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[edit] STUFF reform

[edit] The note

Here's the note you requested. HRWiki:IRC_channel? -- Tom 17:30, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I for the instructions, I have this:

{Tom's code moved here: User:It's dot com/instructions code}

You need to fix up Section II, since I have no idea what's going on there. (And quite possibily sections I and III as well.) You also might want to check out some of the bulleted points in the things to consider section for when you write up the instructions. Well, good luck. -- Tom 18:58, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)


[edit] STUFF help

I would be glad to help you out Dot Com. I'm bored and I'm really digging what you are doing here. Keep up the good work. -- Tony Stony

On an aside note, when the time comes will you need help turning all of the current STUFF'd facts to your format? If so lemmie know and I can help you out. When do you think the big change might occur? -- Tony Stony
I'm shooting for the middle of this week. Maybe there won't be a new toon this week. That would help. — It's dot com 00:34, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Looks like you're about ready to make this happen. I would also be willing to help you and Tony with the big change, if you so desire. You know, taking what's currently in STUFF and putting it on the new page. There's a lot of them there. Just let me know. --Some HSR themed username 03:12, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I welcome any help I can get. I don't know the best way to go about it. I figure we'll have to temporarily close the STUFF page so that people aren't trying to edit it while we're converting it. Also, I want to open the format up for others to test. I'm trying to get that done tonight. I think the format is really easy to use, but I made it, so there could be problems I'm not seeing. I'll leave you a note on your talk page when I have more to report, which shouldn't be too long from now. — It's dot com 03:48, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
In case you didn't notice, I've discovered what is causing the problem in STUFF. Not external links in and of themselves (notice that "The Legend of Credits" has an external link.) It's the fact that there was an equal sign in one of the links. Try plugging a random equal sign into any fact (link or no) and see what happens. --Jay o'Lantern (Haunt) 07:59, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If you're looking for a response as to the new STUFF's simplicity, I would say it is pretty easy if you follow the directions. I do have a suggestion, though. For the how to revise page you have the entire template out for cutting and pasting, but the initial template setup has the optional things on parts of it. It might make it easier to take the optional notes and the false user votes off of that template so it's easy to cut and paste the entire thing. That's what I think anyway. Other than that, I think the new system is great. --Some HSR themed username 19:27, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I went ahead an implemented everything, including Protecting all the templates and DELETING!! all the test pages I could think of. If there are others I missed, feel free to TBD them. I ended up erasing a lot of old Verdicted facts on the old STUFF page - dig through the history if you really feel you need them. --Jay o'Lantern (Haunt) 07:42, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)


[edit] New STUFF Verdicts

The new STUFF looks prooty good! One little quibble: it appears that the original posting dates were not included when the open STUFFs were ported. My real question is: how should a VERDICT'D STUFF look? -- tomstiff 13:12, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The date thing was my fault. Anyway, I guess that a VERDICT should be another template or two, and should be put in place of the arguments and votes. --Jay o'Lantern (Haunt) 17:02, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I fixed the dates. For verdicts, we can either move the items to the talk pages (like we do now), or they could be moved to a different subpage, like HRWIKI:STUFF Archive/pagename, for example. If we use an archive subpage, we should put a reference link on the talk page with the fact in question and the verdict.
As items close, they should definitely be moved somewhere. Otherwise, if down the line someone STUFFs something new from a page, all the old, closed facts will still be there. Once a template subpage is empty (all the facts have closed), the template subpage should be deleted. — It's dot com 17:13, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The rest of this discussion has moved to HRWiki_talk:STUFF#Verdicts.


[edit] <3

My ace in the hole. You rock. Good prize. —BazookaJoe 06:15, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Well, thank you! (But what specifically are you referring to? And what does "less than three" mean in this context?)It's dot com 06:18, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Haha, "less than three" in this context means, "Yay! Heart!" This is just a random compliment for you. You know, because you're always cool. —BazookaJoe 06:25, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Of course! Now I see. (I'm not a big emoticon user myself, so you'll have to forgive my ignorance here.) And thanks for the encouraging words! Great jaerb on the Biz Cas Fri 1 transcript. It's always fun to help on those (especially since I rarely get the chance to do one — they're always done so quickly after a toon is released). Keep up the good troll fightin' recent patrollin' wiki gnomin' work! — It's dot com 06:38, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I already congraturated you once, but way to go, again, STUFF guru! -BazookaJoe 01:45, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)

As always, you are welcome. Just curious, what made you think to say that this time? — It's dot com 01:46, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Well, I was sitting in Recent Changes... and just looking at the two jillion STUFF edits you make every two jillion seconds. That's very cool. -BazookaJoe 01:48, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Ha ha, it feels like that sometimes. The way I look at it, since I stirred up the waters by coming up with the format, I have an obligation to keep it as well-oiled as possible, and so I do a lot of maintenance on items, even if I don't actually participate in every vote. — It's dot com 01:52, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)
And well-oiled it is. -BazookaJoe 01:57, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)

[edit] STUFF query

Hey It's dot com, I just noticed that one of bottom 10's STUFF entries is not ever going to succeed due to the author's mistake. (The Knott's Berry Farm one) It is not true, and will not get a single acceptance vote. I just thought it might be best to close that one now and save everybody time. On that note, I have also noticed that you are the only one who ever closes STUFFed facts, and was wondering if you wanted a hand with that. I am willing to help you out if you want me to.
Forever Young, small_logo.pngUsername-talk 20:17, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)

To tell the truth, I don't mind doing it at all; it's fun. But others are of course welcome to do it (this is a wiki, after all); and certainly you should at least know how. (It's not difficult, but it is involved. The instructions are here.) I dunno, like I've said to BazookaJoe, since I made up the format, I feel responsible for making sure all the gears mesh and turn like they're supposed to. — It's dot com 20:49, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
P.S. I took care of that item like you suggested.

[edit] Anonymous STUFFing

Okay, it's one thing to say that Anonnies can't VOTE in STUFF facts. It's another entirely to say that they can't CREATE facts; I'd taken it for granted that they could. --Jay o'Lantern (Haunt) 18:18, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)

The rules state: "You may only edit arguments while logged in." I would think that extends to creating items. If a user cares enough about an item, he can log in to create it. If an item truly is important, a logged-in user has probably already made it anyway. As for this particular item, it was such a stretch that it would have been deleted outright from the page. If you truly feel, however, that it needs to go through the process, resubmit it anew (but I've got a thousand dollars I would bet as to how the verdict will end up). — It's dot com 18:26, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Well, I don't disagree that it was a waste of space. I was more thinking about future reference—if someone actually adds a fact worth STUFFing. I suppose the only safeguards we had specified for unlogged users were votes and editing pre-existing arguments (it doesn't specifically say that unlogged users can't add facts or arguments) so I wanted clarification. --Jay o'Lantern (Haunt) 18:44, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I'll admit, I threw it out on a technicality. A technicality I would probably overlook if it had any merit at all. The last couple of days it seems like people are abusing the STUFF page, STUFFing the most trivial bits of nothing. I was trying to make an example of something that clearly deserved to get the ax, to try and nip this in the bud. — It's dot com 18:52, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Fair enough. For example, I completely deleted a false "Fact" yesterday (regarding The Cheat's bendable arms never appearing before outside of Cheat Commandos, in spite of the fact that they'd been seen in caper and virus), so imagine my surprise today to find that it had been re-added (albeit prematurely Verdicted). Was it the same guy? How could multiple people make that mistake? And, as a result of your previous comments, I modified the "Add a toon/Add an item/Revise an item" instructions; now, all three say that you must be logged in. --Jay o'Lantern (Haunt) 18:56, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)
"Early," not "premature." When several users find multiple instances that directly contradict an item, it is patently false and therefore not worth our time. — It's dot com 18:59, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Er, maybe my wording was a bit confusing, but I already knew that. I tend to refer to facts as "prematurely closed" when they're closed early no matter what the reason—even if I was the one who did it. --Jay o'Lantern (Haunt) 19:03, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Ah, I see. I took it in the sense of "before it should have been", but "before normal" works too. — It's dot com

[edit] STUFF instructions for newcomers

Hey there, as per our discussion last week, I plan to start working on some more detailed STUFF instructions soon to help newcomers know when to STUFF. I was wondering where these instructions should go: if they belong on the About page or if they should get their own page if if there's another place you think they belong. Thanks for your help. Heimstern Läufer 07:20, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

I would work them up on their own subpage, like "User:Heimstern Läufer/temp" or something. Then we can either copy and paste the content onto an existing page, or we can make the subpage into a page in its own right, depending on how much you come up with and whether it would and should fit on a page we already have or stand alone. — It's dot com 18:22, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Jawohl, Herr Hauptmann! Sounds good to me. I'll work on it soon. I'm hoping to keep them brief (I think it defeats the purpose if we overwhelm newbies with tons of information) but we'll see what I come up with. Heimstern Läufer 23:59, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Hey there, I wrote some guidelines. They're here. If you get a chance to check them out, I'd be glad to hear what you think. Especially let me know if anything about them is just not true at all. Talk atcha later. Heimstern Läufer 23:59, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I like those a lot. Now, where to put them... — It's dot com 00:39, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Glad you like them. They give just enough useful information without being overkill. But we do still need somewhere to put them. My thought is to add them to the About page for STUFF, alhtough I suppose they could instead get their own page with a link from the about page. Anyway, let me know what's best. Heimstern Läufer 18:13, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
I added them to the About page (and gave you credit), and I tweaked the wording on the index. What do you think? — It's dot com 02:13, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
Awexome. It looks great to me. Talk atcha later. Heimstern Läufer 02:31, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Admin maintenance

[edit] IP block issues

Yo, Mr. Dot Com, might I ask why you keep blocking my IP address every time, and also mark me as a "repeat offender?" I asked nicely for you and the other sysops to fix the rpoblem of this, because it's getting extremely frustrating for me when I want to edit something and I can't because somebody with a similar IP addy is trolling the site. This is now the fifth time that something like this has happened, and the second consecutive time that it's been you who has blocked me. I know you're just trying to do your job, but it isn't fair to people who follow all the wiki rules to be blocked just because of idiotic trolls who like to delete pages and add cuss words to them. --ISlayedTheKerrek 01:57, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)

I apologize for any inconvenience, ISlayedTheKerrek. I will be happy to investigate your situation further, but I need some more information. What was the IP address that was blocked? When did you notice the problem? How do you connect to the Internet? I have reviewed the block log, and any blocks I have imposed for any real length are for what I consider serious infractions. There have been only three occasions when I have used the comment "repeat offender," only one of which was recent. In addition, the IPs fitting this description have had zero legitimate edits. Unfortunately, since this seems to be a recurring problem, it may not have a simple solution. There are some real jerks out there whose mission in life seems to be to spoil the fun for everybody else. We appreciate your patience and understanding as we try to sort this out. — It's dot com 04:23, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
My IP address, although I don't know EXACTLY which one it is offhand, is in the 205 range. Note this as well...I am not editing from my computer at this exact moment, as you again have blocked me because of the reason I stated before. I hope you can find a way to fix it soon, because this is now time number 5. --ISlayedTheKerrek 18:28, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
KerekSlayerDude: You can check your IP by going to IP Chicken. Let us know the exact IP that is blocked and we'll see if we can get the block removed. Thanks. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 18:54, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
Well, my current IP address according to IP Chicken is 152.163.101.7, which has changed in the last couple of days from the 205.whatever it was before. Right now, I'm able to edit from my computer, so all is good for now. --ISlayedTheKerrek 14:51, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, Kerrek. If you have this problem in the future please let us know. Again, we're sorry about the inconvenience. We appreciate having you around and hate to see good productive members getting blocked an behalf of nasty trollers. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 16:18, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)
Actually, he slayed the Kerrek. ;) — It's dot com
ISlayedTheKerrek, if you ever find yourself blocked from editing again, please simply email a sysop or the Admins a short note explaining the situation. Make sure you include the IP address that appears on the blocked notice. It is easy for a sysop to unblock you, you just need to supply us with the proper information and remain calm. Thanks. -- Tom 16:34, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Block and unblock

Dot com, you blocked me then unblocked me.-24.24.226.13

Yes. You keep messing with HRWiki:WikiTroll, and it's hard to tell whether you're doing so maliciously. I suggest not doing that. The time that I blocked you, I thought you were blanking the page; then I realized those had recently been moved to an archive. — It's dot com 23:10, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Does the box have a troll in it? Or maybe a troll?

