block log has a lot of "user banned for editing userpages of other users". So, the main page, for example, has a system so only sysops can edit it. What if we add a system to all user pages that basically makes it impossible for anybody but the user to edit it? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

The thing is, I feel sysops / admins / wiki bots should probably still be able to edit user pages. For example, an admin fixing a bug on the page or a bot auto-replacing a link. But I agree that no one else should edit other user pages. Or somehow make a system where users can choose who can edit the page. — HoveringSombrero (talk) 18:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

We already have explicit guidelines on who can and should edit user pages. If a user page is edited for anything other than a legitimate reason, the edit typically gets quickly reverted. No harm done. Anyone that might be banned in relation to user page edits is most likely doing it in a disruptive manner. In any case, the block logs mostly include bans for spamming. There really is no compelling reason to add user page security settings or tools for this. --Stux 21:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki availability

For about the past week, I haven't been able to access the HRWiki, and downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently confirmed (and still does) that hrwiki.org is down. However, I see that plenty of edits have been made to the wiki in that time, so obviously it wasn't entirely down. Basically, I've been presented with a white screen that occasionally loaded the hills in the background and sometimes the Homestar logo in the top-left corner, and if I moved the mouse around the screen, it would recognize where links and drop-down menus were, but it wouldn't show me any text for the links and all. Any idea what may have happened/be happening? The Knights Who Say Ni 20:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Hey Knights. Usually, when a big update is released, wiki activity jumps exponentially and typically the wiki reaction times can slow down to a crawl. Pages still load but they take forever and one must be patient. Eventually that goes away as edits taper down. However, for a site like "downforeveryoneorjustme", their timeout is likely far shorter than regular browsers when reporting if a site is down. In your particular case it seems that not all website elements are loading and some may be timing out and not loading at all. I'd typically expect that behavior during peak edit times. Hope this helps a tiny bit! --Stux 06:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

At some point I did see pages seemingly load but remain blank unless I interacted with the tab in some way, though that could have been a browser issue, it never really prevented me from accessing the wiki, and I haven't been experiencing it for a while. I've also had some "unable to connect" errors because sometimes when loading the wiki, it attempts to load an https URL. Most of the time, though, especially after a new release, it's been just slowdowns. DEI DAT VM^┌_{datvm center}\^{super contra}_┘ 21:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Still Slow

It seems that the wiki hasn't fully recovered from its slowdowns back in August. In the last couple of months I've come across the Job Queue and this mediawiki page detailing what it is and how it's supposed to function. I get the impression that currently, all jobs on the wiki are running when a page is being requested. The page outlines a means by which the jobs can be run in the background (either via cron job or background process; I'd recommend the background process) and then the job run rate could be set to zero (so that pages aren't spending time running jobs while loading). Is this something that is already in place or could this perhaps be implemented in order to improve overall performance even during busy periods? --Stux 11:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

[edit] glitch on the main pages

Noticed a glitch on the main pages, done by holding the cursor on one of the buttons, and then moving away, and then moving your finger off the mouse. to see what this does and what I mean, refer to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgM-NA0Rja4 I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 21:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

There's a whole page about this. Main Page Glitches Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 21:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Why does the website still have the Halloween theme?

Halloween ended 18 days ago, and so did October in general, so why does the website still have the Hallow's Eve theme? --Cy4nIsN0tB1u3 04:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Because we're still waiting for the annual Fan Costumes toon to close out the season, even if we have to wait days after Thanksgiving. Also, because the sysops in charge of changing the wiki settings are busy people with lives and tend to wait a while to get around to it. -- 68.37.43.131 23:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

[edit] New Fan Stumes’!

The 2023 Fan Stumes has been released! And not only that, but my costume from last year is the very first Strong Bad costume! That counts as a fun fact, right? We should probably note that like how we note when a wikian sent a email. I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 17:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Permafrosted logo?

The Decemberween themed logo is still up, but December ended 11 days ago. The weirdest part in my opinion is that there's no d'ween themed colors despide icicles and Homestar's hat. Is there something we're waiting for, like a new not-Decemberween toon? Yours truly, The guy who confused Dobbs for Daubs. — 206.110.189.60 (Talk | contribs) 11 January 2024 16:34 (UTC) (left unsigned)

I'm not an admin, but I'm assuming the style is simply for the winter season. Even though the Christmas lights have been taken down, it's still a chilly and snowy time of year for at least another month and a half. (P.S. Even if you don't have an account, please sign your posts with four tildes: ~~~~) -- Bleu Ninja 17:34, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

[edit] Load times and potential solutions

The wiki's been crawling along like something funny that crawls along for about a year now. This hasn't been much more than a minor inconvenience on my end, but it comes up pretty frequently on the Homestar subreddit, with a concerning number saying they haven't been able to access it at all. downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently insists that the system is down. I don't know what the hosting situation is like, nor am I anything close to an expert on such things, so unfortunately I can't diagnose the issue... But, after extensive investigation, I'm ready to release my findings.

• Talk:Main Page#Still Slow — A few months ago, Stux proposed a solution involving MediaWiki's job queue. Seems like something worth looking into.
• Host a Website with High Availability — The wiki's web host Linode features a guide on how to host a website with high availability. I can understand at most seven words of this, and I'm not sure how well it applies to wikis, but it might be helpful to someone. (They also have guides for enabling HTTPS, which improves security... Maybe performance too, but I've heard mixed things about that.)
• Special:Version — The wiki is currently powered by MediaWiki 1.15, which released in 2011. Later versions have added collapsible elements, citation features, slideshow galleries, an optional visual editor interface, the ability to rename categories, and most relevant to this particular discussion, improved performance. The current stable release is 1.41.
• HRWiki:Donations — I just discovered that the wiki moved servers in 2011 to cut back on expenses, which apparently resulted in slower load times (at least initially, while settings were still being optimized). According to Special:Ledger, there haven't been any donations since then (additionally, it still lists FellowSites hosting dues instead of the new host). I've seen multiple people offering to donate if they could, so if the more recent slowness is once again a financial issue, it might help to get the donation links working again.
• Special:ListUsers&group=developer — I have no way of knowing how actively people have been working on maintaining backend stuff, but I can see that of the six developers, only It's dot com and Tom have been editing consistently since 2016. I realize I'm asking quite a lot of two people at most, and I really don't want to be too demanding... so I can't help but wonder if my suggestions might seem more reasonable if there were more people responsible for backend maintenance. I'm not qualified for that sort of thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were active users with MediaWiki and/or web development experience. As much as I want this wiki to be accessible to more people, I really don't want anyone losing sleep over it.

Anyway, sorry I can't offer more help than this, but I hope someone finds this stuff useful (and that I didn't get anything terribly wrong)! Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 01:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, I decided to use Special:Statistics and the WayBack Machine to calculate roughly how many people have been affected by the slow load times. After comparing the last seven months (from around the start of the slowdowns to now) to the seven months prior, I found that the average number of edits per day has decreased from 22 to 14, and the average number of active users has dropped from 27 to 17. That's a 37% decrease in both areas, leading me to believe they are linked by a common cause...

Unfortunately I couldn't figure out if that percentage corresponded to anything specific, like "37% of people use this certain type of Internet connection"... That information would tell me which people are having problems accessing the wiki, and from there I might be able to research a potential solution, assuming any of that works the way I think it does. Maybe I'll do an off-site poll somewhere, but I'd need to know what information would be most pertinent to ask... Would that be helpful at all? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 05:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Wait a minute, it seems fine now. What happened? — 71.195.40.33 (Talk | contribs) 08:25, November 15, 2024 (UTC) (left unsigned)

[edit] Availability of the wiki over https

Are there any plans to upgrade the wiki from http to https? --UN TACO 00:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)