Are you sure about 24.151.40.232? Most of his/her edits seem inept, but not malicious. —AbdiViklas 04:45, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Oops. I was blocking every IP in sight. I'll fix it. Thanks. — It's dot com 04:47, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Please add to trusted group

Hey Dot com, put me in the trusted group on the Fanstuff wiki. I'd like to start reverting some vandalised pages. Thanks. — Kilroy / talk 00:20, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Done'd. — It's dot com

He can you uhm, make me trusted? Bassium! m OCE

Done. — It's dot com

Can I please be trusted too? Sorry to bother you. - talk Sahm ribs 05:23, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Oh and me? PLEASE? I beg of thee to give thy trusted status. – Pertmywert (Talk·Edits) 06:58, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Done. Although, I'm about to lift the general block anyway. Oh, and keep your pants on. For real. — It's dot com

[edit] About the trusted group

Exactly what things can a user in the trusted group do over a regular user? -- Super Sam 23:12, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Currently nothing. There is no longer any such thing as the trusted group. We created it specifically to allow access until such time as all the malicious usernames could be blocked. Once they were all blocked, regular access was restored and the trusted group was dissolved. If you look in the list of users, the "trusted" label still appears next to various users because of the way the software stores it, but at present there is no mechanism for me to either remove the label from those who already have it or to add it to those who don't. If we ever need to re-enable the group, only then will any of this be imprortant again. — It's dot com 23:30, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Can I figure out if I was in the "trusted group"? (I'm probably hoping a little too much here. :P) - KookykmanImage:kookysig.gif(t)(c)(r)

[edit] User accounts

Can sysops create new accounts during the block? My brother, Ty, wanted one. - KookykmanImage:kookysig.gif(t)(c)(r)

Yes, I can, but I'll need some information from you. Meet me or one of the other sysops in the IRC channel. If I don't respond right away, try sending me a PM. — It's dot com 03:08, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
I sent you a forum PM. - KookykmanImage:kookysig.gif(t)(c)(r)
Okay, he's all set: User:Ekho. He should change his password and fill in an email address. — It's dot com 18:07, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New Fanstuff User

This user joined the Fanstuff Wiki Forum and requests an account on the locked down Fanstuff Wiki. Do you think you could set him/her up? He/she wants the username GretaWinner1234. Thanks. - Joshua 03:05, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

You can do it. Just go to "Special:Userlogin" while already logged-in as a sysop, and it will give you an extra password field and a button to create a new user. You need to let GretaWinner1234 know via a PM (or some other non-public means) the temporary password that you set, and you should suggest that the password be changed as soon after his or her first login as possible. — It's dot com 03:20, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm curious, how come the Homestar Runner Fanstuff Wiki Runner Forum Forum is hosted outside the hrwiki domain and not like, under fanforum.hrwiki.org? --Stux 03:37, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
See this discussion. — It's dot com 03:51, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
That doesn't explain why it isn't official. I'm curious too. - Joshua 04:13, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Maybe not, but it's all the info I have. — It's dot com
My guess is, it wouldn't be official unless Joey and Tom had full control of it. I wonder who manages it now. --Stux 06:45, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Done with giving him/her an account. Thanks, It's dot com. - Joshua 04:12, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
No probalo. — It's dot com

[edit] Fanstuff E-mail

The fanstuff doesn't have e-mail features re-enabled - could you please re-enable them? - Super Sam 15:32, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Done. -- Tom 06:45, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Finding vandalism

Hey, just wanted to flag a sysop. other days was mildly vandalized. I fixed it but figured you might want to know about it. Feel free to delete this from your talk if you want. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 22:22, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Simple nuisance vandalism can just be fixed and then ignored. The best way to let us know about more serious vandalism is to post it on HRWiki:WikiTroll. Then we'll get it taken care of. Thanks for reverting that page. — It's dot com 22:41, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IP Checking

There's been a fair amount of debate about accounts that seem to be all created by H*bad. Since we lack any ability to check for IP addresses, would you be able to see if the following accounts share the same IP?: H*bad, H*bad1, Darth Homestar Runner, Darth Homestar runner, Guyforerunner, Godzillarunner, Homestarrunner101, Running along. Any info you could get would be much combobulated. - Super Sam 01:04, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

They're the same (except I'm not sure about Guyforerunner). See also this discussion. — It's dot com 01:41, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
What in the world. My friend created H*bad1 at my house. Thats why he has the same IP address as mine, I believe. He called me up and told me that you guys are like people who want to put salt in an open wound. Why you do this to him? I will keep on fighting this little thing about H*bad1. I explained all of this cwap at My dark side--H*bad 05:52, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Um... yeah. Okay. First of all, don't let people make accounts using your computer, and if you do, have them choose a different name from you. (That still doesn't explain all the other names, by the way.) But I don't really want to get into it here, as it has been discussed on other pages, like you point out. Super Sam simply asked me whether the IPs matched and I answered him. — It's dot com 06:02, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fanstuff Extensions

Can you please put the autocolumn and random Homsar quote extensions onto the Fanstuff? - Super Sam 12:41, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Done. — It's dot com 04:11, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stinkopuppet

Super Sam was going to ask you this, but he says he did not have enough time. There is a user by the name of Stinkobad1 on the Fansguff Wiki. He requests an IP address check to make sure there is not another feud, and another reason to hate H*Bad. ;) Thanks. — Seriously (Talk) 02:51, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Um, please? I know you're on, and it's urgent...:( — Seriously (Talk) 23:46, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
I think I'd like Super Sam to ask his own questions. If he doesn't have the time, then it must not be that urgent. — It's dot com 02:28, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Hooray! It's me! Anyway, could you please crosscheck the IP addresses of Stinkobad1, H*bad, and while you're at it, The thing? Many thanks. - Super Sam 03:35, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
None of those users coincide. — It's dot com 04:11, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 65.167.69.XX

Hey, I did a little investigation. This IP range is notorious. I found blocks on it back to November, and comments that it is probably WoW. I know we gotta be reluctant to block a range, but I wanted to call your attention to this particular case. Take a look at the Block Log for the last 6 months to see what I am saying. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 13:41, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Very belated follow-up: I took care of this later that day. — It's dot com 03:21, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Paranormal Idol

Could you check the IPs of Paranormal Idol and HomeTron V20 on the fanstuff wiki? I think they might be the same person. - BubTalk

Sorry, but a request for that info would have to come from a fanstuff sysop. — It's dot com 01:12, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Okay, could you please check the IPs of the following Fanstuff users: HomeTron V20, Paranormal Idol, Paranormal Idol2, Paranormal Idol3 and Ytmnd Boy. Here's the reason. (edited version of reasons written by Bub on HRFWiki:User talk:Joshua.)
HomeTron V20 was a player on an interactive game which Bub created. HomeTron apparently quit the wiki because his Fake Characters were getting deleted by Joshua (as per a different discussion). A couple of days later, a new user, Paranormal Idol joined the wiki. He then created two new accounts, Paranormal Idol2 and Paranormal Idol3, claiming that he lost the password to his original account. Paranormal Idol3 then joined the same interactive game. After playing it for a while and then dying (in the game), he left the wiki. A few minutes after this, Ytmnd Boy signed up and requested to be in Bub's interactive game using the same character as HomeTron V20. All of these users share the same style of grammar, spelling and the way they transcribe.
In my opinion, this seems like valid grounds for an IP check. - Super Sam 06:43, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Based on the IPs, they are the same user. — It's dot com 07:08, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. - Super Sam 07:22, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
A few minutes ago, I got the new messages flag, and an e-mail saying that my talk page had been created by you. Do you know why this has occurred? - Super Sam 07:24, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes. I edited and saved your page without making any changes in order to force the system to send you that message but without creating a new version of your page. I hoped you would then guess that I had replied to you here, which you did, so it worked. :) — It's dot com 07:29, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Permanent Edit Removal

I remember how the last time the Fanstuff got attacked by a troll who placed highly unappropriate images on pages, you permanently deleted those versions of the pages from the database. You may want to do that again with edits by the troll NKSCF. Most of the pages he put images on were deleted (not sure if you still want to delete them from the database), but there's one on Y2K's userpage that still remains. - Super Sam 08:52, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

You could just delete the page, and then restore all the edits except that one... it would still be in Special:Undelete, but you don't need admin powers to do it. --phlip TC 08:59, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] HRWiki Forum

I've tried to register on the forum two times, under NachoMan and NachoZ, and I never get the account activation email. Is it because I'm using an AOL email address or something else? -- NachoMan 19:59, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what the problem was, but I activated the NachoMan account. Cheers! — It's dot com 20:28, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks a bunch! -- NachoTalk 20:42, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Turkish subtitles

Hello, do you remember me? Or an IP starts with 85? Don't remember? Then, look at subtitles requests and choose Turkish(TR) from the navigation menu? Yeah, I did what you say, and it passed some time, but I was looking continually the page whether a reply comes before you reply. And, that's your answer: I'm Turkish, and so, I can read and write Turkish subtitles. I know English, of course, but not all Turks. (Or some of them are know at least). Anyway, I want Turkish subtitles add to the list, and my goal is that HR cartoons have loved by Turkish kids, adults, and everyone. Is this wrong? Say if it is. Anymore, I already tested a SB Email cartoon. Look if you want. Here comes. OK, I think it (my reply) is long enough. I talked you and if you want, you talk atcha later, too. Thanx. Homesturk 16:57, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Of course I remember you. Glad to see you created an account. — It's dot com 17:05, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
This message copied to and further reply at HRWiki talk:Subtitles#Turkish (TR)

OK, thanks, Dot Com! I'm subtitling the toons (only toon now) from now on. Even I wish to present my first subtitled cartoon to you. P.S:I'm working yet. Click me! That cartoon also can accessible from the my message, above. Homes Turk 13:50, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome! — It's dot com 16:12, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiTroll

Hey, It's dot com. Just letting you know that you don't have to add to WikiTroll if the user has already been blocked. Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 19:27, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Well, I started adding him, and then I got called away from my computer, and by the time I got back you had already blocked him. I did notice this, but since it's such a hassle to add somebody to the table (what with making a list of all their evil edits and whatnot) and since I had already gone to the trouble, I just hit "Save page" anyway. Plus, I figured if he did it again, there would already be a record there. (And yes, I know there's the blocked log.) So that's why. — It's dot com 19:45, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Oh, I see. Sorry to bug you then. :) Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 19:50, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)
No probalo. Besides, I like getting comments. — It's dot com 19:56, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Okay! Bother bother bother bother bother bother bother! [1] Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 20:25, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Whoa, weeeeird. Funny, though. I especially liked the part where they busted out their M-16s to dispatch You-Know-Who. At Barnes & Noble, you can reserve a place in line, which I did, and I'm in the first group, so I will be one of the first thirty to get a book tonight at midnight. My contribs may be way down for a couple of days. — It's dot com 21:17, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I'm getting mine tomorrow, via Amazon. And yes, I know weird links. Far too many weird links... ;) Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 21:22, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I'll miss you two while you are lost in that other realm of fantasy. Have fun reading, BazookaJoe
Hold down the fort for us, BazookaJoe. Actually, I know you will... You're, like, always here. You're doing an awesome job, man. (But seriously, don't forget to see what the sun looks like every now and then. ;) ) — It's dot com
I have been very bored this summer, and have had nothing to do but wiki. I'll be on a lot less once I start my job in a week or two. The Potter Puppet Pals are funny! —BazookaJoe 21:49, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)
shiny things!

Um hi, It's dot com, I would like to point you to the Store page where if you check out the history you will see that the user Hydro has been trolling the page constantly. I have not yet seen his name on the Troll Page. Also, I like linking, and shiny things! --Stux 14:08, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Hi Stux. If someone ever needs to be added to the troll list, then by all means do it. Don't even worry if you mess up the format... if you should encounter problems somebody will be along to fix it. I'll take a look at Hydro now. Thanks for bringing it to someone's (in this case, my) attention. — It's dot com 14:12, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)

My apologies for bugging you again. I think i'm trying to upgrade my status from being Mr. Fix minor things to being Mr. Pain-in-the-behind Wannabe. What am I talking about? Basically, fact checking. To what extent should we do fact checking. I was checking Matt Chapman's page history and noticed that the last change added the misc fact: "*Can be seen as an audience member in one episode of Whose Line Is It Anyway?" This is very general and my fingers are itching to revert it and leave a 'please provide evidence' note. But I haven't. Perhaps out of pity. Suggestions? (Do you have a fact-checking or fact adding set of guidelines even for admins?) --Stux 01:31, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Well, I hate to interrupt somebody else's conversation, but I checked this myself. If you look at Matt's IMBD page, it lists him as an uncredited audience member near the bottom. --DorianGray
I don't know about It's dot com cuz it's his message bored but I personally appreciate the interruption. Not to mention quick response! Wow, amazing, I didn't think they'd credit such minor things, but they did! Thanks DorianGray! (and thank you It's dot com for letting me use your Talk page!) --Stux 01:43, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The single deuce...not really

About Autobiography and the whole single deuce thing, you were right. I froze the frame and the way SB's holding his hand corresponds to his chin. Good call! —Smileyface11945

Thanks. Yeah, I guess Strong Bad's way more fond of double deuce action. — It's dot com 21:45, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)

[edit] DVDs

[edit] strongbad_email.exe vol. 4

Hey, how's your stuff for the DVD coming? Are you still working on Puppets on the Road? Oh, and are you doing Sample of Style Too? Because if not, I think I am going to take a stab at rewriting its transcript today. —BazookaJoe 13:35, 2 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I see that the Sample of Style Too main part and outtakes are both just about done. I didn't read the transcript closely... you say you're going to rewrite it? I was working on Puppets on the Road, but I was wiped out last night and didn't finish it. I'd still like to complete POTR, but if somebody beats me to it, I won't be upset. — It's dot com 14:38, 2 Aug 2005 (UTC)
I wrote Sample of Style Too's transcript using snippets of NYU Talk's transcript. There were many differences between the two videos (see Talk:Sample of Style Too). I would love it if you could get Puppets on the Road up. It's funny and popular with fans and I'm sure they would love to read it. I don't mean to rush you, though. —BazookaJoe 04:30, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Nah, I just kinda got slammed with going out of town and then I actually had to go in to my job and do real work. Sometimes, I can goof off here, but not today. And tonight, I was in a softball game. And we won the game. And so we went and got real fruit smoothies. (Really.) I figured at some point someone would just go ahead and take POTR from me if I didn't get a chance to finish it. I'm not even at my home computer (where my DVD is and where I've done all the DVD stuff), or I'd do it now. So to sum up, if somebody else does it instead because I dragged my feet, that's cool; but otherwise, I can do it by later tomorrow. If you should do it, just drop me a note here so I won't worry. — It's dot com 04:45, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)
I did finally have a chance to do this, in case anybody wondered how that story ended. — It's dot com

[edit] Everything Else vol. 1

Do you already have it? I usually get H*R merchandise quickly - in fact, FedEx's website predicts its delivery today. However, the local FedEx guy himself is horribly slow and I don't have it yet. >_> --Jay o'Lantern (Haunt) 19:34, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Oh yeah, man. I've got it. In fact, Homestar keeps telling me "Ooh, check me out; I'm quite a masterpiece. Now get back over there and choose a choice!" — It's dot com 19:37, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
Sigh. After being the first one here to get Disc 4, looks like I got pre-empted on this one. --Jay o'Lantern (Haunt) 19:38, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
So, alas, I probably won't have it until Christmas, since my mom will want to get it for me then. Oh, the sacrifices I make for my mother... Oh, wait, I shouldn't even be talking about sacrifice on my part in the same sentence as I talk about my mother! Heimstern Läufer 03:17, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Speculation or no

What was this for? It's not merely speculation; it's a likely reference. --195.92.67.69 16:52, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Really? When an item is phrased using words like "could be" and "whether she actually did is debatable," it sure sounds like speculation to me. And you're not considering the fact that Marzipan breaks up with Homestar 50% of the time on her character video. — It's dot com 16:59, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Gah. I hate this wiki. Well, maybe not wiki, more like you and BazookaJoe seemingly cutting every edit I make. In fact, I'm going to stop editing this thing and just watch the cartoons in peace. --195.92.67.69 17:02, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)
I'm sorry you feel that way. If you truly believe I or we are acting unilaterally, I will cheerfully STUFF the item(s) in question for you. — It's dot com 17:13, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Process

Hey, Dot com, it's The Smoking Monkey. As you seem both knowledgeable and up front about how things get done, I thought I'd come to you. Recently, I've been doing the whole recent change patrolling bit, and have come up with the following questions:

  • Do all edits done by anonymous users need to be reverted? I've encountered a few that are correct or beneficial.
  • Conversely, if a registered user makes a questionable edit (say, for example, adding a goof or remark that is open to debate), what would I do? I've reverted a couple, and I need to make sure this is within the rules.

Thanks for any input you might have.

Well, Smoking Monkey, anonymous users are more than welcome to contribute. I daresay everyone (with the exception of the handful of people who actually set up the wiki) started out as an anonymous user. They often have insight or experience that are invaluable to getting to the bottom of an article. The reason we keep such a close eye on people who aren't members is that it just happens that most of the edits that are redundant, obvious, or otherwise non-beneficial come from anonymous users. The vast majority of trolls are anonymous as well. So, to make a long story short, do not automatically revert anonymous edits. (Note: if we wanted, we could prevent anonymous editing with a simple setting; obviously, we have not chosen to do this.)
If a logged in user makes a bad edit, it can be reverted just like an anonymous edit. Logged-in users get a little special treatment, however. First of all, it's polite to list a reason in the edit summary instead of simply rolling back the page. Second, if an edit is borderline, strongly consider starting a discussion on the relevant talk page instead of simply removing another user's work.
I hope this helps. Don't hesitate to ask if you have further questions. — It's dot com 17:02, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Understood. I don't want to be overzealous in reverting things - the last thing I want to do is step on toes and hurt feelings. But my "common sense" might not be so "common" to everyone. Trying to be careful as I go. -TSM
I just happened upon this discussion and figured I drop a word or two. My general rule of thumb is this: revert bad edits, keep good ones. Rewrite bad wording (there's *A LOT* of it). Have fun, be polite, but be bold! It's pretty simple, really! -- tomstiff 17:06, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the input! -- THE SMOKING MONKEY 17:13, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)
That's an excellent way to put it, Tom (I've always assumed your name is Tom... your user page has never said anything other than "Hello world!"). I'll probably steal your rule of thumb and not give you credit, just so you know. ;) To it I would add one thing: if you ever have legitimate doubt about whether an anonymous edit is good or bad, take the action that leads to more content. That is, if someone adds something but you're not sure, then just leave it. But if an anonny deletes something (especially something big) that you think has merit, put it back.
There's always more than one logged-in user looking at these pages, so it all usually gets straightened out in the end. — It's dot com 17:19, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New Template

Thanks Dot Com, that color looks good. I'm just wondering about the centering. On the Email template (the one I modeled this one after), it's much larger, and fills the whole screen from side to side. This one doesn't, so on larger displays, such as mine, it's shifted to the left. Any idea how to center it? (And for the sizing, it's small on the Strong Bad Emails to save space. I don't think it'd be too bad to have medium font on this template, for easier reading and clicking). Thunderbird 04:53, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)
EDIT: I think the centering thing could be something to do with 'width="100%"' Thunderbird 04:55, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Er, I guess you haven't looked at the template again yet, because I already fixed the centering. All the other nav templates (SB email, answering machines, CD, DVD, etc.) use <small>, so I figured this one should, too. — It's dot com 05:04, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Hmmm... For some reason it still seems askew on my browser. Oh well, I don't care much. Like so many things on a wiki, I'm sure it'll somehow get fixed later, by someone else. And sorry about the sizing thing, I guess I'm wrong on that. In any case, I'm going to bed. Here's hoping the trolls do too. Thunderbird 05:08, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Amen to that. — It's dot com

[edit] Character screenames

Um, Mr. Dot com, sir.... I was just wondering if it was article-worthy to write about the AIM screenames of all the characters. Just a thought.... -- Alcnolien

Let's have a brainstorm. What are all the screen names used by the characters? Just curious. —BazookaJoe 01:26, 2 Sep 2005 (UTC)
I know of hooray4dolphins for Marzipan (although it's debateable that Strong Bad was telling the truth), cheatachu72 for The Cheat, and depressio111117 for Strong Sad. There's also gr8lookinggrrl from i she be. Although, in my opinion, these aren't really worthy of an article. -- mibluvr13dígame 01:30, 2 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps it could be noted in a specific spot on the character pages of those that are known, since we don't know them all. By the way, you don't have to call me sir. "Mr. Dot com" is fine. ;) — It's dot com 02:29, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Thank you, Mr. Dot com. I just felt it was noteworthy somewhere. --Alcnolien
I was kidding about the mister part, too. You can call me Dot com if you want. — It's dot com

[edit] Free Country USA

It's dot com, it's your friendly neighborhood Smoking Monkey again. I just wanted to comment on the Free Country, USA thing earlier today, because I've made you my unofficial HRWiki mentor and seek your advice from time to time on Wiki matters.

In any case, what caught my attention was an anonymous user dumped, say, 50% more info on the Free Country article. I've noticed over the weeks that 90% of anonymous edits tend to be speculation, stating the obvious, or just plain wrong. Let's say the other 9% are helpful typo, spelling and grammar corrections. It's that 1% that leads to doubt. This guy/gal radically expanded a decent article, but I couldn't tel whether the expansion was worthy or not. I know I was previously advised to err on the side of expanded content, but I've seen even registered users get slammed for adding little bits of info to articles. This guy/gal added a lot, and when I first saw it, I balked. It seemed like speculation, so I reverted.

Then Mr. Bojangles re-reverted. I looked at it a second time - this time I saw disconnected thoughts that added only confusion - so I reverted again.

Then you reverted my change, and I looked at it a third time. This time, I saw neither speculation nor confused thinking - only prose that needed refining.

I admit I've been in a bad mood recently, and have been, er, draconian in my enforcement of what I perceive is appropriate for the Wiki. I admit I was wrong reverting this article across the board.

Hopefully I made it up by actually adding to and trying to improve on the additions of the anonymous (and British) user - I got a little too caught up in making sure others play by the rules...

Faithfully patrolling the Wiki, THE SMOKING MONKEY 00:26, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Your characterization of anonymous edits is probably dead-on accurate (except when pages are first being created, which isn't that often, relatively speaking). If someone has something important to add, they usually take the step of registering first. Most of my edits were relatively minor until I registered. In fact, it was when I was trying to add something more substantial that I was encouraged to join.
I appreciate that you consider me something of a mentor, and I take seriously my responsibility to you and others I help. I carefully consider any advice I give, and it is always my hope that each user's experience here is improved by my input. This can't always be the case when someone disagrees with me, but in cases like that I try to be as diplomatic as possible. As far as anonymous users go, I try to incorporate any part of their contributions that I can—anything—so that they will feel important and be comfortable enough to finally become full contributing members.
In this specific case, you may notice that I didn't do a straight revert, but rather cleaned it up a bit before adding it back.
If there's anything else I can help you with, you know I will. Besides, we 28-year-olds have to stick together. — It's dot com 01:42, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
I see you're taking your critical, incisive eye to my runway pet project (Free Country, USA)- and it's about time. Of all the times I've proof-read, and internally debated the structure and the "facts" of the article, I knew that others would need to parse and improve on my own thoughts. And, speaking of my own thoughts, all I have to thank for my (irrational?) devotion to this article is some anonymous British kid I tried to censor.
In any case, I think most of it holds up well.
I really need to sleep,
THE SMOKING MONKEY 02:49, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Sleep well, Dave. Irrational devotion to articles, by the way, can strangely be a good thing, and is therefore completely welcome around here. — It's dot com 03:19, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)

(For more on specific parts of the above article, see Talk:Free Country, USA.)

[edit] WOW

Hey, Ben. I know you probably noticed, but we had a WOW-style vandal before (Homestar walker). But he...apologized? He seems a tad confused. — THE SMOKING MONKEY 18:01, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Hey, Dave. I did notice. In fact, I deleted all the bogus redirects I could find. I think I got them all. As for blocking him, I wasn't sure whether to do it. If blocking would lead to more vandalism but not blocking wouldn't, then I'm willing to leave well enough alone. I was actually seeking advice from Joey and/or Tom, but neither of them seems to be online right at the moment. Obviously, if Willy or whoever this gets so much as a toe out of line again, he'll get the indefinite block. What do you think? I haven't been able to get in touch with any of the other sysops, either, so he could yet be blocked by one of them and this discussion would be moot. — It's dot com 18:12, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)
'Tis rather curious. I can't help but feel we're being blackmailed by the devil. Thunderbird 21:15, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Hmmm...since it was my first WOW-battling incident, I was bit hot afterwards, especially when he came out and said "sorry" and then "if you try to block me, I'll just do it again." It all seemed typically sophmoric to me - clearly he was having fun moving the same four pages over and over and over again, but then he lost interest and indicated he wanted to contribute. Essentially, he was malicious, but only so long as it saved him from being bored.
Your point is well-taken, though: if we can't actually block him because of the AOL loop-hole, then I guess it shouldn't be a problem if he continues behaving like a normal user. I'm not big on holding grudges, and if Venusy and bkmlb (the other two users caught up in the battle against him) don't have a problem with him staying on, then I don't have a problem.
That is, until he gets bored again! THE SMOKING MONKEY 10:56, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC) (Incidentally, the idea of a smoking monkey on wheels is pretty funny in and of itself)
As long as he doesn't do it again, I don't have a problem. And you're right, the concept of a smoking monkey on wheels is pretty funny. --videlectrix.pngENUSY discussionitem_icon.gif user.gifmail_icon.gif, 12:12, 24 September 2005 (BST)
EDIT: I shouldn't have used MS Paint to do this in 5 minutes.
Dude, that's hilarious! I wonder what kind of mileage he gets? THE SMOKING MONKEY11:35, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)

[edit] How to become a sysop

I was wondering, how do you become a sysops? -lil stiny

I have actually written on this subject on several other pages. Below is a copy of this discussion. — It's dot com 18:19, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Hey AtHC, How do people become Administrators? I've been thinking about that... -Kinsey
I don't want to presume to speak for Aurora, but I've written at length about this very subject on this page, if that helps. — It's dot com 19:42, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Here is the relevant text from that page:
Becoming an admin, as they're also called, is a good goal to have, but it doesn't happen overnight. Basically, you start out at the bottom of the totem pole, and work your way up. Over time, people will begin to notice your edits; you'll want to make good ones. If you do, gradually a sense of trust will develop between you and the wiki community. In the meantime, fight trolls, add good fun facts, monitor pages for bad edits, help out with the maintenance of the site, learn the ins and outs of the software. Undertake a worthwhile project (but ... it's best to get approval before doing so). Then, sometime in the future, the current admins will open the floor for nominations for new sysops, at which time another user can throw your name in the ring. Then, we'll all vote on you. They probably won't nominate new admins for a while, and when they do, maybe you'll be nominated, maybe not. Either way, keep on keepin' on making good edits and building up that trust. It's just that simple!
I'm glad you posted that, It's dot com, because it's a good explanation! Definately monitor for edits, learn to recognize good and poor edits, and always be diplomatic in discussions. Undertaking worthwhile projects (with wiki-approval first) is a great way to contribute and be noticed. To all of this, I would add that you should think about why you want to become an administrator. If you want to be an administrator to have more power, that's the wrong reason. It's about responsibility, not power, and it sometimes involves doing unpleasant things. Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 19:46, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)

teehee, the entire time I was reading this I'm picturing It's dot com sitting at his compy/lappy dictating this message in the best strong bad impression he can make. The question was very similar to several of the sbemails and the answer was just as good except it didn't make fun of lil stiny (I'm not saying he should have, but that was the only difference) NFITC1

No, I wouldn't make fun here. I just have already thought long about this question and felt that the previous discussion (especially including the reply by Homestar Coder) covered the subject well. Thus, it was practical to copy and paste. :) — It's dot com 18:34, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Senor Cardgage Mortgage

I checked those two Fast Forwards for you. They were indeed factual. However, they still don't qualify as Fun Facts in my book. The "Fun" part is seriously lacking on those two, in my opinion. ACupOfCoffee 21:18, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Right. It wasn't that I thought that they were untrue, just that they didn't really qualify as references. Thanks for checking on that. — It's dot com 21:20, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Pasta Salad a go-go

Hey, Ben. Thanks for, um, clarifying the tone of my voice for the whole Pasta Salad talk Page boondoggle. It's easy for me to forget no one around here (short of you) really has any idea who I am. Life's kinda throwing me a curveball right now, and as an artist, I tend to get irrational about my work (even if it's three sentences about Gron Mad eating elbow macaroni). I wasn't trying to be a jerk. Anyway, thanks as always for the classic Dot com level-headedness. — THE SMOKING MONKEY 22:28, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Well, Dave, I just knew you wouldn't make an article—on whatever subject—without a positive reason, and certainly not to make a point. As far as I can tell, that's not your style. And I felt I needed to step up and say so, so I did. — It's dot com 22:36, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Reynold

Alright, I have to ask. As my first bold attempt at helping keep the peace in this particular Wiki, I remove a Wikipedia reference to pizza. Why is a link to such a common food necessary? Come back, chocolates!

Where is the harm in including it? The article is interesting, and you might be surprised how much pizza differs in other countries from the U.S. version. — It's dot com 16:52, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)
No harm per se, it was simply my motivation to prevent the building a precedent of Wiki-linking every common object, regardless of its history. But I digress. -Come back, chocolates!

[edit] Hyphen?!

(in regards to Freshley's) I know it's an apostrophe; I have no idea what I was thinking when I made the edit. Just so you know that I'm not completely stupid. :-) The reason I reverted the edit, though, was even though it's correct, the display of the link is really funky, and for readability, it probably needs to be without the apostrophe, correct or not. Spell4yr 20:19, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by really funky. I just looked at it again, and it looks normal to me. Either way, it's correct with the apostrophe, so it probably needs to be with it, funky or not. — It's dot com 23:22, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
At least for me, the external link box doesn't show up, unlike next to Mrs. Freshley's and the like, so there's several spaces between the word Shaw's and the text that follows it (such as Shaw's____and then text). But yeah, it does need it. That's why I had added it in the first place, but then I figured that it wasn't in the word because the link looked weird, so I took it back out. So it turns out that an edit of mine that I reverted was reverted back. Or something. My head hurts. — Spell4yr 05:07, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding the Article of the Day

Thanks for the image revert. I probably should have discussed the choice of image earlier, but hindsight is 50/50. I didn't exactly have my heart set on any one image, since the one I came up with originally was a different one altogether. I could see an edit war happening with this feature, what with like 50 images to choose from. I just wanted something easy to make out and understandable, that embodied the early Fanstuff, particularly drawings (since they don't usually feature those anymore). But the Matrix parody is a fun, clever, simple pic, and one that TBC also meantioned in the FAQ. Thanks for keeping watch. ;) Thunderbird 03:15, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

I've protected images on the main page before. Are we also supposed to protect featured articles as well? — It's dot com 03:31, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
If it's changed again, we could just protect the article. I don't think usually, since alot of users link stuff, fix wording, ect. Perhaps something similar in the future might warrent a featured article overview protect. Thunderbird 03:47, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 2D Boombox

I just rewatch Sibbie. It looks like the radio gets thinner which would make it a goof as it loses normal aspect ratio but I wouldn't care so much if this doesn't make it. I R F 18:34, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Oz

Look, it's clear you don't support the Oz reference. Let me at least put it where I intended it to be, and quit moving it. It's about to die anyway, let it rest where it belongs. There is no need to reply. B 04:32, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Too late. It's dead. — It's dot com 04:33, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
Well great, and now because of your tampering with it, we have an archive that carries your agenda rather than the question being discussed. Hope you enjoyed the power trip. B 04:43, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
Oh, spare me the theatrics. As explained on the page, the throwaway line in different down didn't even compare to the visuals New Boots provided. If anything, that's where the reference would be. But, like I said there, it's not a reference in the first place. — It's dot com 04:50, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
Speaking of theatrics, now you've blanked your page? I don't see why you would leave just because we disagree on which toon this item doesn't refer to. — It's dot com 04:55, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
Okay, play nice, guys. It's understandable you'd be frustrated, B, since I agree that different town should have been the only toon in discussion. But on the other hand, it stood even less chance than New Boots, so the change did you a favor of sorts. But either way, I find it's best to separate yourself from pages/edits you create; if they wind up going down, it's not a personal thing. (I say that, but yeah, I still find it hard.) —AbdiViklas 04:57, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
While that item was open, I thought about trying to tie the two pages in together, but after the voting got going, I realized it wasn't worth the effort. I maintain that if the reference were true, both toons would be independent references to the Oz episode, and New Boots—not different town—would have the strongest connection to it. Therefore, B, I resent your saying that I was going on a power trip, since I sincerely believe my actions to be in line with what was best for the wiki. Those who know me well know that I take great pains to avoid the mere hint of such a so-called trip. I do apologize, however, if my actions seemed in haste to you. That was not my intention. — It's dot com 05:18, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
In the interest of fairness to all points of view, I have amended the page with a link to both toons, and I will be including it in the main archive under both names and on both talk pages. I hope this compromise is satisfactory. — It's dot com 05:47, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
The issue is that I have decided that I have better things to do than to remain attached to the seedy underbelly that is the wiki disussion. I will continue to visit, as the site is really cool. I won't make contributions unless no one else can provide what I have to offer, or if there is a blatant error on a page. I may continue to play on the sound effects page. Other than that, I have nothing else to add.
The amendment is acceptable. The beef was not with what was the better referene. My beef was that it kept getting moved and altered. And without comment. The whole event was a display in discourteousness (on both parts, mine especially). I don't do much of this, and I worked hard trying to get that right. I appreciate the re-consideration.
end of line. B 05:55, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Alphabetical order

Here's a puzzle for anybody concerned. It's about Inside Jokes and Running Gags. Try going to each page, and clicking on the 'List of ______'. It seems that the article Inside Jokes, which is also in the category, is listed under 'L', as it should be. However, Running Gags is listed under '*'. Anybody know why this would happen? Is this happening to everyone? I dunno, it just seems kinda weird. Thunderbird 05:39, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Someone put an asterisk in the link so that it would be listed first in the list. I made the other one match (although the dollar sign is coming before the asterisk, which probably should be fixed, but I'm not gonna do it now). — It's dot com 05:45, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
I won't do anything then -- I was about to make a similar change just now. I was actually thinking of doing it the other way: using the alphabet entries, but of course this makes more sense. Anyway, here's Dot com's change so you can see what he did. --Stux 05:48, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Huh. Go figure. You learn something new every day, I guess (although that little nugget is pretty useless). Thanks. Thunderbird 06:01, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Oh, of course. Fixing $11.01 turned out to be as easy as fixing Inside Jokes. Good work, Elad. — It's dot com 06:04, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks. Just as I was going to reply my computer froze. Now I'm replying from school (See my IRC nick :P). Elcool (talk)(contribs) 06:20, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Absent minded does not begin to describe it...

Oh crap! Did I just do that!? Man I should know better! I was looking at it and went back and forth through things and at some point I forgot I was looking at the archives... grr! I was thinking about reverting both votes, but um, but I guess you left them both to clarify things? I'm starting to think (at least due to my absent-mindedness) that having different background colors for archived stuff would be a good idea to provide a visual cue as to what's archived and what's not. But I see they use the same templates and there's no way that I can think of right away to um... differentiate things without having to retype things. Maybe a big red border to indicate these are the archives? I should be doing my homework right now. --Stux 20:07, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

I left your vote and added one of my own, because it solved a technicality: namely, that version of the item was declined even though it showed more accept votes. By evening out the vote, there are no longer two revisions with the accepts in the lead. What really happened is that those two items were merged and the revision that was winning overwhelmingly was accepted. That whole mess was kind of confusing. As for the archive, I considered making it different colors, and then decided it wasn't worth the trouble. In the five months since we've been using the new format, we've only had two, maybe three, instances of people voting in the archives. Usually they see the big gold banner at the top that says not to vote there. ;) — It's dot com 20:31, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
Gee. Rub it in why don't ya? ;) --Stux 01:18, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Copyrighted Images

Well, now that we're getting rid of all those images from the pages, they should be deleted, yes? Can you do that yourself, or should I find 'em all and put a {{delete|removed for copyright reasons}} tag on all of them for you? I ask coz certainly they don't need the tag to be deleted, but it might help you (or any other sysop) find them all in a jiffy. --DorianGray

Two things: is it possible that there might be some caveat of fair use for these images? I mean these pictures have been displayed at the H*R site and we have had a habit of displaying anything and everything from the site. And nevermind on the second thing. Also I missed the discussion :( where did it happen? Oh, I found it. I guess i'm just regurgitating what was said in the discussion. It's just so boring without the pictures... --Stux 05:47, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Boring, perhaps, but that's what the official site is for. Why don't you mark them for deletion, DorianGray (or whoever wants to help). I won't delete them myself. Rather, I'll let another sysop do that. That way, my actions will have been ratified by the community instead of being unilateral. Make sure none of the images are being used as a representative example (which is okay) before you mark them. Thanks. — It's dot com 05:49, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Well, just in case you didn't see, I marked 'em all. It was kinda fun, actually. Glad to help out (especially when I was gypped out of a couple other projects I promised to you that I'd do). Call me when you need it done again. --DorianGray

[edit] Opinion

I'd like some input from others for the road to take with this, since it's a pretty big decision. Thanks. Thunderbird 23:43, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome templates

Hey there Ben. I'm just wondering why you edited a bunch of welcome templates like this. Homestramy20|Talk 00:15, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

The instructions state that the code should be substituted, not linked as a template. When it's linked as a template, it causes problems (see Bkmlb's template for an example). Several users (including him) need to fix their personal welcome templates so that they aren't linked. — It's dot com 00:22, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, I just read over this. Got it now. Homestramy20|Talk 00:25, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] These Sad Hopeful Times

It is a time of desolation, chaos, and uncertaity. Ya it is because of freakin' no new user regestraition thing!!! Do you know when this is over!?!? Thouse people down it the fanstuff wiki seriously need some people with big imaginations! Like me and want a fanstuff acount so if you have any way to get one or when this will be over tell me on my talk page. hr.png NBBB(Talk · Contributions) 21:17, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

We appreciate your continued patience as we enhance our security. We have a plan in place to restore anonymous editing, which we hope to implement very soon. — It's dot com 21:32, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Will this restoration you plan on doing soon just allow annony edits or will it also allow new user registration as well? - Joshua 00:29, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
The whole shebang. — It's dot com 00:48, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Awww, I liked it

I thought "templage" was cool. Definitely an above-average coinage. — Bill 20:57, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

It's funny: That thought actually went through my head as I fixed it. What's even cooler are these sorely needed disambig templates. Good work, my friend! :) — It's dot com 21:01, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Oops -- it looks like your category work is somehow breaking all the disambig templates. — Bill 02:12, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Found the problem -- there can't be any carriage returns in any templates that are followed by another template in the same paragraph. Just change all the returns to spaces and it seems to work. — Bill 02:18, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Just a question sort of on this subject. Won't putting the template in the category also put every article with the template in that category? I always thought we put category tags in the talk pages of templates. —Zelinda 02:27, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Aha! We can now put the category on the template itself because there a new feature called "noinclude". Anything between those tags will only be on the page itself, not any page where the template is placed. There's also "includeonly", which is the reverse of the first. — It's dot com 02:29, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
Oh, thanks for clearing that up. I wonder why I didn't notice those tags on the template page before... —Zelinda 02:38, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
For an example of both on the same template, see {{disambig}}. — It's dot com 02:40, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
Yay! We did something on the Fanstuff before the Knowledge Base! (That was a really pointless message. I just felt like saying it because it happens so rarely. :P) -- Super Sam 05:12, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
Erm, I can't tell whether that's referring to something in this thread or whether it's unrelated. — It's dot com
I will now proceed to whack myself in the head for mixing up the disambig and tobedeleted templates. So... just ignore my previous post. You get the quickest reply award. Ding. {runs away} -- Super Sam 05:21, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Reminder

Did you ever write yourself that note you mentioned here? — User:ACupOfCoffee@ @ 05:41, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

I did leave myself a note, and I haven't forgotten about it. Tom experimented with it some, and his conclusion was that we need to wait for MediaWiki version 1.6. — It's dot com 05:44, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Oh, gotcha. — User:ACupOfCoffee@ @ 21:02, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Beating me to it

Hey Dot Com! Happy New year! I just found it funny that you beat me to a change I was about to do a bit ago. Granted, it would've taken me forever to get to the page to do it. The minute I hit the edit button there it was! As if someone had read my mind! :) --Stux 16:16, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

 ;) — It's dot com

[edit] sig help

Hello It's dot com. I believe you are a sysop and could help me with this problem. Can my signature have Easter Eggs in it? Here it is: Bluebry. Look at the dashes and the space between muffin and talk. Please get back to me. (Preferably on my talk page, so I'll know the exact moment) Bluebry muffin 23:40, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, there's nothing specifically against it, as long as your name points to your user page, although I would find it quite annoying to think I was clicking on one link only to realize it was for something else, so I suppose you could call it poor form. Just my opinion. — It's dot com 00:03, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. And um, would this qualify under personal pages? I don't want to put it on the wiki, but still. Bluebry muffin 00:22, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Well, I don't see a problem with it, since it pertains to the project. (Just curious, though: Why do you need a separate Chairscoot page?) — It's dot com 00:32, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] That image

Just so you know, the reason I restored that image for "It's like it was meant to be" is just because Homestar Coder and Abdi both expressed their support for it and I felt that the person who removed it was acting rather unilaterally. I don't mind its removal as much if there's actually someone else who agrees about removing it, though. Anyway, keep on tranglin'. Heimstern Läufer 06:17, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and Thunderbird has added a different image. Maybe this one will work well? Heimstern Läufer 06:38, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I don't have a super-strong opinion that page, but the first image just didn't seem to fit, in my opinion. I did have an idea, though (the Wagon Fulla Pancakes). — It's dot com 07:18, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I'd say the same about not having a super-strong opinion; I just wanted to see things done fairly. (I try not to be too committed to my own ideas around the wiki. I find it only leads to disappointment when your edit gets reverted or your Fun Fact gets crushingly declined in STUFF. Not to mention you get along in the community better if you just go with the flow and be ready to get REVERT'd a few times, eh?) And yeah, I saw your new idea, and I think it's hilarious. "Rondelman, you crack me up! Crack! Me! Up! That's why you're my doge!" Anydangway, talk atcha later! Heimstern Läufer 07:30, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I added a link to the article cuz i wasn't sure at first which article you were talking about. I definitely like the new pic! --Stux 14:21, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What did you do

I would just like to make a counterpoint to hating guestbooks, even though the discussion is over. Have you ever thoguht how much sigs should be deleted? You must have, because if you are going to delete guestbooks like you did, the exact same reasons apply to sigs. People working on their sigs clutters up the recent changes, I know because I do it all the time. Sigs are not contributing to the wiki, just like you insist guestbooks don't. And finally, They give no proof that someone ever read your userpage, something that by the way is something that people either do or don't but that shouldn't matter to anyone else. I just think that What you and the admins did was entirely opinionated. Seriously (Talk) 22:45, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

No proof, eh? Well, I guess that someone could read a user page in a matter of seconds and then promptly sign a guestbook. Not all sigs clog recent changes, just yours. Sigs are a means of identifying a user, and thus serve a purpose. I am not meaning to reply for It's dot com, but I just wanted to say this. Rogue Leader / (my talk) 22:58, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Also, I bet a lot of sig flooding could be stopped if people just used "Show Preview". --DorianGray
Sigs exist anyway; you edit them in your user preferences (which does not show up on Recentchanges). The custom, however, is to create a User/sig template and use that as your sig. The User/sig versions are used because:
  1. They're easier to edit.
  2. If you edit one, all of your signatures change. If you edit the sig in your preferences, only future signatures change.
What's more, custom sigs of any sort allow links to your Talk or Contributions page, and make it easier to tell who's who (if you see a light blue sig with a green "Talk" area, it's probably me. If you see a gold-colored sig with symbols on both sides, it's likely Thunderbird. etc.) I'd take that over not being able to tell if I've previously read a user page. --Jay o'Lantern (Haunt) 23:29, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
And, by the way, it was not the admins' decision to remove them; they may have started the voting, but everyone with a user name could vote. I abstained voting entirely because I don't really care. --Jay o'Lantern (Haunt) 23:32, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Got it. Reluctantly. Seriously (Talk) 00:16, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry

Sorry about re-making those User_talk:Drwho? pages. I wuz trying to mark them delete but you already deleted them. TheThin 23:47, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

That's okay. Just remember to wait a couple of minutes between postings if you think that might be happening. :) — It's dot com 03:35, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Babel

I understand why you think that the Babel towers will be better with the source code rather than the templates, but I really think that templates will make it a lot easier to use and more user friendly. I understand that there would be a lot, but noinclude tags could be used to keep track of them. Source code is fine, but do you think that I could at least try with Templates, and if it gets too confusing switch back to source code? -AtionSong 00:23, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I think we should try with the source code first. It's not too hard to get the hang of. (Besides, it's just copy and paste for most people. ;) ) I don't have a problem with a generic template, but we don't need to create a whole slew of them for a non-mainspace thing such as this. Plus, this way, people won't be limited by just the ones in the templates (although we do ask that they be Homestar Runner (or wiki) related). — It's dot com 00:31, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recap

Can I get a recap (no need to be brief, I have time) of the things that have happened here since the start of December? - KookykmanImage:kookysig.gif(t)(c)(r)

See Talk:Main Page → RecapIt's dot com 23:36, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Idea and it's potential

Hi. Nikolce Kocovski sent me something on my talk page. It's the newest headline, I think you should check it out. I want to see if you think either his idea or mine would be of any potential. Thanks. Seriously (Talk) 23:32, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Paradoxes

So which came first? The chicken, or the egg? ref:[2] --Stux 20:21, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure ours was modeled after this. — It's dot com 20:25, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
I hate it when we're not original. :(. Seriously (Talk) 20:26, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Ahhhh .... hence the similarities. I *now* remember seeing that before a long long time ago, once you showed it to me, even though it looks exactly like the other one... :) --Stux 22:20, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Cool! Where did you find this one? --Stux 06:45, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

I wrote it myself. See the fourth userbox on my user page. :) — It's dot com 06:49, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Autocolumn

Btw, I wanted to say excellent work on the autocolunm feature. I was looking at the Strong Bad Email tables yesterday, thinking an autocolumn thing would be a nice feature, and lo and behold not two hours later it had been converted. Nice work. (I suppose for colunms such as the ones on my userpage though, it doesn't have any useful application, correct?) Thunderbird 14:25, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

I tried to use it for the ones in my page, but it just screwed things up. Although I did put it on The Field and Strong Badia and Has Matt? used it on Homestar Talker. Elcool (talk)(contribs) 14:47, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! Yeah, when the columns are independent lists, they still have to be done the regular way. The autocolumns are for when you have one long list that just needs to be split up. — It's dot com 16:59, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Very nice script, It's dot com. No more tiring counts of items-per-column to make sure each one is equal. — Lapper (talk) 22:23, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Wait, what was the difference? I don't see anything new...at least I don't think...Seriously (Talk) 00:52, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Flashforward

I'm still at the conference, it was really great. IRC doesn't work on the terminals, but suffice it to say, I was here, got autographs, (not many questions) and it was really great. I'll try and get a writeup on Wednesday evening. --TBird

That was not Tbird. Look [here]. The editor's IP starts with a 6. Bluebry 01:43, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Thunderbird is not at home, so the IP address would be different. It could still be him, but I would like him to log in if possible. If he can't log in at the convention, he'll figure something out or log in when he gets home later tonight. — It's dot com 03:37, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Too late. His IP's been blocked. He'll log in when he needs to, but I have one question: If he was TBird, why did he sign TBird instead of his IP (accidentally typed ~~~~ without knowing he wasn't logged in) or with his sig (or siggie, I guess)? It doesn't seem right. I mean, if he can edit annonymously, he can edit logged on, and I think the first thing he'll ask if he can't log in is why he can't. Plus, he would know that an IP editing as a user would most likely be reverted. We could unblock the IP and see if TBird can log on now, I guess. Wouldn't hurt, but I still think it wasn't him. I dunno. Oh, also, if it was him, sorry, just don't want anybody impersonating you. Bluebry 03:50, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
We didn't block the IP. There are several reasons why he might not have been able to log in (if the computer he was using didn't accept cookies, for example). I think the edits by the IP match TBird's style, but I'm being cautious for now. I'm patient; if I have to I can wait for him to get home to confirm. — It's dot com 04:01, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Ye of little faith :-P You didn't recognize my unique writing style? I just didn't really feel like logging in for one or two edits. I probably should have, but meh. In any case, all I said was true, and more. I left a message on the IRC with Phlip, but it should still be there if you scroll up, to see a brief summary of the event. I'll get a writeup started tomorrow night. For now, I've gotta be up in five and a half hours for work, so I'm going to bed. EDIT: Oh, and one thing I forgot to mention on IRC. Let's just say I'll be kicking myself for months for not bringing my DS to Flashforward... Thunderbird 09:26, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
I thought it was you (see above where I say it sounds like your style), but the info was too good, so I thought it was best to wait for confirmation. I guess you'll log in from now on. :-P Actually, the only reason I had any question was because the IP you were using came up as being based in Chicago, which was pretty weird. I admit it would have been quite unlikely for someone to be imitating you, but we've been burned before. Anyways, great jaerb!!! Many combolations on your successful mission!! — It's dot com 15:21, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blocking durations

As a senior sysop and an admin here, if we are being trolled by someone, for how long he or she should be blocked. I know that known trolls like NSMC, Dr. Who and others are blocked forever, but what about small calibar trolls? Elcool (talk)(contribs) 18:53, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

It's pretty much a judgment call in almost all cases. For IP addresses, 1 to 3 days, depending on the severity of the vandalism. For really bad stuff, a week or so. If a vandal is obviously changing IPs within a narrow range, blocking the range X.X.X.0/24 (or 23) usually works. Users who make useful contributions should be reasoned with first if possible, not blocked. Accounts created for no purpose other than to vandalize should be blocked infinitely. Hope that helps! — It's dot com 19:13, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Thank you very much. It sure will help! Elcool (talk)(contribs) 19:44, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New sysops

Was there a sysop nomination? If so, I'm surprised that Lapper wasn't one. — Seriously (Talk) 22:34, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Anyone who had made any edit since around the beginning of February was considered. Of the ones we took, they were each chosen not only because they are deserving but also to fill certain niches. As we say, we will add new sysops as our circumstances warrant, and this time circumstances warranted the number and specific users that we took. I can name a half dozen other users who will someday make excellent sysops, and anyone who was not chosen this time should not read into it negatively in any way. — It's dot com 22:58, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
When I posted the above, I couldn't say what I can say now: We were still considering some people, and some people simply don't check their email often enough! (Or they don't make their primary email available to the wiki, which is pretty much the same thing.) — It's dot com 05:24, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Hey, It's dot com, I see you having a lot of new sysops. Does that mean there won't be any new sysops for a while? --Dacheatbot · Communicate 05:29, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I believe the seven new sysops that we have just inducted are it for a while. We've always got our eyes open, though. Remember also that all users can be important users. I did some of my best stuff (including STUFF) before I was promoted. (It's kinda funny too... what a lot of people don't realize is that sysop = more headaches.) — It's dot com 05:48, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
So like how long? Because I signed on on Feb. 24th. --Dacheatbot · Communicate 05:51, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
It would be impossible to guess at this time, as there are just too many factors that go into it. — It's dot com 06:19, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I missed something - is there a page that lists the new sysops? — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 22:14, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Special:Listusers/sysop or HRWiki:A History#Later additions. — Lapper (talk) 22:16, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Gotcha, thanks. — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 22:19, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User groups

I have a question: I know what a sysop does, and I know what a beaurucrat does, but what do you get to do as a developer that nobody else can? I'm just wondering what it means it have the promotion. Thanks. — Seriously (Talk) 21:46, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

For those of you following along at home, I was technically made a bureaucrat and a developer on the same day. The only reason I wasn't added to the developer group in the wiki software is because there's a subtle difference between being a developer and being in the developer group. At the time I was made a developer, the wiki developer group was inactive. Since then, we reenabled it, and when we did, I was put in the group, even though for practical purposes I was already in it. Make sense? Okay, now that we have that out of the way: Bureaucrats can assign and unassign users to groups (usually to make sysops), and can also rename users. People in the developer group can lock and unlock the database. That originally was the only function available, but since then I have extended it somewhat using my developer abilities. And here's the distinction: a developer has direct access to the server and database. They can see server logs, view raw database data, and modify system software (to improve upon it). — It's dot com 22:24, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
And is there anything special about Joey Day's "proprietor" group? --DorianGray
No, it was created for purely narcissistic purposes (Joey's words, not mine). -- Tom 22:42, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
This is true. There is nothing special about the proprietor user group. I'm not usually one to be so narcissistic, but I thought it made some sense, and I did it mostly because I could. We've never been able to create custom user groups before MediaWiki 1.5, or I might've created a proprietor group a long time ago. Actually, in a way this is the opposite of narcissistic, as it allows for the possibility of others having proprietorship at some time in the future, and adds a layer of abstraction between myself and the title of proprietor. In the past, we've always linked directly to my user page in places where we mention the proprietor, but we should change all those places to link to the proprietor list. I'll get right on that. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 23:26, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MediaWiki Extensions

Cool, two headings in a row. Alrighty, I have two things to talk about. One - would you be able to post your source code for the extensions you wrote somewhere, such as here? Two - do you know how to add a tab from within an extension? I figured out how to do it by editing SkinTemplate.php, but is there any way to have the same effect through an extension? (I'm trying to add a purge tab next to watch/unwatch). - Super Sam 10:22, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I do plan to publish the extensions I have written. They need a bit of polishing, standardizing, and commenting before I would post them in a public place, however. As for the tab thing, I'm guessing you want more of an add-on file rather than a patch in the original file? I'm not currently familiar enough with how the tabs are generated to be able to give you a good answer to that one, but I would be surprised if it could be done with a standalone extension. — It's dot com 10:37, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Alrighty, thanks. - Super Sam 11:42, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Here's a little way to add a purge button using your monobook.js that I came up with and Dot com fixed to actually work properly:
//Add purge cache button
 function addPurgeButton()
 {
     var href = document.location.href;
     {    
         var historyHref = document.getElementById( "ca-history" ).firstChild.href;
         var div = document.getElementById( "p-cactions" );
         var ul = div.getElementsByTagName( "ul" )[0];
         var newLi = document.createElement( "li" );
         var newA = document.createElement( "a" );
         newA.setAttribute( "href" , historyHref.replace( "=history" , "=purge" ) );
         var text = document.createTextNode( "Purge" );
         newA.appendChild( text );
         newLi.appendChild( newA );
         ul.appendChild( newLi );
     }
 }
if ( window.addEventListener ) window.addEventListener( "load" , addPurgeButton , false );
else if ( window.attachEvent ) window.attachEvent( "onload", addPurgeButton );
Let us know how that works. -- Tom 19:04, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Captcha on move page

I'd like to ask you a question, and if it's been asked before, I'm very sorry. I'd just like to ask what the purpose of applying a CAPTCHA to the Move Page over on the Fanstuff Wiki is. --Thatkidsam 23:49, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

It's to prevent a bot from being able to move pages as vandalism, and to discourage human vandals from doing the same. — It's dot com 23:53, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
If that's the case, why isn't it the same here? If I recall correctly (which is unlikely), this knowledge base has had more page-move vandalism than the Fanstuff. --Thatkidsam 00:01, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Er... It is the same here. — It's dot com 00:05, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Oh. I must be out of date then. Never mind. --Thatkidsam 00:14, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Actually, it's not. Well, at least, it's not for me with my almighty sysoply privilages. Is it like that for ordinary users? --Jay o'Lantern (Haunt) 03:20, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, it is. I had to use it until a couple weeks ago when I was sysopped. Heimstern Läufer 03:26, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Oh. Huh. I didn't even realize. That puts WoW in a whole new light of non-life. --Jay o'Lantern (Haunt) 03:27, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Grizzly Chomps

Hi It's dot com,

I had a question, and I'm not sure where else to put it. Can you explain why you didn't you think my "Grizzly chomps" fun fact in the Candy Product was a good one? I may be biased, but I think it applies pretty well. TBC have been known to reference old and obscure pop-culture items in the past, and I can't think of any other "pre-bitten" candy product sold in stores. I'd like to think they had this product in mind when they made the toon. You can even Google for it and read up on it.

Anyhow, I just wanted to know what my options were for debating this fact. Is this is something I could put in STUFF for debate? And if so, how?

The submission was:

  • The "built-in bite" shape of SBLOUNSKCHED! may refer to Grizzly Chomps, a Hostess-brand treat introduced in 1992. The package included two chocolate cupcakes with a bite-mark shape cut out of them, and the package bore a cartoon bear saying, "I start 'em, you finish 'em."
I removed it because the Grizzly Chomps are so old and obscure that any similarity to SBLOUNSKCHED is likely just a coincidence. None of the secondary details match, especially the reason for the bite. In the case of Grizzly Chomps, the bear helps you eat it for some reason, but Strong Bad calls the bite in his candy a security measure to deter others from eating it. I think that TBC independently thought it was funny to have a bite missing from the candy, and to suggest otherwise is too much speculation for my taste.
    That said, I am more than willing to help you set up a STUFF item. The relevant instructions are at HRWiki:STUFF/Newfact. You need to start at "2. The STUFF subpage". Hope that helps! — It's dot com 17:37, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
I went ahead and STUFF'd it for you. You can have the next one. :) — It's dot com 17:48, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! I appreciate that. Compdude

[edit] Dangeresque change

(First off I'm new here so I don't know if I'm doing this right. Just so you know)

I'm the guy that changed the Dangeresque character page to note that dangeresque's glasses somehow stay on his head despite his total lack of ears. You changed it back, saying "(that's true, but it's not really very notable)"

Not notable? This is homestarwiki! You've got an entire page on the battle of strongbadia, despite the fact that it only applies to one email. And allow me to quote some other character pages...

Homestar: "Though he lacks a visible pair of arms, he is still able to function as though he has them, being able to carry and throw things and even type proficiently. It's generally accepted that either he does have arms, but for reasons that are never explained, they are invisible, or that he has limited telekinetic powers. "

Bubs: "His facial configuration is puzzling; in Pumpkin Carve-nival, he appears to have a safety pin stuck through his face above an internal ear."

Marsipan: "Like Homestar, Marzipan has no visible arms, though she is able to interact with the world as though she did, being able to pick up and move objects, and even play a guitar. It is generally accepted that either her arms are invisible, or that she has limited telekinetic powers."

Strong Bad:"He has boxing gloves for hands (that always have square window reflections on them, no matter where he is), and a lucha libre mask for a head [...] Strong Bad may also have a Homestar-like telekinesis"

Um...so yeah. I'm not mad or anything. I just wanted to point out that dangeresque's floating glasses can probably be considered significant if all this other stuff is on the site. (Hey, you could even tie it in with Strong Bad's rumored telekinesis, right?)

In conclusion, sorry this comment was so long. I guess I'll check back on this page later to see if you offer a counter-argument. Thanks for reading!

First of all, let me say thank you for taking the time to write such a lengthy comment. Why not take a second and create an account? I agree with you that Dangeresque's glasses do not seem to have anything supporting them (although I suppose one could argue that they are held to his face by tension or even glue). My main problem with noting it on the Dangeresque page is that it really breaks up the flow of that sentence (which is based largely on the Dangeresque theme). In addition, the information isn't really that central to the character; it's more like TBC just worked in the glasses as best they could given the features of Strong Bad's head. I'm not suggesting that we not note the information anywhere. Perhaps you could put it in the list of references to other apparently invisible body parts. Again, thanks for your note, and welcome to the wiki! — It's dot com 03:07, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Just a little hello

Hey there, It's dot com. Homsarroks here. I just wanted to drop by and say hey and that you're cool.

Image:Homsar-in-motion.gifhr.pngΨHomsarΨroksΨImage:kookysig.gifImage:Cheat-shrug-tiny.gif 13:32, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Just out of curiosity, why did you revert my edits on the HR Wiki article on wikipedia? I tried to include the most important users on the wiki there (e.g. you, Tom, BazookaJoe, Some H*R Themed Username, etc.) and put accurate descriptions on what you did there. I'm not mad or anything, just a bit confused. Get back to me when you can.

P.P.S. I left this message on your account on Wikipedia first, but I decided to put it on both your accounts so that you might get it sooner.

See yas!

Actually, you didn't include BazookaJoe. I put him in shortly before removing the list. The reason I took it out is that it's so subjective. What makes a user notable? That list could have easily been four times as long. I decided that it would be better not to have it at all. As something of a compromise, I inserted a link that pointed to the list of sysops (even though I know that not all of the sysops are active). — It's dot com 21:20, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I can understand that. THanks for the reply.--Image:Homsar-in-motion.gifhr.pngΨHomsarΨroksΨImage:kookysig.gifImage:Cheat-shrug-tiny.gif 22:07, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] We need the "Recent Changes" notice to be at the top of every page.

Yeah. Not everybody checks that. --Da M-izz-uTizzalk 19:13, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Why do you need a sitenotice? People who don't check the recent changes just won't find out. — It's dot com 19:16, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
So it's not really that big of a deal? --Da M-izz-uTizzalk 19:18, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Personally, I'd recommend putting the notice, or something like it, on the Main Page. This is big news, and there are a lot of fans who may not find out because they don't have accounts, don't check their user pages, Watchlist or Recent Changes, etc. — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 19:22, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Yeah. --Da M-izz-uTizzalk 19:48, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
People who visit the wiki on such an informal basis as you describe are not likely to have the same feelings towards the situation as regular and power users like us. These types of users are the ones the current message is directed towards. We've added it to the historical record of events, but we will not add it to the current updates if The Brothers Chaps don't mention it on H*R.com. The general community can find out through the Don Chapman article, as well as various other mentions throughout several articles. Death is a touchy subject, especially when it effects our heroes. The Admins are treating this with the utmost discretion, please respect our decisions and the feelings of the Chapman family. Thanks. -- Tom 19:58, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Appropriate Username

I have a question about the user Old timey Strong Bad. Is that username appropriate, because I think it isn't really due to the similarity to Old-Timey Strong Bad. Lopp3 (Talk | contribs) 21:35, 26 April 2006 (left unsigned)

Our general prohibition against using the name of a character only seems to extend to the main characters. Secondary or variant characters are generally okay. — It's dot com 21:40, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Poughwhatsie?

Actually, that's what I thought when that addition showed up a few days ago. It seemed like completely random trivia until I looked down at the context; "Poughkeepsie" is the destination in Homestar's word problem about trains entering tunnels. I guess this addition was an attempt to explain its significance (otherwise, why should two guys in Atlanta choose it aside from the funny-sounding name?). But if it's reinstated, it would need some rewrite to explain that (so the reader doesn't have to do the same thing I did). —AbdiViklas 05:07, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Meh, I don't see the point of including all that info, especially if there's any kind of link that can be clicked. It's barely mentioned in the toon. — It's dot com 05:13, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Patrolling

Perhaps you can clear something up for me? Are all users allowed/encouraged to patroll recent changes, or only those who have committed to the official "recent changes patrol"? Point7Q 03:07, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

It's not necessary to sign up (although it's nice to know who has committed to the work). I never patrol an edit unless I am pretty sure of (1) the overall content of the article, (2) the intent of the editor, and (3) whether or not the edit is good for the article. (Vandal edits still get marked as patrolled, but the article is immediately reverted. Likewise, edits that add incorrect information are either reverted or reworked as the situation warrants. By marking an edit as patrolled, I am saying either that an edit was good or that I'll fix it.) Hope that helps! — It's dot com 03:16, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
It does. Someday I may sign up for the patrol, but I think I want to observe for a while first. I'm still really new at determining the validity of edits, as my [recent adventure] with STUFF demonstrates. Point7Q 03:21, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

As you might have already noticed, I have finally joined up. However, patrolling has brought a new question: What standards do you use for the Talk pages? I assume they still need to be patrolled, but is that just to watch for cursing, flaming and the like? - Point7Q 03:35, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recent change of the template that says "do not create this page"

Absolutely brilliant. I had tried to edit the weather in london before, and it had the normal template. Now it's completely redone, including hatred by Strong Bad. Dot com, you truly do rock. — Seriously (Talk) 01:03, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, now I get it. There's a template for each one. Both are really funny, actually. Great job. — Seriously (Talk) 01:05, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User page

Are we allowed to have Wikipedia links on our userpages? AlliterativeAssociate 18:25, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, yes. Check my page for a lot of them. --DorianGray
See also HRWiki:User space for restrictions and conditions. — It's dot com 18:30, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
OK, thanks. I wasn't sure if maybe it causes a problem, like there being offensive content on Wikipedia articles (vandalism or not) that HRWiki can't do anything about. Well then, going to add my links... AlliterativeAssociate 18:34, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] When STUFF gets contradicted...

Hi, It's dot com. Here's a question that's been on my mind for a very, very long time (4 months):

What happens if we decline a STUFFed reference, thinking that it's unlikely, but then it turns out it was a reference after all? Say, for example, and I'm not saying that it is (even though I admit voting in favor), Happy Trogday WAS a homage to All Your Base, and that it is confirmed by TBC themselves on, say, the DVD commentary? – The Chort 18:31, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, we just write a nice letter to TBC explaining how they must be mistaken. Once we vote here, that's the end of it. :) Actually, this has happened several times (none springs to mind right this second, but I'm sure someone will list an example here shortly). In cases like that, we simply overturn our vote and note that TBC said so. — It's dot com 18:33, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
I haven't yet looked it up, but I believe that "Ryan S." from theme park was such an example. You're welcome. :D --Jay o'Lantern (Haunt) 18:38, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Here is the one example of which I'm aware. And concerning AYB: Even though I voted to decline, I have always felt it was possible that fact was correct, and will not be surprised if we do have to un-decline it (nor will I be surprised if we don't). Heimstern Läufer 18:39, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thatkidsysop

Do you think you could make Thatkidsam a sysop on the Fanstuff Wiki? There's been a concensus for him to be added to the team. (I actually posted this on the official forum's admin thread a little while ago, but it's been hours without a response and there's already a bit of excitement on the wiki.) - Joshua 19:22, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

No wait. Lets make a discussion about this.--H*bad 19:38, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

No problem. For some reason that forum wasn't showing as having new messages for me. I know what it's like to be offered a promotion and then have to wait and wait for it to go through (in my case, the whole wiki was locked down for the server move). So I will not tell you to keep your pants on, for real. ;) H*bad, this talk page is not the right venue for a discussion on the promotion. In fact, simply by Joshua's posting here I assume that all the necessary discussion has already taken place. — It's dot com 20:05, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. The reason was only because I was just wondering about it. Thats all.--H*bad 22:35, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bad wording...

Hey Dot com. I was wondering about your accually typing the word (A good way of saying it) whatsit on a page. I know you already know this, but there are little kids on here. Can you reword it, please?--H*Bad 04:45, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

No, I'm not going to reword it. There is a difference between using a word and referring to a word as a word. Assuming that the user doesn't already know what his name means, then there would be no way to explain to him what the problem is without resorting to pedantic euphemism or a click-through, both of which are unnecessary given that (1) we should be mature enough to calmly discuss any subject, (2) the whole name itself is already as offensive as or more offensive than its components, and (3) the likelihood that a random user will find that page is close to zero. If it makes you feel better, I'll put a language warning there. — It's dot com 00:11, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I was just making sure that everything is G or Pg rated here.--H*Bad 18:19, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Marshie Face

Both a little creepy

Okay, you win. I hadn't compared them side-by-side and was going solely by memory. They DO, after all, have a similar artistic style, even though I can now see that I was wrong in thinking they were the same. --Jay o'Lantern (Haunt) 22:09, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Cool. — It's dot com 22:16, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Olsen Twin'd!!

How did you know that the pictures in Teen Girl Squad 11 came from that M magazine? SaltyTalk! 01:20, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, I have to admit that I'm a big Mary-Kate and Ashley fan (Ash is my fave), and I've had a subscription to M since I was a twelve-years-old boy. — It's dot com 01:29, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Nice. Trey56 03:52, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quick reference guide

Ok, this has been bothering me for a while, why on the STUFF instructions page is the words quick reference guide, in red?--H*Bad 03:43, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

It's not red; it's kind of a goldish color. It's a different color so that it will stand out. — It's dot com 03:46, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Really? It really looks bold red. Not even close to a goldish colourcolor. Weird.--H*Bad 03:18, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it is a reddish-gold color, but not as red as a broken link.It's dot com 03:32, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Guitar riff from "Personal favorites"

I noticed that the QotW page lacks the sound file for the "Wicked Guitar Solo". I have a copy of that file lurking here, though the file upload page seems to want images, so I figured I'd better not chance it. Any suggestions?

Thanks!

--Ian.

Hi there Ian. Please email the file to tom@hrwiki.org. Thanks. -- Tom 19:38, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No fan of zeugma?

Aw, I loved that line... Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 00:33, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I am a fan of zeugma, but not when it seems unintentional. My personal fave: "Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana" (Groucho Marx). Close runner-up: "You held your breath and the door for me" (Alanis Morissette). — It's dot com 00:37, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Or the classic "If we do not hang together, we shall certainly hang separately." Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 00:40, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1 Username

Ok, I was looking through the system messages when one of them caught my eye, it said: "Sorry, you have already created $1 accounts. You can't make any more." is it possible to make the number a 1. So that there can't be anymore sockpuppets or something like that.--H*Bad 05:41, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I know that there is an option that will let you set the amount of accounts in one day, so why not have you and/or Tom turn on the option everyday?--H*Bad 18:57, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Because this isn't that important to me personally. If you think this is something the entire wiki should consider, then you should bring it up in Da Basement. — It's dot com 20:16, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Update Icons

It's dot com, I noticed a bit of some messy whitespace on the edges of two of the Main Page update icons (Image:update-cs.png and Image:update-ps.png). They look fine when they're situated at the top of the Main Page, where the gradient is lighter, but as you add more saturation to the background, the white edges really start to come through. Take a look toward the bottom of the Main Page to see what I mean. Anyways, I went ahead and tried to clean them up for you a bit, but unfortunately I was unable to upload new versions, since they're both set as protected pages. (As an aside: why are they set as protected pages in the first place?) The versions I made might look rougher on a purely white backdrop, but I think they blend pretty nicely on the gradient background on the main page, comparatively speaking. So here they are, use them if you like:

  • updatepsqm5.png
  • updatecsej0.png

--Soapergem Talk.png Contrib.png 00:12, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

The problem with the images you made is that they use an 8-bit transparency, which is currently not recognized by Internet Explorer. Enough of our readership still uses IE that we have to go with the older 1-bit transparency. Thanks for trying, though! The images are protected because they are on the main page, and otherwise it would very easy for someone to upload something very objectionable in their place. — It's dot com 00:30, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] poll

Sorry it the poll is not quite what you were looking for. Let me know if I can help in any way. I R F 20:31, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Sure thing. As Loafing just pointed out, it's still early for a poll. I feel that there are more ideas and discussion to be had first. Also, I don't think we need to have all 21 or whatever the number is now be included in the eventual poll. Just the best finalists. By the way, I do agree that we need to start organizing the page, and possibly start a new page at, oh, say, HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006 or something. — It's dot com 20:35, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
If we are still that early I might make a few of my own then. I usually say that and get busy with the family but for something like this I might just carve out some weekend time. I R F 20:39, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
also you might want to put a note after Lapper's comments so that others don't take their cue from him like I did. I R F 20:47, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sticklyman = Poopsmith 20X6?

You mentioned in one of your edit summaries that you would divulge any evidence that Sticklyman is the Poopsmith's 20X6 counterpart, but I can't find your answer. Does the commentary of "Under Construction" shed any light on the subject? Strong Sader 20:55, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Alas, it does not seem like Sticklyman and the Poopsmith are related in any way. They mentioned a couple of other generic references (under-construction icons in general; fighting stick-men in animé), but no mention of everyone's second-favorite guy (he's No. 2). — It's dot com 21:07, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
That sucks. Strong Sader 21:12, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A History - logo

Hey It's dot com, for this edit, was this discussed on the wiki on IRC? Either way, I think it would be good nugget of history if we knew when the discussions began in their most primative forms. I R F 17:02, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

IRC. And it wasn't anything really concrete, just vague musings. — It's dot com 20:37, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] duplicate accounts

Hey. I noticed that the user account Rico crazy? was created on 12/20/06 and Rico*crazy? was creadted on 12/21/06. Is this the same person? If so, where do we state that people can only have one account? I R F 17:55, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

On the one hand, duplicate accounts like that are not allowed, but on the other hand, we usually don't mess with trying to fix it unless there's some good reason. It seems to me (without actually looking anything up) that accounts like those don't tend to have many contribs, so it's not worth bothering over. — It's dot com 18:51, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Logo redo

Hey, If you made the new logo on Flash, may I see the .fla file? Im makning a new logo for the Fanstuff (most likely only used for my monobook), but I cant just get it correct. ‪‪‪X66x6615px-X66x66.png

I didn't use Flash. The logo was made using a raster, rather than a vector, process. — It's dot com 22:49, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Whats a raster? And if it isnt too much to ask, could you make a redone Fanstuff logo?--‪‪‪X66x6615px-X66x66.png 22:52, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
A raster image, also called a bitmap, is an image formed by a grid of pixels (rather than a mathematical formula). JPEGs, GIFs, PNGs, and TIFFs are all examples of raster formats. — It's dot com 22:58, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Ooohh did you use Photoshop or one of those art programs and if you dont want to make a redone fanstuff logo, thats ok with me and I'll understand!‪‪‪X66x6615px-X66x66.png

What program did you use?--‪‪‪X66x6615px-X66x66.png 20:25, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Photoshop. — It's dot com 20:47, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Then how do you make it animated?--‪‪‪X66x6615px-X66x66.png 20:55, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Using two frames in an animated GIF. — It's dot com 20:57, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the tips! ‪‪‪X66x6615px-X66x66.png 20:58, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry

I'm sorry Dot Com! I'll wait for a concensus. I was just doing what Qermaq suggested. Also, I thought I did address your points on the talk page, but I guess I didn't do a very good job of it. Okay, no more literary present edits! (Sorry again!) kai lyn 17:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

There's really no need to apologize (especially not three times). As I write this, I have the last post in that thread, so I'm not sure where you addressed my points. The addition you made to the project page is not the way we currently write, and therefore we need to get a lot more input (and perhaps hash out the wording) on the talk page before any changes are made to the project page. (On the other hand, if all you want to do is enunciate what we already do, then that can be easily added—but we need to figure out what that is.) All in all, keep on tranglin'. — It's dot com 18:01, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trendy Totebag's Nintendo Thing

Does that count as a guestbook? Sorry for signing it; I really didn't know. Also, you probably should've asked him before you deleted a whole section on his userpage. Even though it probably needs to go, he needs to delete it himself. -Brightstar Shiner 03:43, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it counts as a corollary to a guestbook. Just so you know, I did exactly what I should have done. According to our user space policy, users, especially administrators, can edit another's user page "to bring it in line with policy," which is what I was doing. It is true that in most cases, a talk page note is preferred; however, the user in question is no longer active, and the mere fact that you signed the list showed that it needed to be removed. Talk atcha later. — It's dot com 04:10, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry. If I see anymore guestbooks, I'll report them at Da Basement or something. I assume only admins/sysops are allowed to delete guestbooks, so I won't delete them myself. Anyways, see you later! -Brightstar Shiner 21:50, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Look! The Doc Agees With Me

You don't understand t5hat article, do you!!!!!!!!! It has all the features it should have!!!!! Very Angry, User talk:Sam the Man Sam the Man P.S. Your off my cool peeps list.

Dear Sam. When someone nominates an article for deletion, and the article describes something very small within the entire Homestar Runner body of work, then we have a discussion about whether to keep it. You, as the creator of the article, should not remove the TBD notice until some time has passed and several people have had a chance to weigh in. The fact that one other user agrees with you does not mean that there is a consensus for the article to stay. I personally don't have a strong opinion either way; I'm just trying to make sure we follow the correct procedure. Let me caution you against editing the wiki while you are angry, by the way. — It's dot com 20:04, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plan G

If you don't want me to delete Email Intros, please comment on my suggestion on how to revise it. Bad Bad Guy 20:03, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

There is no reason to delete or merge that article; it describes a specific, separate feature. On the other hand, if you can make it into a better article, then by all means do so. — It's dot com 22:15, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] April fools

who was in charge of the main page and image code thing? Is there any other April fools stuff I missed? You should check out what I did. It took me almost all day yesterday.User:Homestar-winner 09:39, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More about sysops again

When is the 2007 sysop's nomination? And how can I be a sysop? User talk:Sam the Man Sam the Man

See here, here, here, and most importantly here. — It's dot com 23:15, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Welcoming Committee

What are those things that appear now when a new account is made? And does this mean we won't need a welcoming committee anymore? Homestar-Winner (talk) 21:57, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

See this and then this. The welcoming committee is just as important now as ever, perhaps more, since it requires a little more attentiveness and creativity to make a good welcome. — It's dot com 22:04, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry about behaving-like-a-jerkism

Umm, hey. I didn't mean to be a jerk about either of these. And don't feel like I'm being predatory or anything, it happens all the time and I always want to give articles and stuff a chance. I know, it sucks to see your brain child get shot down. Maybe we can make it work. Anyway, I didn't mean to be nasty bow dat. · · T2|Things 00:31, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] replacement

Hey It's dot com. I was wondering, why did you make a subpage that is almost identicle to replacement? And is there any specific reason you chose that email? I'm not telling you to delete it though. I'm just curious. And by the way, I hope what I put in the Sandbox the other day didn't affend you or anything. I just wanted to make up funny ideas for reasons someone would block someone else, and you're like the most important sysop here to me.
Eat a Steak! Homestar-Winner (talk) 19:36, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

That page is for testing a proposed infobox format, one that didn't quite catch on. Feel free to read its talk page for more information. I'm not sure why I picked replacement (maybe because the infobox would replace the current format? That's kind of a lame guess, but it's the best I've got). — It's dot com 20:18, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Order!

I've been making a lot of revisions to the alternate universe article lately (as you've probably noticed, seein' as how you're a recent changes junkie, according to your user page), and I've noticed that the Fun Facts aren't in any apparent order. Maybe my subconscious just made this up to confuse me, but don't they go in order according to the portion of the email they refer to, from first to last? Also, I was wondering about the validity of the "Senor Cardgage's legs" goof (in the same email). I can clearly see his right leg past Keyboard Strong Bad, and I'm pretty sure the only reason his left leg isn't visible is because it's obscured by his glove. Perhaps it's a fixed goof...? ~That Guy Over There (User talk:That Guy Over There) 03:54, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

In general, yes, fun facts are supposed to be presented in the order the things they refer to appear in the toon. This is just a guideline, though, so as long as it's kinda close, it doesn't have to be exact. In other words, it's not worth fixing unless it greatly improves the readability of the section. As for your specific comments regarding Senor, I'm not familiar with that. Perhaps try bringing it up on the talk page of the toon. Cheers! — It's dot com 04:07, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I just thought that while I was asking about the page I'd see what you knew about it. ~That Guy Over There (User talk:That Guy Over There) 04:42, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Things to Do?

Hi again, Dot Com. I haven't been making many important edits to real pages (meaning not user talk pages) recently and I was wondering: Is there anything on the wiki that you or another sysop needs help with? I will try to help out with anything that I can. Sincerely, Homestar-Winner (talk) 01:33, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, there's not just a whole lot to do during the baby break. As always, however, you can head over to The Stick for some ideas. — It's dot com 01:43, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Where would we have it?

Regarding this edit summary, where exactly would we have it? The first page that came to my mind was Talk:Swears, because it has a language warning already, but if you can think of something better, or if you don't think we should have it (the vibe I got from the edit summary is that you agreed we needed to have it, but I'm not a psychology expert), tell me. --Mario2.PNG Super Martyo boing! 03:45, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Patience. We already have something in the works. — It's dot com 03:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nice Jorb on the Stinko Comic Strip Image

I really liked your take on it, making it "informational" on how to create one. Very well done, showing off the features. I was thinking about doing that earlier, but I didn't have time. Still, very nice. Shows all the cool things you can do and different backgrounds that can be used.--Image:Stinkwing.gif »Bleed0range« 05:27, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clarification on Pseudocharacters

My understanding was that pseudocharacters were never added to the cast lists, yet you readded Wagon Fulla Pancakes to montage with a note saying that when they act as a character they are in the cast list. I looked all over the Wiki for something to back this up, and the best I could find was HRWiki:Da_Basement/Archive_2#Problems to cover this issue. Is there a hard fast rule about this situation, or is it a judgement call by the sysops for each toon? Does this need to be documented somewhere? wbwolf (t | ed) 04:13, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

To quote myself from Category talk:Pseudocharacters, I guess it depends on whether each one is more pseudo or more character. If a pseudocharacter behaves like a character (as, say, The Paper in the paper), then it should be listed in the cast just like any other character. Whenever it's just an object (as in almost all the other emails), it should not be in the cast. — It's dot com 04:47, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Missy's B-day Card cont'd (from here)

Hey Dot Com,

I R F suggested that I talk to a sysop if I want to get together a Birthday card for Missy. Since sysops only have access to TBC's mailing address, I figured I'd talk to you if I wanted to get involved. I just feel like I'm dead weight on the site right now, and really want to do something.
Homestarmy Commando1 23:05, 22 October 2007

Before I talk about this idea specifically, let me suggest that if you're looking for something to do there are a lot of projects (see HRWiki:The Stick) that are more practical than this. As for a card for Missy (do we even know her birthday?), anything being sent on behalf of the wiki would have to go through an administrator (Joey, Tom, or me), not just a sysop. In other words, someone would have to send it to one of us and we'd then forward it. — It's dot com 00:14, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

For more on this subject, see HRWiki:Da Basement#Birthday cards for TBC et al.

[edit] Seriously

Your most recent edit on Seriously reverted a lot more than just what your edit summary explained. Either you were editing a past version of the page and didn't notice all these changes, or you had a reason for removing all that other info and just didn't put it in your edit summary. In case the second case is true, I didn't do a (partial) revert. OptimisticFool 17:21, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I guess I edited the wrong version in the history. It should be correct now. Thanks for pointing that out. — It's dot com 17:36, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Forte font

I realize you had a certain motivation to revert Image:Forte.png to how it was.. however, it is only used once in that way and it was even modified from how it was actually used by TBC. And it shows less unique letters than the more common use as it appears on name tags. Having given no reason for the revert, my immediate assumption is that you did it for selfish reasons. Here is my plea for you to listen to reason and allow the improvement. OptimisticFool 23:05, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I have a vested interest in one version over another, whereas I doubt you do. Since the font shown is Forte, then there's no real reason to change it from the image that it's been for nearly two years now. — It's dot com 23:23, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
What does one do when there's an error for two years? Surely that's not a cogent reply. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 00:52, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
The apostrophe was discussed and settled on years ago. The image shows the font Forte just fine. — It's dot com 00:56, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Duck Guardian and TROGDOR! Wii mirrors.

Hey It's dot com, you might have heard of this plan, and Tom might be busy right now, so I'm asking you, could you upload and mirror those 2 Wii games? I have the flash files so it's ready to go. You can download them here. --Darkangel Get offa me! 05:11, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Looks like Tom took care of it. — It's dot com 21:30, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Favicon

Hey, Dot Com. Since you happen to be around right now, I would like your opinion on something. During the logo discussion a year or so ago, the issue of changing the favicon came up. Since then, this has fallen into the shadows. I posted a comment on HRWiki talk:Favicon two days ago, asking if we should be handing this, but have not gotten a response yet. If you would read my post there and tell me if you think it's worth going through with (either here, there, or on my talk page), that would be great. And btw, I know it's 1:00 and I'm not in school. I'm sick to my stomach, which stinks because I have a concert tonight. Crap. -Brightstar Shiner 17:04, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Dot Com? I'm not sure if you noticed this message or not, but I'd appreciate your opinion on the Favicon article. A few people have replied, but what that project needs is a truly seasoned user to get the ball rolling in the right direction. And btw, I'm a bit better now. I had to miss the concert and my voice sounds like it's been dragged through gravel from all my coughing, but who needs to talk when we have keyboards? ^_^ Thanks for your time, -Brightstar Shiner 23:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Hello, It's Brightstar again. Some other users and I have noticed that the favicon has been changed twice, and not to ones we all agreed on. While I see that testing out the possibilities is a good thing, we still don't know who did it or exactly why. E.L. Cool thinks you might have, since you're currently the only admin who commented in that discussion. Did you? -Brightstar Shiner 21:35, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm aware of the favicon discussion. I haven't forgotten it in the year and a half we've been talking about it; I just haven't gotten my thoughts together to post on that page yet. BTW, if I don't reply immediately to a post on this page, then please try a different method (IRC works great, if you're wondering; send a PM to Dot_com) rather than double- or triple-posting here. (On occasion, it's taken me over two years to reply to messages here.) If anything ever happens to the look and feel of the entire site, you can confidently bet a million lbs. of candy that I did it. — It's dot com 22:06, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry. I'm not trying to pester you or anything, but some of this stuff (like changing the favicon) is rather urgent and I want you to know about it. I tend to be on IRC a lot these days, but I'm still pretty new at it and, thus, don't know how to send a PM to anybody, especially to one who doesn't appear on the list of users in the chat room. I know you're a busy person, and I'm feeling more humiliated the more I type, but I just needed to know who changed the favicon and why. I guess you did, and it was a test, but if you would, please say something on the HRWiki:Favicon page about testing more options before you freak me out again. Thanks, -Brightstar Shiner 22:21, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
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